VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA--SEASON 4 VOL.2 - Page 9

More comments from Seaview 7 Nick

I was very sorry to hear about Del Monroe's passing. He brought an authentic quality to "Kowalski" and I'm glad he was able to meet many of the VOYAGE fans at some of the conventions in the past 10 years.

I found a couple of interviews he did, one for Starlog in 1998 and another for Filmfax (2001?) and he was very humble and grateful about Voyage's cult popularity. In the Starlog issue, it mentions that Irwin expected Voyage to play until 1974 (expecting a full 10 year run) and Irwin was very angry over the 1968 cancellation.

Del himself wanted Voyage to last until 1971 but reconciled himself to its healthy four-year run. In Filmfax, Del recalls asking his former landlord (back in 1965), "Hey, have you seen any Voyage episodes?" and the landlord admitted that after seeing one show, it scared him too much, he couldn't watch it anymore.

Always liked that last scene in Secret of the Deep - you're supposed to be watching Nelson and Crane talk about how they had a weapon the villain didn't have, "the crew of the Seaview," and if you look in the background, Del (at sonar) tilts his head to listen to them compliment the crew and then he breaks into a triumphant smile. A nice moment, possibly an ad-lib.

Another very nice List From Kowalski 65 Joe 

Here's my top 10 Voyage babes list:

10. Yvonne Craig (yeah, Batgirl). She was in Season 1's "Turn Back the Clock."
9.  Susan Flannery (more famed as the matriarch on the "Bold & the Beautiful" soap). She has the distinction of appearing on three different episodes as three different characters. She was in Season 1's "Hail to the Chief" and "The Traitor" and Season 2's "Time Bomb."
8. Monique LeMaire (sp?).  She was in Season 1's "The Magnus Beam."
7. Elizabeth Perry.  I think she played a semi-regular role in one of the medical dramas of the 60s and was in Season 2's "The Death Ship."
6. Danica D'Hondt. Danica didn't leave much of a mark in Hollywood, I gather, other than as a pretty face on several TV shows. Here very short appearance in Season 2's "Escape from Venice" impressed me with her gorgeous blue eyes and red hair.
5. Diane Weber. She was a 50s pin-up girl and avid exhibitionist. She was the titular character in Season 3's "The Mermaid." (She was also the last female to appear on Voyage.)
4. Vitina Marcus. The "green girl" who feel for Dr. Smith on "Lost in Space" appeared in two episodes - Season 1's "Turn Back the Clock" and Season 2's "Return of the Phanton."
3. Ina Balin (sp?). I think she was an Elvis girl (either in film or real life) and had roles in some Biblical movies of the era. She was in Season 2's "Time Bomb."
2. Francois Rugerrie (sp?). She played a mute alien mother in a "Lost in Space" episode and had a bit role later in a "Night Gallery" episode. She was in two Season 2 episodes: "And Five of Us are Left" and "The Machines Strike Back."
1. Karen Steele. You might remember her as the hottest of "Mudd's Women" on Star Trek. She was in Season 2's "Leviathan."

From Seaview Nick

While we wait for the last of Year Four Voyage to be released, here's some trivia. According to a UPI news article in 1966, motion picture actor Victor Mature was visiting the Voyage set and when they needed somebody to sit at the radio console for a scene, Irwin Allen and director Sobey Martin asked Mature if he would do it. Mature reluctantly agreed. The news article says it's a brief cameo but people could spot him as 'Sparks' in the background. I presume it was a year two episode, and the aforementioned Sobey Martin was directing. Mature was around 50 years old at the time.

What about Barbara Bouchet.....

Why in the World is it that no one ever mentions her?

It is perhaps the biggest 'Voyage Babes' mystery of all.

From the very under appreciated episode "The Left Handed Man"

from season 2(..which also featured the very appealing Judy Lang,

who was a guest on the second season of 'The Wild Wild West')!

B.B.  was downright voluptuous and extremely appealing..

more so than many on these previous lists(..how Viveca

Lindfors would even have a place on such a list I can never know).

# 01 Barbara Bouchet

# 02 Yvonne Craig

# 03 Brook Bundy

# 04 Danica D'Hondt(..very beautiful)

# 05 Nancy Kovack

# 06 Diane Weber

# 07 Judy Lang

# 08 Francoise Ruggeiri

# 09 Vitina Marcus

# 10 Ina Balin

I think that this is a pretty good list of Voyage

eye candy.

OBSERVATIONS:  My local Barnes and Noble sold out of its 3 copies by 10:30 or so. 

However, the FYE chain also stocked VOYAGE S4, V2 – AND at a discounted price of 32.99 on a 39.99 list.  This is great because they sold S4, V1 for full list!  You may want to add them to places to look, if you want it today.    

As I may have said earlier (in one of the threads), my first episode to watch is my guilty pleasure “Savage Jungle”. 

Quick observation, there are no “named” chapter skips (at least for “Savage Jungle” and “Secret of the Deep”), but the chapters DO advance – there is just no display for them, and no chapter names.  Too bad, as I always like to see how they divide the episodes up, and the names chosen for those chapter segments.

The 4^th Season theme is also properly restored, but without the final “drumbeats” that would have played behind “Brought to you by…” That part is completely silent.  Not perfect, but less jarring than the attempt to modify the 4^th Season theme in the previous set.

NOW, I’LL SPOIL SOMETHING ABOUT “SAVAGE JUNGLE” TO MAKE ANOTHER OBSERVATION…

SO, PLEASE SKIP THE REST OF THIS POST, IF YOU DON’T WANT “SAVAGE JUNGLE” SPOILED.

PLEASE SKIP THE REST OF THIS POST, IF YOU DON’T WANT “SAVAGE JUNGLE” SPOILED.

 PLEASE SKIP THE REST OF THIS POST, IF YOU DON’T WANT “SAVAGE JUNGLE” SPOILED.

OKAY, NOW…

The picture is so clear and sharp that you can see new beads of sweat on Nelson, in the opening when the Seaview is running at a high temperature. 

ALSO, when the “Jungle Fighters” are destroyed (remember they took the form of “toy soldiers” for transport with their alien master Keeler) they are actually DISMEMBERED in the smoldering box at the end.  Legs, feet, and other parts are ripped from their “toy” bodies in detail I never noticed on TV broadcasts!!!  EEESH!  They had a far more “gruesome death” than I’d ever noticed before! 

Oddly, in that same scene, we do not see the ‘bits and pieces of dead vegetation” that is believed to be Keeler… just the “body parts” strewn about the box – with some exposed wires and such that were concealed beneath the LID of the box! 

So, FOX did its usual amazing job on remastering – at least what little I’ve seen so far! 

Let’s share our observations… but be mindful of SPOILERS without the courtesy of warnings! 

My first post and hopefully this will help some of you out. It's my thank-you for having others same me $$$ on DVD purchases.

Foxconnect.com has this set on sale for $24.99.

Sign-up for their email and you get 10% off and free shipping. Final price $22.50.

http://www.foxconnect.com/voyage-to-the-bottom-of-the-sea-season-4-volume-2-dvd-fullscreen.html

My copy arrived today via UPS.

Enjoy.

Amazon is dragging its feet on my copy.  As of this late hour, it's still in the "Shipping Soon" category.  It looks like I won't be seeing it until the weekend or even next week at this rate.

Ah well - I've waited this long...

Harry

Can you tell me if they include the unaired color pilot featuring the unique main titles integrated in the wild sea

and not the Seaview opening?

One last thing, do they include subtitles (English, Spanish, French) and various languages (English, Spanish, French)?

Thanks.

“Return of Blackbeard” opens with the “Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea In Color” intro!  I think "The Lobster Man" did too!

“Terrible Leprechaun”, “Savage Jungle” and “Secret of the Deep” do not.  Haven’t watched any of the others yet. 

Attractive menu designs. Main Menus play the (not 4th season) Voyage theme -- with a Flying Sub fly-by sound effect and the final drumbeats that are missing from the actual episodes.  Main Menus have photos of Basehart and Hedison.  Episode menus have illustrated frogmen, depth charts, etc.

No episode sub-menus (select the episode and it plays) and no chapter designations -- but you can skip forward and backward.  It's just not charted! 

You are SO right about Barbara Bouchet, DVD S. Judging her based solely on the episode - in which she wears a stewardess uniform throughout - some of her finer assets are not in evidence. In the special features mode still photos (on one of the DVDs, I think it's Season 2-V2), she is wearing a bikini and a SCUBA tank while clowning with David Hedison. OMG!!! She had rock-hard abs but bountiful curves in all the right places. Those shots were not in the episode.

. . .I can't say I share Joe Tor1's enthusiasm for "Savage Jungle."

 My biggest letdown from VttBotS Ssn. 4, Vol. 2 was the episode "The Abominable Snowman."  I front-loaded my viewing of the set to get the lesser episodes "out of the way." I didn't expect much from "The Abominable Snowman" because it had pretty much been panned by most critics.

But the episode started out great and was bubbling like a fragrant stew halfway through. It had what, for me, is the quintessential element of a great Voyage episode: Danger lurking in and out of Seaview's corridors. What could be scarier than to be menaced by a monster, spy or malevolent alien on a submarine hundreds of feet below the surface, with nowhere to run?! It didn't bother me that the "snowman" looked like a guy in an expensive Halloween costume, it was still creepy. The scene where a crewman bolts down a deadend corridor to escape the monster, finding the only doors in the corridor locked, was vintage Voyage.

But. . . .then the "snowman" had to confront Admiral Nelson and all the disjointed, static mad-scientist threats started flowing from his big, hairy mouth.! ARRRRGGGGHHH!!!!!He could have remained a mute menace and the Admiral, brilliant guy that he was, could have figured out who he was and what he planned without "Abominable's" stentorious speal!

(And when I was a kid, I only liked monster episodes!)

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. . .I can't say I share Joe Tor1's enthusiasm for "Savage Jungle."

Aw, not even with the new visual detail in mentioned in my spoiler? 

Nevertheless, as I wished not to spoil “Savage Jungle”, I’ll not attempt to spoil “Abominable Snowman” but, as monster episodes go, that was a superior one! 

The level of overall tension among the entire crew was something we’d not seen in a long time!  That put it over the top for me… and that more and more bodies kept turning up!  The crew even seemed “larger or deeper” than usual.  More extras who don’t speak. 

But, its claim to fame was WHAT the monster turned-out to be!  I’ll not spoil for those who did not see it – but (think about it) it also explains WHY the monster moved as it did.  By that, I mean not as “monster-like” in its moves and motions as other Allen creature-suits, even though this suit was a multi-timer on LOST IN SPACE! 

I’m in “Nightmare” now!  If only more S3 and S4 episodes were more like this! 

Though, honestly, once you get past the first two episodes of the set, Season Four Volume Two is a great collection of episodes, by the norms of the last two seasons… okay, maybe not “Flaming Ice”.  Never really understood the ending to that one. 

kowalski65,

though Miss Bouchet's, er...finer physical talents are not on display in

the episode, she does have plenty of natural poise, charm and sophistication

to spare, and she is downright sexy and flirtatious with Admiral Nelson(and

seems to be the cause of jealous feelings from the Admiral's secretary)!

I think it would have been very impact-full in the minds and memories of

Voyage's (male) fans, if the bikini and scuba gear scenes had somehow made

their way into the episode, but those photos were just some publicity shots

and not scripted!

On the subject of episodes from the latter part of season 4,

I like 'Flaming Ice', as well as 'Savage Jungle' and I've always felt that it too,

is a fun, guilty pleasure.

I have always found it to be much more Satisfying than 'Abominable'.

I do tend to like some of the later, outrageous episodes,('Leprechauns',

other than Chief Sharkey's humor, not so much)!

Does anyone find that the humor among the cast in the 4th season seems to

be cranked up a notch?

I always heard that Irwin didn't want the parts written with any humor on Voyage,

maybe because he was distracted by creating 'Giants' at this time, they were

able to sneak more humor into the writing and portrayals of some of the leads.

I think that 'The Abominable Snowman' had potential to be a better episode

than it was, as did 'The Lobster Man', which reminds me:

has anyone read the out of print book, about the behind the scenes goings-ons

at Fox in the late '60's?

It is called "The Studio" and it is mainly about the filming, marketing and hype

surrounding the musical "Doctor Dolittle", but has side chapters about Irwin

Allen's productions, particularly, I.A. directing and filming the pilot of Land Of The Giants

(in great detail!) and the pilot presentation for 'Man From The 25th Century".

They have a part about them trying to build the costume for the Lobster Man on

Voyage and other details, but not a great deal about it, as that show was

nearing it's completion.I wonder what the episode's production order for

'Lobster'  was? It would reveal when exactly the Giants pilot was filmed..

'67 or '68(...my guess is probably early in '68).

Anyway, it is a rather neat book, ironic in that, 'Planet Of The Apes'(..a movie

much less expensive to make), was the runaway hit that they were trying with

all their might and money to make 'Doctor Dolittle' into(..which certainly wasn't)!

By the way, I really enjoy everyone's input and stories that they share here on

this forum and about this fun show!

Thanks!

Oh, let's add a relevant picture to this part of the thread:

Harry

Oh, HELL yeah! Now that's what I'm talking about, Harry N!. . .Let me forthwith scratch Monique Lemaire (whoever the hell she was!) from my list, add Barbara at the top and push the rest of the ladies down in descending order.

Earlier on this thread (or it may have been on the older "When are we going to see..." Voyage thread,) I said it would be a dream come true if a new Voyage mini-series were made with the same production values AND cultural values of the original series. That is, full of patriotism, machismo, individual integrity, devoid of edgy sexuality and graphic violence and the politically correct stereotypes that made the relaunched Battlestar Gallactica saga a cesspool.

It sounded crazy at the time. But I've just noticed something:

- Speedy is once again hawking Alka-Seltzer on TV;

- Sy-Fy Network this week ran a marathon of the original 1967 Green Hornet series;

- Pepsi-Cola is selling "throwback" 12 packs of Pepsi, Diet Pepsi and Mountain Dew in the late 60s packaging (and supposedly containing "real sugar" instead of high fructose corn syrup);

- Chips Ahoy cookies and Cap'N'Crunch cereal is marketing throw-back packages.

A disillusioned generation of soon-to-turn-50 folks - or so the marketing folks seem to believe - is pining away for the 60s. Maybe somebody will get the idea and my Voyage mini-series can become a reality! (Jon Hamm would make a fantastic Capt. Crane, and David Hedison, Terry Becker, Bob Dowdell and Alan Hunt are still around for cameo roles. Make'm Com-Sub Pack commanders or villains!). . .Oh well. I can dream. . . . .

Thanks kowalski,

I laughed my head off to your response..

I'm afraid even without the swimsuit and

scuba pic, Miss LeMaire doesn''t hold a candle to Miss Bouchet!

(That is a great picture Harry..thanks! It does seems to be very James Bond like.

By the way Harry, is there another one that shows her front side, perhaps)?

Having watched the last 13 episodes again, I have to say that "Edge of Doom" was a vastly underrated episode. I  love monster episodes and episodes with guest stars, but episodes carried by the regular cast - like this one - often worked very well (though I didn't appreciate them as a pre-teen viewer.)

I think the opening sequence of "Edge of Doom" has to be one of the best: The Admiral in his crabbiest, Season 4 bluster and the "mask" scene that segues into the episode-opening sonar dissolve. I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it, but that mask scared the Kool-aid out of me back in '68. The interplay among Nelson, Crane, Morton and Sharkey is classic, and vaults the episode into my top 20 Voyages. . .

Harry I read once again some of your final thoughts. The thoughts you posted on the first Voyage thread.  I just have to repeat them in case some of the fans missed them.  Thankyou for writing such a tribute to the series and the fans.

Mark Collins

In the middle of 2005, word came of the impending releases which began in actuality in January 2006 (for THE TIME TUNNEL), so as I post this, we're nearing the five-year anniversary of the release of THE TIME TUNNEL, VOLUME ONE.

Now, we are all just days away from being able to finally complete owning all four Irwin Allen series on DVD.  It's ironic that in the time it's taken, a high-definition video format has stolen a lot of the thunder away from DVD; that another high-definition format (HD-DVD) has risen and fallen within this time span; and we've all aged five to seven years.  Within this time span, fans of THE INVADERS were treated to their favorite series in two volumes; my favorite drama THE FUGITIVE began and is also nearing completion within mere days.

So this hefty thread, which has been a part of our lives now for a long time, is likely to come to some sort of conclusion.  It will likely be some innocuous posting regarding something about the final thirteen episodes, or the physical discs themselves, maybe the packaging, but it WILL quietly fade into our collective consciences.  It's lasted longer than its namesake series itself but it will ultimately sail into some future archive of this forum's content.

Harry

...looking back, as well as into the future, online...
 

Got my set yesterday and immediately plugged in the pilot (w/commercials).  It was a nice treat and even though I've seen that episode way too many times over the last 5 years it's still very enjoyable for me.  I then went to "Edge of Doom" (just because it was mentioned here as being underrated).  I did like the opening sequence, but after that the episode didn't do much for me.  The imposter was so obvious within seconds of showing up on screen it just didn't have any suspense at all.  Now, I already knew who the imposter was because I've seen all the episodes multiple times down through the years but this time around it really hit me just how poorly that aspect of the episode was handled.

I'll watch more today and through the weekend, but to be honest I'm pretty sure the only thing this set will do is solidify my longstanding opinion that the first season of the show was topnotch, the second was solid with only a few clunkers, and the third and fourth really fell off the proverbial cliff.  Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we finally have the series completed.  This show has always held a special place in my heart and will always be a huge favorite of mine, but I'd be lying if I said I enjoy Season Four episodes just as much as Season One episodes. 

Gary "not trying to throw a wet blanket on anything, just sharing my personal thoughts like everyone else" O.

 Gary -

I'd be interested to hear what you think of "Secret of the Deep." I knew when I watched it it was going to feature the often-used, bug-eyed seaweed beast, but that was OK. I always loved that monster and its first two appearances - "The Condemned" and "Deadly Creature Below!" - were among my favorites.

But I was dismayed to see that roughly a third of the episode was not re-used footage but reshot scenes - complete with only slightly altered dialogue - from "Deadly Creature Below!" That's the kind of budget-pinching nonsense that diminished the latter seasons of Voyage.

But I can't end my commentary on my beloved series on a down note. Reshot, re-edited, re-used, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea will always be my favorite TV show of all time. I only PRAY they never desecrate it by "re-imagining" it!!!

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Got my set yesterday and immediately plugged in the pilot (w/commercials).  It was a nice treat and even though I've seen that episode way too many times over the last 5 years it's still very enjoyable for me.  I then went to "Edge of Doom" (just because it was mentioned here as being underrated).  I did like the opening sequence, but after that the episode didn't do much for me.  The imposter was so obvious within seconds of showing up on screen it just didn't have any suspense at all.  Now, I already knew who the imposter was because I've seen all the episodes multiple times down through the years but this time around it really hit me just how poorly that aspect of the episode was handled.

 

Actually, I find that the viewer knowing (or strongly suspecting) who the saboteur is – and watching Nelson go about snaring the wrong man – is a great strength of “Edge of Doom”! 

Just seeing him be WRONG, instead of being two steps ahead of Dr. Mason (“Man of Many Faces”), the Lobster Man, or Mr. Pem is quite refreshing. 

In fact, the mask is, to me, the weakness… as it would have been better still to have seen the blow to the head (in the teaser) been dealt by the imposter altered to look like [Name of character omitted to avoid spoilers!]  With the mask, I was kind of expecting a supernatural element to this episode that never came.

Another key element that was too subtle to easily catch onto was that Nelson was ORDERED to avoid any direct questioning of the suspect – thereby negating the logical type of “personal questioning” employed in “Man of Many Faces” – like asking Sharkey where he went to high school and what subject he got an “A” in.  That way Nelson could KEEP HOUNDING the wrong man, without resorting to intimate personal detail to determine his authenticity. 

I also liked this one because it was one final time to get into the characterizations of our main men, before the more weirdly plot driven final two episodes.  

Don’t know if it’s the end of the years of anticipation or not, but I seem to like ALL of these final episodes either as much – or more – than I remember liking them.  Even “Return of Blackbeard” seems more enjoyable for its whimsy, the score by Mullendore (which I recall not liking, when compared to Leith Stevens and Harry Geller’s scores) and the usual hamminess of Malachi Throne.

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I'll watch more today and through the weekend, but to be honest I'm pretty sure the only thing this set will do is solidify my longstanding opinion that the first season of the show was topnotch, the second was solid with only a few clunkers, and the third and fourth really fell off the proverbial cliff.  Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we finally have the series completed.  This show has always held a special place in my heart and will always be a huge favorite of mine, but I'd be lying if I said I enjoy Season Four episodes just as much as Season One episodes. 

 

Great assessment, Gary. I often wish reality would stop interfering with my nostalgia, but everything you say here is true. Would that I could wayback to my childhood wonder in watching this series and not be so inundated with the vast discrepancies from season to season as my maturing perception so readily attaches now. It reminds me of THE MAN FROM UNCLE and its dreadful third season, which just about tilt-a-whirled everything that had gone before, alienating everyone, from the cast to the audience. Whether it's the result of a misguided producer or a dearth of fresh ideas or a ever decreasing budget or whatever imposition is suddenly thrust upon the integrity of the series, the result is almost always the same: Complete and utter frustration and disappointment for all involved.
 

I tend to enjoy all four seasons, I don't have a favorite. I'd love to tell you it's nostalgia, but I only discovered the series in 1992, so that ain't it. ;)

Of course, I recognize the change in story maturity and quality, but the show was just damned good fun and there's an episode for whatever mood I'm in. In my view, the show reached it's nadir at the back end of the third season. The final year had something of an upswing and seemed to take on a lighter touch. "Return of Blackbeard," for example, seems to be played for laughs intentionally, which was totally unheard of in prior seasons. Yes, there were a number of truly craptacular episodes toward the end, but I have to say that the show wrapped up with a classy time travel episode that felt like a final episode. 

Funny, I've been anticipating this final release for years, but now I'm sorry it's over. Weird.

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I tend to enjoy all four seasons, I don't have a favorite. I'd love to tell you it's nostalgia, but I only discovered the series in 1992, so that ain't it. ;)

 

Of course, I recognize the change in story maturity and quality, but the show was just damned good fun and there's an episode for whatever mood I'm in. In my view, the show reached it's nadir at the back end of the third season. The final year had something of an upswing and seemed to take on a lighter touch. "Return of Blackbeard," for example, seems to be played for laughs intentionally, which was totally unheard of in prior seasons. Yes, there were a number of truly craptacular episodes toward the end, but I have to say that the show wrapped up with a classy time travel episode that felt like a final episode. 

 

Funny, I've been anticipating this final release for years, but now I'm sorry it's over. Weird.

Hi Scott,

I was too young when the show was first on and vaguely remember seeing an episode here and there in 1970s. I like classic sci-fi, so it is this reason i picked up the set along with my buddy was raving about the show too me. I also picked up outerlimits and time tunnel for the same reason. They just do not make good sci-fi shows like they did in the past.

 

Scott: I was there for the original, as a wide-eyed kid, and still love it well into my middle-age!  Your assessment of the series as a whole is in perfect agreement with mine.  Low point end of S3, and noticeable upswing in S4, but still below what came before. 

...But ALWAYS enjoyable!  Period!

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Great assessment, Gary. I often wish reality would stop interfering with my nostalgia, but everything you say here is true. Would that I could wayback to my childhood wonder in watching this series and not be so inundated with the vast discrepancies from season to season as my maturing perception so readily attaches now. It reminds me of THE MAN FROM UNCLE and its dreadful third season, which just about tilt-a-whirled everything that had gone before, alienating everyone, from the cast to the audience. Whether it's the result of a misguided producer or a dearth of fresh ideas or a ever decreasing budget or whatever imposition is suddenly thrust upon the integrity of the series, the result is almost always the same: Complete and utter frustration and disappointment for all involved.

That's well said, Walker.  I really am a huge fan of the show, but I just couldn't enjoy the standard Irwin Allen "monster of the week" pattern the show fell into in Seasons 3 & 4.  I do agree that in that last season the cast seemed at times to almost be laughing at themselves, but that just doesn't work for me in this instance.  It's not that I expected them to be ultra serious all the time, but there is a line where things got too silly for me. 

Gary "glad for those that enjoy all 4 seasons equally - and I am glad the series was finally completed on dvd" O.

For me Voyage was the candy bar. I loved the monster of the week shows.  The problem with the show was all to often the scripts. The Abominable  Snowman and Manbeast were monster of the week shows that worked because they had better scripts. I also do think that Irwin Allen may have been looking to greener pastures in S4. I think he may have been responsible for the demise of Voyage because he did not want to deal with declining budgets.

Asto the unaired pilot, I am wondering how Sy Fy was able to get ahold of a color version when they ran the unaired pilot and Fox was not. That is the only sore spot that I have about this set.

 My top two come from season 3 and 4. The 'Wax Men' with Michael Dunn playing a Miguelito Loveless type character and "The Deadly Dolls" with Vincent Price playing the mad villian.

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 My top two come from season 3 and 4. The 'Wax Men' with Michael Dunn playing a Miguelito Loveless type character and "The Deadly Dolls" with Vincent Price playing the mad villain.

 Loved 'em both too!  Funny thing is, they are the same plot... one with "wax statues" and one with "puppets"!  Each with an expert genre guest star to pull them off!

The unaired pilot is there.  I also just read in the Jon Abbott book last night "Irwin Allen Telvision Productions 1964-1970" that the " X Factor" episodes has a scene with Nelson looking at the face of gun ready to be shot which did not make it into the 1st episode.  The Abbott book is great i think any Irwin Allen fan would enjoy it. 

Let me second Mark's endorsement of the Jon Abbott Irwin Allen book!  It may be the the finest resource on the subject ever!  All fans should have a copy of this great work.