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Your review is pretty much in agreement with another one I read, Patrick.  The other reviewer nodded off a couple of times.  It sounds like it actually avoids the legendary aspects of the story, going for a drab, dreary "historical" look.  I'd rather have the stuff of legend.

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*** Official ROBIN HOOD Discussion Thread

It's my understanding that this is meant to be a "prequel" to the usual Robin Hood story of legend. That's why it misses all of the familiar trappings of the Robin Hood story. The story here is supposed to be the events that led to him later becoming "Robin of the Hood."

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*** Official ROBIN HOOD Discussion Thread

 

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“I really don’t mean any disrespect to the makers of the film or to Kevin,” Crowe says, “but you look back at Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves and it’s like watching an extended Jon Bon Jovi video.

“Those hairdos, and those costumes,” he adds obviously thinking of Costner’s ­luscious locks as he walked through sun-dappled Sherwood Forest to Bryan Adams’ song Everything I Do.
 
“My favourite Robin Hood? The Disney fox. He could actually act. As for whether I’ve got it right, you can’t say because it’s all made up in the first place”, he says bluntly.

 

 

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Sienna Miller was lined up to play Maid Marion but was replaced at the last minute by Cate Blanchett.

 

“Look, Sienna would have been great,” he says. “Every actor brings their own stuff. But I think Sienna is too young. Not that it was my fault. It wasn’t my call. It’s more that I’m too old and fat. But Cate brings something else.

 

“The way we have changed the ­character, we really needed somebody who was going to be resilient in the face of all these things that are going on. And Cate is superb in this film. She was ­excellent to work with and a great ­partner in crime.”

 

 

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He says he would only move to Los Angeles “if Australia and New Zealand were swallowed by a huge tidal wave, if there was a bubonic plague in Europe and if the continent of Africa disappeared from some Martian attack”.

 

He’s not one to mince his words is Russell, but he has mellowed in the five years since he was arrested then ­conditionally released for beating up a New York hotel employee... with a ­telephone.

 

“It was a dumb response,” he says. “I can beat myself up about it and I can be regretful, which I am. But all you can do is shrug your shoulders.”

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2010/05/16/russell-crowe-kevin-costner-s-prince-of-thieves-was-like-a-long-bon-jovi-video-115875-22260984/

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*** Official ROBIN HOOD Discussion Thread

Yep he's mellowed alright -

 

 

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Stroppin' Hood
 
 
SWEARING RUSSELL CROWE stormed out of a BBC interview after he was accused of making Robin Hood sound IRISH in his new film.

The New Zealander was being quizzed on Radio 4 about his dodgy Sherwood Forest accent when he lost his rag and yelled: "Bollocks!"
 
Russell-Crowe-Robin-Hood.jpg

Cursing Crowe, 46, flipped when interviewer MARK LAWSON suggested "hints" of Irish in his portrayal of the Nottingham legend - and asked the Hollywood hellraiser why.

The Gladiator star raged: "You've got dead ears mate - seriously dead ears if you think that's an Irish accent."

Lawson - in an interview for Front Row recorded at London's Dorchester Hotel - asked him if the accent was meant to be northern.

The actor snarled before flouncing off: "No I was going for an Italian... missed it? F*** me."
 
 
post #5 of 29
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*** Official ROBIN HOOD Discussion Thread

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Originally Posted by Malcolm R View Post

It's my understanding that this is meant to be a "prequel" to the usual Robin Hood story of legend. That's why it misses all of the familiar trappings of the Robin Hood story. The story here is supposed to be the events that led to him later becoming "Robin of the Hood."


In my view, if you're going to call a movie "Robin Hood", then you'd damn well better give movie goers exactly that--Robin Hood, instead of some revisionist take.

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post #7 of 29

Y'know the Costner version always gets dumped on, but it was far more entertaining (not only Rickman but Morgan Freeman was solid) and far more "Robin Hood-ey" than this version. The score was also very good for the Costner film (this one wasn't bad, but not really memorable). 

 

I think they basically ended up making a watered-down, duller version of Gladiator with Russell Crowe playing basically the exact same character (Maximus, not Robin Hood). 

 

They did add some new twists to the story sure ... but it just seemed like they borrowed most of those new elements from movies like Gladiator, Troy, and Braveheart and purposely stayed away from more familiar aspects of the Robin Hood legend. 

 

post #8 of 29

I listened to the radio clip. If that is what the British call a "flip out" then all I can do is laugh. He hardly so much as raised his voice when he said "bollocks" and the "I was going for Italian" line was hardly snarled out. Actually, I thought the reviewer was just being a moron when he brought up the unrelated subject of "Gladiator". You could gather that he was just trying to bait Crowe. Crowe left because there was no longer any point in talking to the idiot.

 

I got a laugh when Crowe said his favourite Robin Hood was the Disney fox. It was even funnier when he said at least he could act, especially when a person looks at it in comparison to Kevin Costner. Crowe hit that one right on the head.

 

I'll probably just wait until this one hits Blu-ray, since it doesn't seem to be much of a Robin Hood movie.

post #9 of 29

It's not like the "how did he become Robin Hood" story really needed to be told - that was covered in Prince of Thieves, and more satisfactorily.

 

BTW, those French landing craft were something else. Like a medieval D-Day. I half expected Tom Hanks to jump out & start lobbing grenades at the emplaced archers.

post #10 of 29

This is a hilarious recap of the film:

 

http://meaninglesscomics.com/comics/2010-05-17-ROBINHOOD.jpg

post #11 of 29

Hoho that BBC interviewer should have asked Crowe about the WWII landing craft before he left! Hmmm do interviewers really have fun with Crowe and hope he loses it? Maybe.

 

So this film should have been called "Robin Longstride"? But would audiences queue up to see a film called Robin Longstride?

 

 

 

Yeah I think I'll wait for the DVD, sorry, Blu-ray.

post #12 of 29

I don't know about Robin Hood, but the best Friar Tuck by a landslide was Porky Pig.

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This is a hilarious recap of the film:

 

http://meaninglesscomics.com/comics/2010-05-17-ROBINHOOD.jpg



THAT is hilarious!  So accurate.  Sad that the comic strip was more entertaining than the whole film!

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This is a hilarious recap of the film:

 

http://meaninglesscomics.com/comics/2010-05-17-ROBINHOOD.jpg


OMG I had an idea it was pretty bad, but I had no idea it was THAT dumb and devoid of any real connection to Robin Hood.

post #15 of 29

So where's Ron-P's review? He was the biggest cheerleader for this film based on the trailers.

post #16 of 29

You might have to wait for it to be out on Blu. From a trailer stand point it looked fantastic but I have yet to read a positive review of the film so I highly doubt I'll dump $10 to see this.I never see films within their first opening week, I wait for the crowds to die first which also allows me time to read up on a film.

 

Usually with films like this I put aside bad reviews and go but this is just getting so dumped on I'll wait.

post #17 of 29

It's really not a terrible movie ... it's just not a very good Robin Hood movie. 

post #18 of 29
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Seems like something akin to false advertising.

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Think of it sorta of as like Gladiator 2 ... only if Maximus was reincarnated into 13th century England with a duller/less interesting plot and a less villianous adversary. And a lesser score. And a more pedestrian romance. And not as many cool action scenes. And not as many memorable characters. And a female lead (Cate Blanchett is can't miss) who is woefully miscast. And ... well you get the point. 

 

And yes, Crowe is a better actor than Costner (though for a guy who did Field of Dreams, Bull Durham, Dances With Wolves, etc. etc. he sure seems to get no respect, lol) .... but honestly I'll take Costner in his interpretation over what Crowe and Ridley came up with any day of the week. 

 

Costner may have completely missed the boat with the terrible accent, but he got most everything else right. Crowe misses the mark on everything including the "Irish" accent (lol). Though you can't really fault him with the script I guess. 


Edited by Pete-D - 5/20/10 at 3:35am
post #20 of 29

Haven't seen the movie and doubt I will, but found this article very interesting.  It attempts to chronicle the script development for the film, and describes how it went through MASSIVE changes.

 

I love these types of stories.

 

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/05/robin_hood_script_russell_crow.html

post #21 of 29

Sounds like Ridley Scott ruined what could have been an interesting movie. I'll never understand why people attach themselves to projects, then basically throw everything out and start from scratch. If RS wanted to make a Robin Hood film, why didn't he simply create his own original project instead of taking up one already in progress and changing everything?

 

I wonder if anyone would ever be allowed to make the film as originally written? I'd be interested in seeing that film.

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Originally Posted by Jason Charlton View Post

Haven't seen the movie and doubt I will, but found this article very interesting.  It attempts to chronicle the script development for the film, and describes how it went through MASSIVE changes.

 

I love these types of stories.

 

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/05/robin_hood_script_russell_crow.html


That "original" script doesn't sound much better than what we got.  Why the HELL should anyone care about the "misunderstood" sheriff of Nottingham?  Why were they so damn interested in pissing all over the Robin Hood legend?  If this is how today's Hollywood views such stories, they should just leave them the hell alone.

post #23 of 29

Robin Hood is one of those timeless tales, and it seems every generation gets its own interpretation. Sadly, this generation got the short end of the stick.

 

In the pantheon of great films that should never be remade, Michael Curtiz' Adventures of Robin Hood would be right up there for me, along with the original Planet of the Apes and many others. Errol Flynn was perfect in the role, and even more than 70 years later, we compare every actor in the role to him.

 

I was intrigued by Kevin Costner's Robin Hood which promised to bring Raiders of the Lost Ark-style action to the legend, but apart from an exciting opening sequence, the movie lost the momentum. It didn't help that Costner wasn't a great choice for Robin.

 

I find it amazing that with some of the best talent of our time in front of (Crowe, Blanchett) and behind the camera (Scott, Helgeland) that this movie could be such a mess. The problem is, I think, that it betrays its source material, which is never a good idea.

post #24 of 29

I've always thought that "Robin and Marian" was a really good alternate take on the "Robin Hood" character. It only rates a 6.5 on the ImDb scale but, personally, I think it rates at least an eight. The film actually approaches the character from a "realistic" angle, similar to Scott's film. I'd like to see it cleaned up and out on Blu.

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I came to this thread to get a discussion of the movie and instead I see that I’ve entered a Russell Crow bashing party. 

 

The movie was drab? I thought the whole thing was supposed to have happened during the dark ages of Europe just after Europe lost the crusades and just before the black plague took over half of Europe.  How funny can that be?

 

 

Well I guess I leave you to it to have your fun.

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I came to this thread to get a discussion of the movie and instead I see that I’ve entered a Russell Crow bashing party. 

 

The movie was drab? I thought the whole thing was supposed to have happened during the dark ages of Europe just after Europe lost the crusades and just before the black plague took over half of Europe.  How funny can that be?

 

 

Well I guess I leave you to it to have your fun.


Well some of us were disappointed to find that a film titled Robin Hood turned out to be about what "happened during the dark ages of Europe just after Europe lost the crusades and just before the black plague took over half of Europe." And stayed home.

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In April, Scott, who’d directed Crowe in the Best Picture–winning Gladiator, as well as A Good Year and American Gangster, came aboard to direct. [b]Crowe, on a conference call with Imagine, Universal, and his agents, was told that Scott’s involvement would give him a chance to make a sequel to Gladiator — without having to make an actual sequel to Gladiator. At this, Crowe knew he was definitely in.[/b]

 

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/05/robin_hood_script_russell_crow.html

 

And that is precisely where this project went completely off the rails and was doomed. 

 

I like Ridley Scott, but reading that article, I can't help but think this whole project would've been better if he never got involved. 

 

This also reminds me of the Gladiator 2 script that Crowe reportedly wanted to make where Maximus is reincarnated by the gods. Still I don't pin this on him, sounds like he liked the initial "Nottingham" idea, and then Scott kinda hijacked the project until all the fun was sucked out of it. 

post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by Llappin View Post

I came to this thread to get a discussion of the movie and instead I see that I’ve entered a Russell Crow bashing party. 

 

The movie was drab? I thought the whole thing was supposed to have happened during the dark ages of Europe just after Europe lost the crusades and just before the black plague took over half of Europe.  How funny can that be?

 

 

Well I guess I leave you to it to have your fun.


What Russel Crowe bashing party? Most people here have expressed the opinion that this film is just a bad Robin Hood film. Crowe was involved with the filim and the film appears to be a failure, so it is only reasonable that Crowe is going to be held to account for some of its weaknesses. It appears to me that the person with the most responsibility for its failure is Ridley Scott. It sounds to me like he never should have gotten involved with this project, since he basically threw out the entire concept and then managed to come up with this porridge of a film. After reading that article I think that the original concept at least was a fresh take on the Robin Hood story.

post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by Llappin View Post

I came to this thread to get a discussion of the movie and instead I see that I’ve entered a Russell Crow bashing party. 

 

The movie was drab? I thought the whole thing was supposed to have happened during the dark ages of Europe just after Europe lost the crusades and just before the black plague took over half of Europe.  How funny can that be?

 

 

When I see a movie titled “Robin hood”, I expect to see a tale about exactly that—Robin Hood and his band of Merry Men (apparently, you’ve never heard of that phrase), including Little John, Friar Tuck, and all the rest.  Ridley Scott (and apparently, you) may be disinterested in that story (Scott should have stayed the hell away from the character if he was so damn uninterested in the Robin Hood legend), and would rather indulge in a drab, dreary tale of darkness and death, but I’ll take the dashing, romantic, swashbuckling adventurer of legend, thank you.

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