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post #1 of 19
3/27/10 at 8:45am
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Amazon now has the 2010  Alice In Wonderland film up for preorder. 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001HN6940/ref=s9_simh_gw_p74_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=09GNDRARBJ0NPMTJHZR7&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

I see that the 1951 animated Alice in Wonderland film is being issued on DVD on Tuesday. Why is this film not coming to the blu ray format as well? 

http://www.amazon.com/Alice-Wonderland-2-Disc-Special-Un-Anniversary/dp/B00335EQ0E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1269704666&sr=1-1

Will the animated film be issued later on with the live action 2010 film on blu ray?? 

Thanks! Pretty confused about how Disney is going about this one. 
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post #2 of 19
3/27/10 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by Tim Haxton View Post

Will the animated film be issued later on with the live action 2010 film on blu ray?? 

Thanks! Pretty confused about how Disney is going about this one. 

I saw a commercial on TV for the DVD only.  I agree it makes no sense not to put this out on blu-ray.
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post #3 of 19
3/27/10 at 8:36pm
Disney probably is getting the animated film restored at 4K resolution so that it will look perfect on Blu.  They probably don't want to port over a master from the previous DVD.  Why they didn't do this while the new movie was in production is beyond me though...
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post #4 of 19
3/28/10 at 6:27am
You know that Disney's ALICE IN WONDERLAND was always the "red-headed stepchild."  The movie never really made any money and Walt himself said he never should have made it.  To quote him '...the story has to many strange characters..."  To show his unhappiness with the film, this was the only one of his animated features that the allowed on his television show while he was alive and for several years after.  The same feelings and thoughts about this animated film might still linger at the studio.  We might never see a Blu-ray release.
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post #5 of 19
3/28/10 at 6:39am
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The same feelings and thoughts about this animated film might still linger at the studio.  We might never see a Blu-ray release.


Considering there's been 3 DVD releases of the movie in a decade, I think that's not the case. Any one (among the living) at the studio's feelings on it are meaningless. If they think it'll sell, they'll release it.
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post #6 of 19
3/28/10 at 8:20am
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You know that Disney's ALICE IN WONDERLAND was always the "red-headed stepchild."  The movie never really made any money and Walt himself said he never should have made it.  To quote him '...the story has to many strange characters..."  To show his unhappiness with the film, this was the only one of his animated features that the allowed on his television show while he was alive and for several years after.  The same feelings and thoughts about this animated film might still linger at the studio.  We might never see a Blu-ray release.

Not quite true. Dumbo premiered the second season of his television show, and each part of The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad were used in separate episodes of the series.
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post #7 of 19
3/28/10 at 11:18am
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Not quite true. Dumbo premiered the second season of his television show, and each part of The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad were used in separate episodes of the series.

 


Ichabod and Mr. Toad were not shown on the series as a complete movie, which is what you said.  They were included in shows with other shorts, I believe that Ichabod was part of a Halloween show along with Mickey & Donald fighting of ghosts.

I will stand corrected on DUMBO, but it did not get the televised repeats that Alice did and Dumbo was even re-released to theatres up to the middle 70's.  Walt tried hard to promote Alice with even hosting a Christmas Eve Special with a human Alice along with The Magic Mirror to promote Alice.  The animated Alice just never got the same respect from the studio that was given to other animated features at the time. 
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post #8 of 19
3/28/10 at 1:42pm
Wasn't Alice in Wonderland, like Fantasia, rereleased to theaters in the 1970s as psychedelic "head" movies for the flower power generation? Seems like I remember they were.
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post #9 of 19
3/28/10 at 2:35pm
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Wasn't Alice in Wonderland, like Fantasia, rereleased to theaters in the 1970s as psychedelic "head" movies for the flower power generation? Seems like I remember they were.

Yes, I saw "Alice" in theaters in the 70's.  They had a whole campaign with re-released records as well. 
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post #10 of 19
3/28/10 at 2:43pm
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Ichabod and Mr. Toad were not shown on the series as a complete movie, which is what you said.  They were included in shows with other shorts, I believe that Ichabod was part of a Halloween show along with Mickey & Donald fighting of ghosts.

I will stand corrected on DUMBO, but it did not get the televised repeats that Alice did and Dumbo was even re-released to theatres up to the middle 70's.  Walt tried hard to promote Alice with even hosting a Christmas Eve Special with a human Alice along with The Magic Mirror to promote Alice.  The animated Alice just never got the same respect from the studio that was given to other animated features at the time. 

Strange then that they built not only the longest and most elaborate Fantasyland dark ride based on Alice in Wonderland, but also a teacup ride based on it at Disneyland while Walt was alive. As far as I know its the only Disney movie to be represented by 2 rides at the park.

Doug
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post #11 of 19
3/28/10 at 5:19pm
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Strange then that they built not only the longest and most elaborate Fantasyland dark ride based on Alice in Wonderland, but also a teacup ride based on it at Disneyland while Walt was alive. As far as I know its the only Disney movie to be represented by 2 rides at the park.

Doug

 

Your right, but just look at it's release history verses the other animated films, even some of the lesser ones got re-releases.  One reason for the rides is that Alice was released in 1951 and Disneyland opened in 1955.  As he was planning Disneyland, Alice could still be in the fore front of Walt's mind.  Even though this was his least favorite film, he still knew he need to make money off of it eventually. 
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post #12 of 19
3/28/10 at 7:36pm
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 Thanks for the posts. 

Here's hoping a blu ray release is coming later in the year with the new Burton Alice film on blu ray. I'd love to pick up both. 

I read a bit more about Disney online. It was stated that Dumbo had been pushed to 2011? I've seen the reviews of the Dumbo blu ray from Mexico and the UK. I was very disappointed not to be able to pick this one up this year too. 

I'm a bit puzzled by Disney's blu ray strategy at the moment. Other than the fact that they issued Toy Story 1 and 2 recently, and with the online coupons one could pick it up for just a few $'s?? 

I'm unsure why delaying Dumbo a year will increase sales, but I'm sure Disney knows what they are doing. 
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post #13 of 19
6/6/10 at 10:36am

I think that Walt always loved the book but was only disappointed somewhat in the film because he didn't know how to fit all of the characters into a short film. Yet on the dvd extras of the unanniversary edition he goes through and shows how the film was made and talks personally about alice and how imagination changes childrens life. I think he loved it and now more people love it more than ever. But back then in 1955 it was a different era and people were alot different then they are now. And alice has been rereleased to theatres back in the 70's and so what if it was shown on TV. And snow white was one of walts favorites but Alice in wonderland has been released on dvd 3 times now. Once when dvd was new, then the 2 disc collectors edition in like 2002, and just now the unanniversary edition, with new extras such as the pig and pepper scene and extra songs that were cut from the film. So if Disney hated this film right now then why would they go back dig down in the vaults and look for all these special songs and scenes that were not put into the film. And there are more disney snowglobes and other collectible pieces for Alice than any other film I've seen. So in the end they will release it on blu ray maybe not because they want to but because Walt Disney's film Alice in Wonderland is more celebrated and popular now than ever. I bet if they rereleased the film again it would do ten times better tahn ever before. So no matter what anyone says alice will always be my favorite disney classic of all time.

 

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post #14 of 19
11/7/10 at 5:43pm

why is this not getting the diamond treatment, i am happy that Disney is putting this out on blu, but it seems that, there is a  run going on here, where in the future, we will see double dip on some of their classic animated films, and i know originaly it was supposedly only 12-13 titles were to get that treatment, but Fantasia was one of them, Sleeping Beauty???  that one deserved it, not that there is anything arong with that release, its just a packaging issue,    

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post #15 of 19
11/7/10 at 7:16pm

Alice in Wonderland since its box-office disappointing initial release has been one of the bastard stepchildren of Disney animation. Walt showed it on his TV show, and unlike most other Disney animated films on videotape and DVD, it never went back into the vaults. It always seemed to be one of the Disney animated titles always kept in circulation, again attaching a lack of admiration and respect for it from the head office.

 

I'm sure the film has long since turned a profit for the company, and I always enjoy watching it (love the score even if poor Kathryn Beaumont isn't much of a singer), but I would have been shocked if it HAD been given the "Diamond" designation.

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post #16 of 19
11/7/10 at 7:34pm

not to slight the film at all, i know that it has always been treated differently, along with robin hood, i remember the local stations showing this on sunday afternoon's when my children were small, but time has added some merit to this, i will take this classic disney any day over such things as treasure planet, or home on the range,

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post #17 of 19
11/8/10 at 2:16am
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Alice in Wonderland since its box-office disappointing initial release has been one of the bastard stepchildren of Disney animation. Walt showed it on his TV show, and unlike most other Disney animated films on videotape and DVD, it never went back into the vaults. It always seemed to be one of the Disney animated titles always kept in circulation, again attaching a lack of admiration and respect for it from the head office.

 

I'm sure the film has long since turned a profit for the company, and I always enjoy watching it (love the score even if poor Kathryn Beaumont isn't much of a singer), but I would have been shocked if it HAD been given the "Diamond" designation.


Unlike several other Disney titles, it at least got a 2-disc DVD edition, and now a Blu-ray release. So either someone from the board of directors is a fan, or it's loved by the audiences.

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post #18 of 19
11/8/10 at 6:21am

I got my copy of the Tim Burton one, after having rented it via On-Demand, the Blu-ray version was freaking AMAZING!! Visually and audibly stunning.

 

Two thumbs up from me.

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post #19 of 19
11/9/10 at 4:22pm
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Glad the 1951 version is coming to blu ray in 2011. I will be picking it up for sure. It's been years since I have seen it. I still think Disney dropped the ball by not releasing it in conjunction with the new Tim Burton version. 

 

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