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post #1 of 27
3/13/10 at 3:45pm
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i just bought the onkyo 807 klpsch wf35 and wc24 i was thinking of buying the xw500d for one of the subs any one have a better idea of a better sub for around the same price of 600 bones
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post #2 of 27
3/13/10 at 5:15pm
SVS makes some of the best subs out there. HSU and eD are considered top line too. You hear a lot about Klipsch speakers, but not much about their subs. This is the sub I'm getting in a couple more weeks: http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-pc12_nsd.cfm
I can't wait............
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post #3 of 27
3/17/10 at 6:20pm
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So what do you think would be louder and the most clean eD A5s-300 VS svs PC12-NSD VS HSU VTF-3 VS Klipsch WX-500d
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_138&products_id=681
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-pc12_nsd.cfm
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3-mk3.html
http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/xw-500d-overview/
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post #4 of 27
3/18/10 at 4:39am

The Klipsch sub should not be compared to internet direct subs.  No sub sold via retail can compete with the value of internet direct.

Specs on the other three are very, very close.  All play down to 17 or 18hz.  If you want loud, then you want one of the ported models.  If you want great sound quality, then the sealed sub is the way to go.  That being said, all will play much louder than you can listen to for extended periods of time.  All will sound better than any sub from Best Buy or other types of stores.

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post #5 of 27
3/18/10 at 6:41pm
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Please explain why i should not throw  klipsch in. the web site says 999.00 or some thing but u can get it for around 550. and its 500 rms 
the others are in the 300s what are the spec i should be really looking at 
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post #6 of 27
3/19/10 at 5:03am
Wattage is the least important spec.  Don't even pay any attention to it.  You should look at frequency response especially how low it goes.  The Klipsch goes to 21hz while the others are in the 17 to 18hz range.  4hz?  That is a LOT when you are talking about low end response.

Bass is about moving air.  The Klipsch is a 10" sub while the others are 12".  Size can be made up with excursion but we know nothing about the excursion of the Klipsch.  It does say "Ultra-high-excursion" in the specs but that is just what the marketing department puts in.  We know that the eD 12" driver has 25.4mm of linear excursion.  I have to estimate on the SVS since they don't publish specs but based on the bumped steel frame and the spider spacer, it should have at least 20mm of excursion.  Plus Stephen Ponte designed the SVS driver.

If you are buying the Klipsch from Best Buy then BB's price is at least 50% more than what they paid Klipsch from the sub.  If you are buying from a smaller stereo store then they bought the sub from a distributor so you have a middle man that added to the final cost.  SVS, Hsu and eD are all factory direct.  No middle man or retailer to raise prices.  They are just the best value.
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post #7 of 27
3/19/10 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by vickers427 View Post

Please explain why i should not throw  klipsch in. the web site says 999.00 or some thing but u can get it for around 550. and its 500 rms 
the others are in the 300s what are the spec i should be really looking at 
Your question was already answered: no retail manufacturer's subs will compete with those listed above from internet direct manufacturers.  It is a fact and it is as simple as that.  If you spend $600 on a Klipsch sub then you are wasting money that could have gone toward a real sub.
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post #8 of 27
3/20/10 at 4:26pm
I would go with the hsu out of the ones you listed, but if i were you, id look take a good look at the elemental designs a3-300, its $600 shipped. If i was on a budget, that would be my sub for sure.
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post #9 of 27
3/22/10 at 6:19pm
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ok makes sence. for the excursion you want a higher number right? my reciver is a 7.2 think i should go with 2 subs around the $600 range or get one sub in th $1200 range. i think i kinda like the sealed subs. and if i go with 2 subs would it sound good with one sealed and one ported
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post #10 of 27
3/23/10 at 4:31am
There is no such thing as 7.2.  There are receivers that are 7.1 but have dual LFE outputs.  Mine has one LFE output and I added a Y adapter to feed my two channel sub amp.  No matter how many subs you have, there is only one discreet audio channel.

A single sub is easier to set up.  But properly set up dual subs will provide a smoother bass response.  I'm running dual subs but they are co-located (very close together) in the front of my room so in effect they are acting as a single sub.  To smooth my bass response I run a 12 band parametric EQ on my sub channel.  I'm flat from 80hz to 17hz.

My subs are sealed.  I like them.  I have also heard ported subs that I like as well.  Do not mix enclosure types.  It's not even recommended to mix subs if they are both the same type.  Get identical subs if you go with duals.
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post #11 of 27
3/23/10 at 5:20am
The manufacturer advertises them as 7.2 receivers, and up. Onkyo's TX-SR607, up to the TX-NR807 are 7.2, and the TX-NR1000 up to the TX-NR5007 are advertised as 9.2 receivers. See here: http://www.us.onkyo.com/prod_class.cfm?class=Receiver
Now whether or not it's two outputs from the same internal amp, or two internal amps for the subs, I don't know. I don't see anything on the site telling that. The only thing it says, under the "Features" tab is: # Channels ... 7.2, so that could be interpreted as two discreet channels for LFE.
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post #12 of 27
3/23/10 at 2:20pm
Whether or not there are receivers that claim ".2", there are no ".2" audio tracks available so it is sort of a moot point.  There were receivers in the 90s that had two outputs as well and it sort of died out and is coming back again.  A Y-splitter does exactly the same thing, so I wouldn't use it as a selling point.
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post #13 of 27
3/23/10 at 2:20pm
I'd lighten up on my quest to banish the .2 designation if these receivers had independent settings for each LFE output.  Most have an internal splitter and dual RCA outputs.  Electrically, the same thing I achieved with a $3 Radio Shack Y adapter.
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post #14 of 27
3/23/10 at 5:54pm
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i dident know that about the .2 channal. i give up i cant find any where, what bands r on a parametric EQ or how many you need for what app you have. i have herd of a parametric EQ befor but can only tell u the noob way of what it is. Basically what im doing is have a nice suround sound with every once in awile some music. now when im watching a movie i dont want to hear the sub going when some one is talking or running or some thing i know the LFE helps with that but when that explosion hits i want my hart to stop. what do you think the best way to achieve this is for around $1300
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post #15 of 27
3/23/10 at 7:05pm
If you budget has gone up to $1,300 then the Elemental Designs A7-350 or a pair of the SVS PC-NSD subs.  Either choice is simple to implement and will crush any retail sub on the market.
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post #16 of 27
3/23/10 at 7:35pm
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well the orignal idea was to get 2 subs 600 a pice but now i dont know to get two $600 or one 1300. i mean when you start talking about eq im no sound pro. if i had some one to help me set a eq up i would love to know how to do that but is kinda hard to fig it out in fourms.
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post #17 of 27
3/24/10 at 8:40am
I've posted instructions on how I set up my Behringer Feedback Destroyer.  It takes about 2 hours and all you need is Radio Shack SPL meter ($45) and a copy of Microsoft Excel (hopefully you have it or your work has it).  There is a faster way but you need a laptop, external sound card and you will spend more time calibrating the computer than setting up the EQ.

I wouldn't get the EQ until you buy a sub and set it up.  The majority of the people here don't run a sub EQ.  It's only a few bass nut jobs like me that do.  But I need one.  After setting up my system, I measured the sub's in-room frequency response.  It was horrible.  I had a 12db hump at 55hz.  It sounded like your average 16 year old's car stereo - all boom, boooom, boooooooom.  I used the EQ to bring down the hump and boost the low end a little.  Everyone can benefit from bass EQ but some more than others.  For most, their plain sub is more than enough.
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post #18 of 27
3/24/10 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by Robert_J View Post

I've posted instructions on how I set up my Behringer Feedback Destroyer.  It takes about 2 hours and all you need is Radio Shack SPL meter ($45) and a copy of Microsoft Excel (hopefully you have it or your work has it).  There is a faster way but you need a laptop, external sound card and you will spend more time calibrating the computer than setting up the EQ.

I wouldn't get the EQ until you buy a sub and set it up.  The majority of the people here don't run a sub EQ.  It's only a few bass nut jobs like me that do.  But I need one.  After setting up my system, I measured the sub's in-room frequency response.  It was horrible.  I had a 12db hump at 55hz.  It sounded like your average 16 year old's car stereo - all boom, boooom, boooooooom.  I used the EQ to bring down the hump and boost the low end a little.  Everyone can benefit from bass EQ but some more than others.  For most, their plain sub is more than enough.

 


I do have a Laptop and Excel and a ex sound card sound blaster x-fi
what do u have for subs robert
Edited by vickers427 - 3/24/10 at 7:06pm
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post #19 of 27
3/24/10 at 7:07pm
Look up Room EQ Wizard at Home Theater Shack dot com.  All you need is the SPL meter or one of the other mics that they have a calibration file for.
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post #20 of 27
3/25/10 at 5:10pm
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thanks just called ed and got the a7-350 today
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post #21 of 27
3/25/10 at 6:28pm
That will be an awsome sub.  I have a few underhung sub drivers in my collection and I really like the low distortion sound.
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post #22 of 27
4/19/10 at 12:02am
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well its been 3 weeks and still no sub i dont know how much longer i can wait
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post #23 of 27
4/19/10 at 5:30am
They keep very few completed subs in inventory.  Most are built as they are ordered.  Did you call them for an ETA?  Have you ever read their blog?  They will tell you when things like equipment failures will slow down production.
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post #24 of 27
4/19/10 at 4:58pm
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i called today got no anwser
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post #25 of 27
4/19/10 at 6:26pm
They have their own forum and online chat/help on their site.
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post #26 of 27
4/19/10 at 7:38pm
Three weeks, and still not shipped? Not even any communication? Don't answer the phone?
Doesn't sound good to me.
I think I'd be reconsidering...................
Good luck!
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post #27 of 27
4/24/10 at 10:18am
eD has had a two-month backlog on orders for several months.  They are high quality subs and their popularity has led to a substantial increase in orders since last December.  My understanding is that they do not have much space to expand and consequently hiring extra people is only a partial option.  Also, some amplifier orders are overdue.
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