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A few words about...™ Dr. Zhivago -- in Blu-ray

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If you want to find the cinematic roots of David Lean's Dr. Zhivago, you're best to visit Criterion's DVD of his 1946 Great Expectations, still one of the finest representations of Dickens on film.  Once you've viewed it, you'll see where I'm coming from.

Sir David's Dr. Zhivago was,  bar none, his most successful production, both from a financial perspective as well as in overall popularity and accessibility.

The Zhivago that we see today is not the same Zhivago that was released in December of 1965.  In order to qualify for Academy Awards, there was an agreement between DL and M-G-M's Bob O'Brien that after a cut was delivered for release in December, that DL could go in for a re-cut and re-dub.  That is precisely what occurred.  During the first few months of 1966, while the film was in limited 70mm (blow-up) release, it went through a fine cut, with new 70mm reels being delivered to the affected theatres weekly.

While I don't have a count of 70mm prints struck in 1965 - 66 at hand, the number was not insignificant.  Each print was struck from the original 35mm A & B rolls.  Taking into account both the original as well as the re-cut,  the OCNs of many reels had twice the runs on them.  The original negative, as it now exists, is in far less than stellar condition.  Over the past couple of decades there have been abortive rescue attempts at best.  But finally Warner Bros. has seen fit to properly digitally restore the film, bringing together the best of the surviving pieces of film.

What all of this means to the Blu-ray is that virtually everything that could be done to promote a high quality final result, has been done.  MPI colorist Janet Walker has use a unique original print as a source of color and density, and has created a final product that appears dead on.

The image has been cleaned, and now appears much as it did in 1965.

The final result is gorgeous.

For transparency, I'll note a couple of minor points on the downside.

For whatever reason, the main title sequence is out of focus in the center.  There is a bit of occasional awkward dialogue that verges on unintelligible, and there are occasional phasing problems with the audio.  None of this is going to take the normal viewer out of the experience.

To my mind, David Lean's film of Dr. Zhivago is one of the greats.

Warner Bros. has done their job in restoring and preserving his work, and the resultant Blu-ray disc is nothing less than gorgeous.  DL never forgot the fact that the film had been shot in 35, as opposed to 65mm, and wished that it had been otherwise.  But even in 35mm, Zhivago, as photographed by the incomparable Freddie Young with some equally gorgeous sequences by Nicolas Roeg (inclusive of funeral early in the film), was shot fully exposed.  Consequently, blow-ups to 70mm, projected on huge screens, held up beautifully.  The same can be said of the Blu-ray.

Zhivago will be one of the most important classic releases on Blu-ray in 2010, and should be a part of any serious library.

Very Highly Recommended.

RAH

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post #2 of 145
For me this is an automatic purchase.

I'm delighted that the quality of this Blu-ray disc is so good because, quite apart from the joy of being able to see this movie in the best way possible, it sets the bar high for Sony as and when they issue The Bridge On The River Kwai and Lawrence Of Arabia on Blu-ray.
post #3 of 145
One of my favorite films. I cannot wait to own i!
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I saw a dcp of this 8k restoration a few weeks ago and was less than impressed. Let me clarify that, it looks better than it has ever looked, but there is still some awful blue haloing around dark objects when they are against a light background, as if the darker parts of the image had shrunk on the neg. There was the out of focus center on the opening credits but what was most startling was that while watching the opening titles, the image was so much better that I began to be aware of the light source used (on the animation stand?) for the creation of those titles. What I mean is that I could almost see the title cels lifting up in parts and creating shadows. That is obviously the very nature of the negative and I've no problem with that, but the haloing is unpleasant. There may be no way to fix that, as of yet.

Zhivago is a magnificent paring down of a novel that is sheer agony to read. Even Lean felt the story was second rate, but felt that it could yield great visuals. It is one of his greatest examples of what I call Visual Poetry, stretching back to Great Expectations and especially Oliver Twist.
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I saw a dcp of this 8k restoration a few weeks ago and was less than impressed. Let me clarify that, it looks better than it has ever looked, but there is still some awful blue haloing around dark objects when they are against a light background, as if the darker parts of the image had shrunk on the neg. There was the out of focus center on the opening credits but what was most startling was that while watching the opening titles, the image was so much better that I began to be aware of the light source used (on the animation stand?) for the creation of those titles. What I mean is that I could almost see the title cels lifting up in parts and creating shadows. That is obviously the very nature of the negative and I've no problem with that, but the haloing is unpleasant. There may be no way to fix that, as of yet.

Zhivago is a magnificent paring down of a novel that is sheer agony to read. Even Lean felt the story was second rate, but felt that it could yield great visuals. It is one of his greatest examples of what I call Visual Poetry, stretching back to Great Expectations and especially Oliver Twist.

I'm unaware of anything being performed here in 8k, nor would there be a need.  As to "halos," these are most likely the byproduct of protection masters standing in for OCN.

RAH
post #6 of 145
Yes, it was an employee screening at Warners in their lovely theatre, not projected in 8k but they told me it was from the 8k scan. I wondered why 8k but let it pass and watched the movie.
post #7 of 145
i have been able to get my hands on an advance copy of this superb film and I echo Robert Harris's comments.. The whole presentation is nothing short of superb.. Hats of to WB for their sterling efforts!
I really hope that LAWRENCE too gets the same treatment....
post #8 of 145
 I remember seeing the Zhivago when it first opened.  I seemed to recall a sequence where a horse was killed for food when wandering in the frozen cold winter sequence.  I was very young......Was there such a sequence that was subsequently cut?
post #9 of 145
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 I remember seeing the Zhivago when it first opened.  I seemed to recall a sequence where a horse was killed for food when wandering in the frozen cold winter sequence.  I was very young......Was there such a sequence that was subsequently cut?

There was.  You apparently saw the film in its early weeks of release before being re-cut.  It would have been most interesting to have a double disc set of Zhivago, with both the premiere cut as well as the re-cut.

RAH
post #10 of 145
It certainly would. I would love to see that footage. I wonder what condition it's in...
post #11 of 145
As far as Robert's initial comment about the cinematic root's of "Dr. Zhivago", I would recommend viewing both Lean's "Great Expectations" and "Brief Encounter", conveniently available in outstanding Criterion DVD editions.  I always viewed "Zhivago" as a bit of both in, to borrow from Cole Porter, "glorious Technicolor, breathtaking Cinemascope and stereophonic sound".

Regards,
post #12 of 145
For those who'd rather own these films in HD, Brief Encounter and Great Expectations are both available on Blu-ray in the UK.

The picture quality on both is pretty stellar. Great Expectations is region-free, but Brief Encounter is region-locked to "B" only.
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And Oliver Twist, let's not forget his second Dickens masterpiece, if not one of his best creations.

post #14 of 145
I wish I could have seen the original version of Dr. Z! That scene with the horse sounds quite intense. How much longer was the original version?

In any case, I'm looking forward to this film on blu.

Another overlooked film by the great David Lean is Ryan's Daughter. A wonderful film. And I think it was even filmed in 70mm....? Would love to see it on blu, but it wasn't as commercially successful, and so I don't know if the odds are very good....
post #15 of 145
Truth be told, I actually prefer "Ryan's Daughter" to "Dr. Zhivago".

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I wish I could have seen the original version of Dr. Z! That scene with the horse sounds quite intense. How much longer was the original version?

In any case, I'm looking forward to this film on blu.

Another overlooked film by the great David Lean is Ryan's Daughter. A wonderful film. And I think it was even filmed in 70mm....? Would love to see it on blu, but it wasn't as commercially successful, and so I don't know if the odds are very good....
post #16 of 145
Me, too, though the score for Ryan's Daughter is agony. Yes, Ryan's Daughter was shot in 70mm and it is astonishingly beautiful on the big screen. But 3 hours and 26 minutes for such a little story?? Anyway, RD probably contains some of Lean's best Visual Poetry. I've never found Mitchum miscast as others do and Christopher Jones' almost wordless role seems appropriate for such a tortured character. Great stuff, but overblown. Ultimately, I would take the grand subtlety of A Passage to India over all of them any day. But that's just me. :)
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I've only seen Ryan's Daughter once, on vhs about a dozen years ago, but I thought it was captivating. I've forgotten the score. Who wrote it? I love Dr. Z, but Ls theme can get to be a bit much after a while.

And famous reviewer Ken McA even prefers it to Dr. Z~!!  Any chance you'd be willing to tell us why? You're so eloquent in your reviews, which I've really enjoyed....

I actually thought they were both great. I think that all of those last five films are amazing, each in their own ways.

On another site, I heard someone talk about recently seeing a new sample of a print of c. 20 minutes of Ryan that was shown at the Academy theater in Hollywood. This person said that the pq of the new 70mm print was absolutely stunning, and he is someone who is not easily impressed. I think maybe the negative is in pretty good shape because it wasn't used and abused and cut to ribbons so much like the others....
post #18 of 145
The academy ran about a minute long clip of Ryan's daughter in 70mm last summer at their Film Formats through the Ages event.  it was the best looking 70mm clip they ran (and they had a host of them).
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I've only seen Ryan's Daughter once, on vhs about a dozen years ago, but I thought it was captivating. I've forgotten the score. Who wrote it? I love Dr. Z, but Ls theme can get to be a bit much after a while.

 

I enjoyed Ryan's Daughter and really do love the music score by Maurice Jarre, who also wrote the score for Dr. Zhivago, The Longest Day, Lawrence of Arabia, March Or Die, Grand Prix, The Train, and 100's of others.  By the way, Warner's standard DVD is great.

The Oscar winning role for John Mills was perfect for him, but the true star is Freddie Young's cinematography, who was also Director of Photography on Lawrence of Arabia and Dr. Zhivago.  When David Lean knew he had a good thing, he kept it.

Can not wait to sit back and watch Dr. Zhivago.
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Adam S--yes, I think that was it. I guess I just wrongly assumed it was a longer clip. Just one minute!? Which minute was it?
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ahollis: I usually love Jarre's work. Yes, the cinematography of Young is jaw dropping in all of those films. It's the little and big things that are amazing--like crystals in the snow in Dr. Z. I've seen snow like that....

Didn't they wait a year to get that storm for Ryan? Now it would just be cgi...
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ahollis: Yes, I think Mills deserved that award, but I've read at least one brutal critique of his performance and the way the role was written....
post #23 of 145
I'm a sucker for epics, but I always thought that Lean's were the most complex, thought-provoking and beautiful of all the epic films that I can think of. I'm sure there are many individual epics that equal Lean's kind of complexity and beauty, but....has anyone directed 5 films of that kind in a row?
post #24 of 145
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You'll find that DL's "epics" were small, very personal story, wrapped within earth-shaking events. 

Many people didn't come to like Ryan, as they didn't understand what it was.  He felt that with that film, the problem could have been solved with the addition of a single piece of dialogue: "Rosie, you're lookin' at the world through rose-colored glasses."

Can't wait for it to arrive on Blu.  Another brilliant film.

No one has ever done it better.

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And famous reviewer Ken McA even prefers it to Dr. Z~!!  Any chance you'd be willing to tell us why? You're so eloquent in your reviews, which I've really enjoyed....
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I saw both movies long after their initial theatrical releases.  Given its success and reputation, I had exceptionally high expectations for "Dr. Zhivago" and was ultimately disappointed.  The exact opposite was the case with "Ryan's Daughter".  I actually offered up my modestly negative thoughts on Zhivago in a review of the "Essential Classics - Romance" collection from three years ago.  Here's the excerpt:

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Truth be told, I have never been a huge fan of David Lean's "Doctor Zhivago", but I fully acknowledge that there are a lot of people who disagree with me. The epic story of a Russian physician and poet who falls in love with the right woman under all of the wrong circumstances (they are both married and their country is being torn asunder by the Bolshevik revolution) is beautifully written, expertly visualized, and well-acted, but the central relationship between Zhivago (Sharif) and Lara (Christie) just never interests me at any point in the film, robbing it of much of its poignancy. That being said, I certainly do not hate the film, but I find myself only able to admire it from a distance.

In Ryan's Daughter, while there was also arguably not much chemistry between Rosie and the officer played by Jones, I could empathize with why she was unhappy in her marriage moreso than with Zhivago and found the subsequent tragic elements more moving as a result.

Regards,
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ahollis: I usually love Jarre's work. Yes, the cinematography of Young is jaw dropping in all of those films. It's the little and big things that are amazing--like crystals in the snow in Dr. Z. I've seen snow like that....

Didn't they wait a year to get that storm for Ryan? Now it would just be cgi...
 

I had forgotten it, but you are right about them waiting for the storm.  I am not sure CGI would have helped the intensity of the scene.  I might have looked like THE PERFECT STORM which while amazing, it overwhelmed the film.

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I saw both movies long after their initial theatrical releases.  Given its success and reputation, I had exceptionally high expectations for "Dr. Zhivago" and was ultimately disappointed.  The exact opposite was the case with "Ryan's Daughter".  I actually offered up my modestly negative thoughts on Zhivago in a review of the "Essential Classics - Romance" collection from three years ago. 
 

You are right.  When I saw Ryan's Daughter on the screen, the reviews were not the best, so my expectations were much lower and I was captivated by the film and struggle of Sara Mills character.  That is one of the reasons I liked the music in that it portrayed her unhappiness while also giving a glimmer of hope that she was looking for.  While so many people look at Ryan's Daughter as a failure, I put it right up in the top 10 of Lean's film.  I also hope that this film can see a Blu-ray release.

Dr. Zhivago was the first Road Show that I saw and just the presentation puts this film in a special place in my heart.  I did not know what an overture was until I heard this one and I thought something was wrong with the projector and curtains since there was not light on the screen and the curtains remained closed.  What a jaw dropping experience it was when the MGM lion showed and the curtains parted. True showmanship that we rarely see today.  I was hooked and never missed a Road Show from then own, even a bad one in the latter years.
post #28 of 145
Warners did a gorgeous tranfer for Ryan's Daughter several years ago for DVD, so a new one for Blu ray should be stunning. Their 2001, also shot on 70mm, looks amazing.
post #29 of 145
RH wrote: "You'll find that DL's "epics" were small, very personal story, wrapped within earth-shaking events."

This is an excellent capsule summary of what makes his films so impressive, deep, and enjoyable time after time.

24p wrote: "Warners did a gorgeous tranfer for Ryan's Daughter several years ago for DVD, so a new one for Blu ray should be stunning. Their 2001, also shot on 70mm, looks amazing."

Yes! This gives me hope!

ahollis wrote: "You are right.  When I saw Ryan's Daughter on the screen, the reviews were not the best, so my expectations were much lower and I was captivated by the film and struggle of Sara Mills character.  That is one of the reasons I liked the music in that it portrayed her unhappiness while also giving a glimmer of hope that she was looking for.  While so many people look at Ryan's Daughter as a failure, I put it right up in the top 10 of Lean's film.  I also hope that this film can see a Blu-ray release.

Dr. Zhivago was the first Road Show that I saw and just the presentation puts this film in a special place in my heart.  I did not know what an overture was until I heard this one and I thought something was wrong with the projector and curtains since there was not light on the screen and the curtains remained closed.  What a jaw dropping experience it was when the MGM lion showed and the curtains parted. True showmanship that we rarely see today.  I was hooked and never missed a Road Show from then own, even a bad one in the latter years."

KM wrote: "Truth be told, I have never been a huge fan of David Lean's "Doctor Zhivago", but I fully acknowledge that there are a lot of people who disagree with me. The epic story of a Russian physician and poet who falls in love with the right woman under all of the wrong circumstances (they are both married and their country is being torn asunder by the Bolshevik revolution) is beautifully written, expertly visualized, and well-acted, but the central relationship between Zhivago (Sharif) and Lara (Christie) just never interests me at any point in the film, robbing it of much of its poignancy. That being said, I certainly do not hate the film, but I find myself only able to admire it from a distance."

Nice reviews. I'd have to watch both again. I thought there was some chemistry in Z, but maybe it was just poetry....
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 well if Zhivago lacked "poignancy" someone please tell the  millions of fools who flocked to it to make it the 8th highest grossing film in human history
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