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post #1 of 97
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My dislike for Steve Martin (Planes, Trains and Automobiles aside) and Ron Howard (virtually everything he's directed) meant I never got around to seeing the 1989 feature film nor the original attempt at adapting it into a TV Series. From what I can tell, they took the basic, broad premise of the movie -- four children and their parents struggling with parenthood: one the father of a son with Asperger's, one the divorced mother of two troubled teens, one a wife feeling that her husband has squeezed her out of her daughter's life, and one a slacker, directionless father to a biracial son -- and ditched everything else. The inccessant NBC promos during the Olympics and my love for Lauren Graham convinced me to tune in.

 

One thing I was not prepared for was how much Peter Krause, in the Steve Martin role, is the first among equals in this ensemble. The entire family revolves around him, and he mostly bears the burden well. The parents (played by Craig T. Nelson and Bonnie Bedelia) gravitate a little too close to the batty liberal old couple that are a sitcom staple at first glance, but Nelson's patriarch in particular ultimately comes across as the classic old school American father, territory that Ed O'Neill has been in total command of all season on "Modern Family". Lauren Graham adds some much needed comic relief to the show, even as her storyline is full of affecting dramatic moments. Graham swings between the two poles better than anyone else working today. Erika Christensen has graduated to adult roles, as the extremely successful alpha female that is watching her home life slip away from her. Dax Shepard plays the resident Type B of the family, who has been gliding through life relatively care-free until his girlfriend manipulates him into promising him a kid right before he discovers he conceived a young son with an old flame.

And that's just the core family. Mae Whitman and Sarah Ramos are effective as the teenage daughters to Graham's character and Krause's character respectively. Sam Jaeger is non-threatening and domesticated as the stay-at-home husband to Christensen's high-powered lawyer.

I grew up in an extended family that met for holidays and anniversaries and that was pretty much it, so the idea of four siblings that constantly weave in and out of each others' lives is completely foreign to me. This stellar cast sold it for me, with a filming style that translates "The West Wing's" breakneck verbal pacing to the domestic front. In the short-term, I think the show's juggling too much, because we never get to spend enough time with any of the stories. That being said, there were several moments in this pilot where I choked up a bit, which is a tribute to the performances -- especially Peter Krause's as the seemingly ideal dad that's on the verge of cracking up just under the surface.

post #2 of 97
I thought it was excellent.  Like Adam, I am not a Ronnie Howard fan and have never seen the movie, but I think credit for this success belongs to Jason Katims.  It's got the same heart, realism and respect for the characters that Friday Night Lights does.  Hopefully, it won't share the struggle to find an audience.

The kid playing Max seems pretty talented.  I believed his condition, which has to be tough to convey for such a little guy.
post #3 of 97
I want to hear what the "Arrested Development" fans had to think.
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As a father of a child with autism, I really related to the one character, though I thought it was played a bit too over the top. 

 

Our son has all of the key issues, some of the things the show brought up reminded me of him.  For our son he can't stand to be around people who are eating (stop eating!) because he can't take the noise; and of course, self-harming behaviors are normal, or just the experience.. so the repeated diving into a puddle?  Yeah, I got that.  They had some of those elements really dead on and they played it very well.

I think sometimes they play the emotional impact up a bit.. there are moments that are incredibly difficult that I don't think they will go into with this show, but I admire them for a realistic take on it.  It's hard to play kids with autism, because many are pretty bright, smart kids.. they just have significant social integration issues that prevent them from moving out of the shell. 

I dislike the storyline of the mother/rebellious kids.  Not just a little, a lot.  Then agan, I guess most families have black sheep.

There were too many things shoved into an hour to really work for me, but it's going to be interesting to see if they can balance so many characters and storylines

post #5 of 97
It took me a few minutes to place the actress playing Lauren Graham's daughter, then I realized "Oh yeah, she was the first daughter in Independence Day."
post #6 of 97
I think she was Anne from "Arrested Development" too.
post #7 of 97

During the first 15 minutes I thought there were too many characters. Other than knowing Krause was the star I couldn't tell who was who. Then all of a sudden it came together. I'm hooked.

post #8 of 97
Not sure I like the younger brother or sister characters, but it is a full house of characters, that's for sure.
post #9 of 97
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I liked this episode more than the pilot. Mae Whitman does a tremendous job humanized the most unlikable character on the show. Her breakdown in the car instantly inverted my opinion of Amber, and there are lots of touches scattered throughout that made me believe that she's as intelligent as her mother made her out to be.

I can empathize with Sarah on the job front, too: the feeling that you've aced an interview only to not get it is excruciating. When you know you were only even considered because of a personal connection, it's even more demoralizing. At least Sarah got a phone call and an explanation why; such basic courtesy has become virtually non-existant in the modern economy. I'm glad she didn't slip right into her dream job though; that's not how real life works. Even happy endings take hard, sustained work to achieve.

At my high school job, I worked with a kid that had Asperger's. If there was work to be done and the procedures were clearly defined, he did very well. If a situation called for flexibility and rapid adaptation, he was helpless. Very polite, very friendly, but absolute hell to spend a six hour shift on a slow day with. There are instinctual social boundaries that you don't even notice until you encounter someone who doesn't comprehend them. I would find myself getting angry with him without understand exactly what he did that made me angry. I couldn't understand why he made what were to me blatantly obvious mistakes, because I didn't understand how he perceived the world. Max here is more petulant than the guy I'm talking about, in the way that grade schoolers tend to be, but certain moments rang true - especially the obsessive focus on a few core interests. My coworker loved poker. He could explain all of the intricacies and different hands and psychology etc. for hours on end if given the chance. I loved seeing Tom Amandes pop up as the psychiatrist; he gets typecast as pompous jerks, when he's so much better in warm roles like this one.

The tragedy in the case of this family is that the emotional commitment that Adam and his wife need to devote to Max means that their older daughter Haddie is effectively ignored. Her confession about the pot was her crying out and saying, I'm going through some stuff and I can't handle it on my own. But her parents, still rocked by the Aspergers diagnosis, barely took the time to process it before refocusing on problem #1. I can't say I'd have done any different in their schools, but that's going to have bigger consequences down the road.

The focus on Julia's outburst about the New Age mommy not even working seemed to be on the alienated soccer moms, but I wondered how her husband felt; here he's given up his career so she can pursue hers and still have a family, and she basically dismisses that sacrifice with a snort. If I were in his shoes, I'd be pretty pissed.

Crosby still hasn't come to terms with being a father. He's still in flight mode.
post #10 of 97
The intro reminds me of the Wonder Years.  This show has some good music.
post #11 of 97
I like the show. I hope people give it a chance.
Great cast. Sometimes the humor seems a bit forced but overall good vibe from the show.
I do wish they would give Bonnie Bedelia something to do though.
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I think she was Anne from "Arrested Development" too.

Who?
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Who?
 


George Michael's girlfriend, Bland. I mean Ann.
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George Michael's girlfriend, Bland. I mean Ann.

What is she funny or something?
post #15 of 97
This interexchange is making me miss Arrested Development all the more...
post #16 of 97
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Another good episode. So far, this show doesn't do big episodic plots; instead each hours is full of the sort of exceptionally well-observed moments that we all have. The sad shot of Sarah and Amber trying to share a single bed made me feel a whole lot better about my own life; it's the kind of moment when you ask, "Can things get any worse?" So far, the only storyline that isn't working for me is Julia and Mr. Mom. Julia and Sydney don't seem to have any real chemistry, and much like Julia herself, we find ourselves on the outside looking in. All of the moments that would make us connect with Sydney as a character happen with Joel offscreen. The storyline that's working the best for me is the Adam and Kristina storyline, both because Peter Krause is an incredible anchor and because we're right there in it with them, and with Haddie too. Lauren Graham makes virtually every moment she shares with her on-screen kids touching and/or memorable. The three of them have a sort of shorthand directness that allows them to express more to each other in a few words than the other characters express with whole scenes of dialog. Dax Shepard is the real suprise so far, coming off a career of playing pricks in dumb comedies and reality shows. He's doing really great and often quite subtle work here, and makes you buy that he's the father of this little stranger instantly. Crosby and Jabar have great chemistry; you can tell that the little kid that plays Jabar trusts Shepard.
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Another good episode. So far, this show doesn't do big episodic plots; instead each hours is full of the sort of exceptionally well-observed moments that we all have.

I don't know if you watch Friday Night Lights, but it's basically a Katims hallmark.  This is really a companion show.

Also, terrific music.

post #18 of 97
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Also, terrific music.

I've also been wowed by the songs. Using a Bob Dylan classic for your theme song is a bold choice, but the show has great, apropo tunes scattered throughout the episode.

The rhythm of this show is sort of strange. Instead of television's traditional four act structure, it flows with a more cinematic three-act structure and devotes the final act break to resolution. When the show breaks for commercials around the 10:45 mark, I find myself reaching for the clicker before I do a double-take on the time. For instance, tonight's episode "felt" like it was over on the beat with Adam standing outside his daughter's bedroom door listening to his wife explain him.

That's not a criticism; I reach for the remote because I've been trained by convention to do so, but the quality is such that the "extra" amount of show is a pleasant surprise. It wouldn't work on a more plot-heavy show, but it works here. Every character earned their moments tonight. Mae Whitman has a tremendous balancing act to perform, and she does it masterfully. Not only does she have to go up against the phenomenal Lauren Graham week after week, but she has to pull off a mixture of confidence and insecurities for Amber that are opposite of Sarah's; Amber forgives Sarah for things that Sarah would find unforgivable, and punishes Sarah for offenses that Sarah would find minor. One minute she's describing how to wage war on parents with sardonic self-reflection while taking a drag on a cigarette; the next she's a natural caregiver with Sydney. Dax Shepard did a terrific job of conveying the warmth that makes Crosby so naturally likable, while demonstrating the selective listening that is at the root of his flaws. Craig T. Nelson finally got a moment to a shine with that scene in the bathroom where he starts reminiscing about his sexual highs and lows while Drew, mid-grip, stands frozen and aghast under the running water. No one else could have played it as well. I enjoyed the other storylines, as well.
post #19 of 97
Maybe it's the quality of the cast, but they found their footing quick.  Maybe from the word go.  It's the best new show on TV by far, but it's shedding viewers every week.
post #20 of 97
Another good one.  I'm glad Crosby finally broke the news to Katie.  He probably could have handled it a little better.  I thought Drew and Sarah were a little rough on Adam, since they know how Max can be.  Adam's probably the best TV father since Coach Taylor, and he has the added burden of being the father figure for not only his nieces and nephews, but his siblings as well.  I hope we get more of this than The Unusuals, which was another brilliant show with criminally low ratings.  It bit it after ten.
post #21 of 97
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One of the few good things about the recession is that the networks have refocused on family dramas about decent people making decisions that, while imperfect, are to the best of their abilities. I'm really enjoying "LIfe Unexpected" over at the CW, and I'm really enjoying this as well. Dax Shepard has played a lot of unlikable characters in a lot of mean-spirited comedies, so it's a real joy to see him make the potentially unlikable Crosby into someone we can really root for. He and Sarah are running neck and neck for the most flawed of the four siblings, but Sarah has had to be an adult for a lot longer than Crosby has. It's fascinating watching him make decisions about things that have long been settled for the other three siblings, for better or worse. I like that he solicits advice from his siblings and actually listens to it, but still has the strength of character to make his own decisions when his instincts tell him to. The last scene outside Jasmine's door was a real stand up moment for him. I really hope that Jabar turns out to be his.

To understand Sarah's dressing down of Adam, you have to understand that she's been a working poor single mother for a decade, if not longer. She's been the only thing standing between her kids and the big bad world for a long, long time. Intellectually she probably understood that her brother had no choice but to take Max for yogurt, but she wasn't in an intellectual place for that confrontation. Another in a long line of men had hurt her son, and this time that man was her own brother. She felt just as betrayed as Drew did.

The nice thing for Adam about the Asperger's diagnosis is that it allows him to justify to himself the steps he needs to take for Max in a way that he couldn't when Max was just the weird kid with behavioral problems. You get the sense that he's been internalizing a lot of frustration and failure for a long time now, and he's finally starting to let it out. By letting Sarah's condemnation blow over him and then confessing everything about where he's coming from, he ceded a bit of his position as the strong sibling that fixes everybody's problems. But it left him and Sarah in a much better place than if he'd kept it to himself. I don't watch "Friday Night Lights", but I definitely agree with you that Adam Braverman is the best TV dad on the air right now. Peter Krause gives an outstanding performance in a very understated role.

The ratings aren't fantastic, but they're still comfortably within renewal territory by NBC's standards. Unless it takes a nosedive over the rest of the season, I'll be really surprised if this show isn't back in the fall.
post #22 of 97
That's good to hear.  I don't know much about ratings, but I get concerned when I see all of these "NBC falters with Parenthood" headlines.  It seems to get Chuck numbers--between 5 and 7 million--and I don't know if that's good or bad, but hopefully it's enough after the fall of the Jay Leno show.

I understood why Sarah was so mad at Adam, but it was kind of frustrating since we saw Max's tantrum as it happened in the house and in the car.  There's nothing you can do but give in, and I know Adam is going to be a good, reliable father figure to Drew in the future.  I do wish Drew had gotten on the phone with Max, since he had had a way of talking him into playing baseball throughout the episode, even when he didn't want to when Adam asked.  This new turn is going to ultimately be good for all three of them, as Max is really opening up around Drew, and Drew is doing the same.

I need to check out Life Unexpected.  I've heard it's good, but I had forgotten about it.  Since I've missed something like 11 episodes, I doubt if they are all up on OnDemand (if OnDemand even carries it).
post #23 of 97
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That's good to hear.  I don't know much about ratings, but I get concerned when I see all of these "NBC falters with Parenthood" headlines.  It seems to get Chuck numbers--between 5 and 7 million--and I don't know if that's good or bad, but hopefully it's enough after the fall of the Jay Leno show.

The ratings expectations are different for a 10 PM show versus an 8 PM show. An 8 PM show is always going to need higher ratings to stay alive. This is why a lot of niche shows have thrived in the timeslot.

Since the first episode, I haven't been able to stop thinking how frustrating it must be to be Adam. His entire life is compromises, and it's so nice to see a decent portrayal of a father on television. There was a long stretch where TV fathers were either simply out of the picture, deadbeats, or comical buffoons. It's almost like television had to invert the "Father Knows Best" era before things could normalize.
 

Life Unexpected is a bit more soapy, being on the CW, and the parents are way more flawed (there's a reason they didn't have custody of their daughter for her first sixteen years) but it's another show that cares about its characters and shows them as caring, loving and often intelligent people.

post #24 of 97
That girl was freakin adorable when she said "she couped me and I didn't even want to be the princess!"
post #25 of 97
That was a great line, although at her age I thought coup would not be in her vocabulary.
post #26 of 97
My wife and I have been hooked on this show from the first episode.

The ensemble is stunning.  Coincidentally, we started watching Season 1 of Gilmore Girls at about the same time as this show started.  So, I now have a mad crush on Lauren Graham (which I have already noted in the "Tribute to Brunettes" thread in AHL). 

It was strange that NBC was running promos for this week's episode a full week before last week's episode aired.  We are now in the second full week of the "Women fake orgasms" promo.  After last week's episode, my wife turned to me and said, "Where was the 'faking it' storyline?"

I am most amazed at how effortlessly the writers weave together the different family storylines.  All the players are solid...including the children.  I agree with many of the comments here about cast, music, etc. 

I hope the show catches a strong foothold in the NBC lineup.  Among other things it's nice to see a solid scripted family drama on network TV.  
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I am most amazed at how effortlessly the writers weave together the different family storylines.  All the players are solid...including the children.  I agree with many of the comments here about cast, music, etc. 

I hope the show catches a strong foothold in the NBC lineup.  Among other things it's nice to see a solid scripted family drama on network TV.  

Same here. I did not think it would be possible to work in all the big names in TV, but I am surprised. I thought this would be a copycat of Brothers & Sisters, but so far, I am liking this show better.
post #28 of 97
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Tonight's hour just flew by. I was pretty immersed in all of the storylines. Sarah is headed for a trainwreck with Amber's teacher, who is the perfect guy that just happens to be off-limits. It's not just that he's Amber's teacher, it's that he's the teacher that Amber's crushing on. When a kid's had as many disappointments as Amber's had, you shouldn't take something that innocent away from her. Adam feels his manhood is threatened when he finds out that Kristina fakes it sometimes, not realizing that that has everything to do with the constant stress of what they're up against and nothing to do with his performance. Julia's fears about Raquel are confirmed, but putting an end to it would mean destroying her daughter's first and deepest friendship. She's the high achiever who's managed to have it all so far, so she's not used to having to make choices like this. Eventually she decides to be a parent first and a jealous spouse second.

My favorite storyline was Crosby's, though. For once, he got the timing on everything exactly right; he waited until he knew for sure before telling his parents, but more importantly he waited until he had a relationship with his son before telling his parents. He had the credibility of someone who has taken the first steps down the road of being a parent. The scene where he first introduces them was sublime: Crosby and Jabar pull up, and you can see the comfort level that's developed between them. Cut to the parents, who are visibly excited to meet their new grandkid. They come around the corner, and are stunned to see he's black. Both of them lock up, and all of the excitement drains away. Crosby and Jabar stroll up, lost in their own little world together, and miss all of this. Then Jabar says hi, and the rigidity melts away. By the time he shakes their hands, Jabar has completely won them over. All the scenes that follow are them seeing a side of their son they probably didn't have much faith even existed.
post #29 of 97
The shot of the Braverman plate was nice.  I like the Cros.  I hope we catch up on how Crazy Katie is handling his fatherhood soon.  Maybe this is stupid, but I thought it was cool that even this early, the show was comfortable with Crosby talking about Adam and Julia with joke names--"Judge Judy" and now I can't remember his name for Adam--without holding our hands to let us know who he meant.  I'm not sure Lila's bribery method with Max is all that great, but maybe it'll end up working over the long haul.  I'm a little skeptical.  Guacamole is a great name for a lizard, though.
post #30 of 97
I'm really liking Parenthood and was glad to see that it won the 18 - 49 demo against the other 10pm shows last Tuesday.

I know some people call it "bribery" but really it's bargaining and it's a valuable lesson for Max to learn. He simply can not always have his way all the time.

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