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post #1 of 48
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I wasn't waiting for this. But I wanted to post because I was amused by the cast. What are they thinking? Why so many Reality TV people who are not actors or stars? Sure, these people should take advantage of the opportunities, but I have to say I had enough of these reality people. The Bachelor and the Kate, enough!

And what was Buzz Aldrin thinking? He's an American hero. He didn't need to do this. Maybe he thought it was fun. And I guess having a Gold Medal Olympian in the line-up is good for ratings. I didn't have an issue with that.

I like watching this show for the competition, I don't know much about dancing. So it will be interesting I guess to see how this group works out.  If the ratings were down last year, and they want to get them up this year, does this cast cut it?

Buzz Aldrin (astronaut) and Ashly Costa (formerly Ashly DelGrosso)
Pamela Anderson (actress; Baywatch alum) and Damian Whitewood (new pro)
Erin Andrews (ESPN reporter) and Maksim Chmerkovskiy
Shannen Doherty (actress; Beverly Hills, 90210 alum; ex-wife of Season 9 contestant Ashley Hamilton) andMark Ballas
Kate Gosselin (former Jon & Kate Plus 8 matriarch) and Tony Dovolani
Evan Lysacek (Olympic gold medalist figure skater) and Anna Trebunskaya
Niecy Nash (comedian-actress) and Louis van Amstel
Chad Ochocinco (wide receiver for Cincinnati Bengals) and Cheryl Burke
Jake Pavelka (The Bachelor) and Chelsie Hightower
Nicole Scherzinger (singer) and Derek Hough
Aiden Turner (All My Children star) and Edyta Sliwinska


post #2 of 48
I only see two Reality TV people in the mix, so unless you're talking about the entire history of the show (or you're including all non-entertainer types), two doesn't seem like "so many".

As ever, the show title requires quotes like this:  Dancing with the "Stars".

If that Bachelor guy can actually dance, I may watch the Chelsie numbers.  Anyone catch her in the SI Swimsuit edition?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010_swimsuit/video/chelsie-hightower.html

I wish that video were, like, 10 minutes long.  And included bodypainting.

post #3 of 48
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Forgot to mention, the pros are a bit different this year too. Nice to see most of the pros coming back.

One new pro has joined the cast. And Derek's sister is not back. I thought she got to be too much about her and her efforts to take advantage of the opportunities the dancing notoriety gave her. Which I understand.
post #4 of 48
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Hanson, my reaction was from seeing Kate in the line-up and then seeing the bachelor guy just off his show and onto this was a bit much. So yes, you're right, it's only 2 reality people. I hesitate to call them stars. I don't think they are.

I don't have cable and I've never seen Jon and Kate, but I've seen enough from the news about their break-up. I thought she had her time! Now if they got Jon on too, then that would have been more interesting stunt casting.
post #5 of 48
Why couldn't they get Plushenko on this season of DwtS?  Each week, he and Lysacek's dance-off could have been epic.  Of course, not sure if there's a quad in ballroom dancing, or latin dancing...
post #6 of 48
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Good one Patrick!
post #7 of 48
There are different types of stars and they're both reality TV stars. I'm not sure why the need to downgrade their stardom? 11 million people watched as Jake tried to decide who he was going to propose to. Jon & Kate's breakup was on your local news? There's a reason for that. I believe she was also a guest host on The View. The entertainment industry has never been about people "deserving" their fame, so I'm not sure what working definition you guys are using that these folks aren't living up to.
 
BTW, I think Melissa Rycroft went from The Bachelor to Dancing With The Stars last year. I actually thought they might tap Tenley Molzahn after she did her little dance number on The Bachelor. Speaking of which, I couldn't remember her name, so I just typed "Tenley" on Google, and she was the number one hit. If these people aren't stars, they're certainly famous.
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Speaking of which, I couldn't remember her name, so I just typed "Tenley" on Google, and she was the number one hit. If these people aren't stars, they're certainly famous.

Is there even one other person named Tenley on the planet?

post #9 of 48
Tenley's got a nice dancer's bod, too.
post #10 of 48
That might have helped. ;) My point remains, though. I'm curious of the criteria used to define "star" that these people aren't meeting.


post #11 of 48
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The issue I have with reality people being called a "star" is that they didn't do any kind of activity that would earn or warrant it. 

They didn't display any talent in acting, music or have a resume of TV shows or film projects where they have been part of the cast, other then the reality show. They don't have any athletic ability that got them onto any professional sports where they become a known entity and would have fans. And they are not professional musicians with a resume of recordings.

So having had eight children or gone on a TV show to find love is like a game show contestant. I concede that as a result of their appearance on these TV shows, they've become celebrities and are then known entities.  If you define celebrity, it is a famously recognized person, widely known and also defined as someone honored and acclaimed.

So in my mind, a star is someone who is, or has had been at the top of his/her game in the entertainment field, in films, TV or stage. I guess that might be an old fashioned way to see it. Isn't that the original definition?

The producers of Dancing With the Stars can use whatever criteria they see fit. So it's up to them to cast the show as they see would garner the most interest. They may have done so because Kate probably still has some fans out there. I don't know about the Bachelor and if he has any fans left. 

I had a look at Wikipedia for the cast of the first season. They did have a bachelorette, a boxer, 2 actors and 2 actresses. So the precedent for reality person goes all the way back to the original season. The second season had no reality people, the third year did have a reality person. And it goes on. So my issue is separate from the dancing show when it comes down to it. Are reality people deserving of the title, Star. For me, no. Certainly, some use the fame to advantage and build a career in the entertainment field. That I can respect.

That's my 2 cents.
post #12 of 48

In my mind, there are two misnomers in the phrase "Reality TV Star".  As much as you have issues with these people being called "stars" I loathe that the term "reality" is used to describe the shows themselves.

I've never watched DWTS, and I don't plan on watching it - but I do find their list of contestants interesting.

post #13 of 48
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So Jason, what is it about Reality you loathe? Do you mean these shows are contrived? My sense is because there are cameras following these people around, that there's a certain amount of pretense and "acting" going on. That the behavior is really for the camera and not natural and not real?
post #14 of 48
"Unscripted" would be a better term to me, than "Reality".  Contrived?  Yes, in oh so many ways.  Some of these shows are so ridiculous, I can't believe they pass as "entertainment".

Feel free to ask me to pull the plug on my rant and I'll shut up...

What's realistic about many of these shows, anyway?  Not only are the situations contrived (Survivor, Big Brother, The Bachelor, etc.) but the contestants are, too.  They know the producers want "personalities" so they take it to the extreme.  "Hey, let's lock an 85 year old WWII veteran in a room with two 20-year old cross-dressing homosexual men, a fresh-from-the-streets prostitute, and Mr. T and see what happens!"  Puh-lease.  I watched the first season of Survivor and American Idol, then got bored and quit about halfway through the second season.  I watched one season of "The Amazing Race" and enjoyed it.

I do give a little more credence to shows that require some degree of talent or skill on the part of the contestants - but not much.  The only show that falls into this category that I do watch is "Top Chef" and even I feel that the first season was the most "genuine" of all of them.  Until this last season, it seemed like there was a growing trend of showing more of the "drama" between the contestants than the actual competition itself.  That really bugs me, and is part of the reason that while I like Top Chef, I just can't bring myself to even give "Hell's Kitchen" a chance because it's all about the over-the-top antics and endless yelling by the top dude than it is about learning and watching the chefs cook.

Even watching some of the new "game shows" (Deal or No Deal, Am I Smarter than a 5th Grader) are painful because the contestants are such annoying, overly dramatic idiots.  Put me in front of "Jeopardy!" any day of the week, and I'm happy.  Spare me the extra half hour of pointless tension building, bug-eyed reactions, and thinking-out-loud of these new shows.

I know there are a lot of other shows out there, many of which I've never seen (I just don't watch that much TV these days - who knew having twins would eat into my time so much!).

They simply aren't my cup of tea, but to each his own.

There, I feel a little bit better! 
post #15 of 48


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"Unscripted" would be a better term to me, than "Reality". 

I agree in that I don't like the word "reality" applied to pure competition shows like this one.

I think a true reality show is one that shows behind the scenes stuff or people going about their lives or work like The Real World or some of the other cable reality shows, and I don't count showing a bit of the dance rehearsal.

For example, I don't consider American Idol to be a reality show- it's a talent show.

Probably the worst use of the word was when the Emmys nominated a game show host for best reality host.

As for the word "stars", they really mean celebrities, but stars sounds better.

post #16 of 48
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 Jason, I'm in total agreement of your post. Thanks. Unscripted is a good definition. Yes, the whole idea of deliberately putting such opposing types together is totally a set-up to get maximum reactions.

I don't watch any of those shows you mention, especially Survivor. I don't watch American Idol either, though I agree with Chris, it is a talent show. 

Though Dancing With the Stars is a competition show and a sort of game show too. I watch for the competition and improvements. Though I dislike the quality they've always incorporated, which is like your example above, they add an older celebrity to the mix or a goofy celebrity knowing full well they have no chance of winning. They're there either to see how badly they do, or for the comedy that Cloris Leachman brought. They're pandering.

I also watch it for the ladies. I'll be honest!
post #17 of 48
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"Hey, let's lock an 85 year old WWII veteran in a room with two 20-year old cross-dressing homosexual men, a fresh-from-the-streets prostitute, and Mr. T and see what happens!"

Now THAT I would watch!  :)

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I agree in that I don't like the word "reality" applied to pure competition shows like this one.

I think a true reality show is one that shows behind the scenes stuff or people going about their lives or work like The Real World or some of the other cable reality shows, and I don't count showing a bit of the dance rehearsal.

You are giving The Real World and its ilk WAY too much credit.  Those kids are all aspiring actors who are fed lines and situations by producers and writers (although they may not call them that, 'cause they don't want 'em joining the WGA and demanding union contracts).

Even "unscripted" is kinda pushing the envelope.

post #18 of 48
One aspect of these shows that I forgot to mention, but these recent posts have reminded me of, is the important part that editing plays in all of this.

Many of these shows (Top Chef included) sequester the contestants and have cameras rolling 24/7.  Several hundred hours of raw footage is condensed into MAYBE 25 hours for an entire season.

Producers get to pick and choose what they show the audience - playing up specific aspects of player's relationships, focusing on an argument, or whatever.  It's theater - the performers simply aren't always professional actors.

Top Chef has had a "reunion" show after each season finale, where they get the contestants together to discuss the season.  Almost every single time they've done this show, some of the contestants mention how when they saw the final episodes, they were shocked at how they were portrayed or how they came across to viewers.  Even contestants who seemed completely at odds and antagonistic towards one another during the show admitted afterwards that their differences weren't nearly as severe as they were made out to be on the show.
post #19 of 48
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That's very true Jason. While I didn't watch this season's Bachelor. The controversy that came out about one girl who was having an affair with one of the producers and one of the other girls who hated another girl sounded like it was totally edited for the effect they wanted. I only know because it made the news on the morning talk shows.

Anyway, about Dancing, I thought it was honest. There's no controversy, except last year several of the "stars" and pros were hurt by the rigors of the training.
post #20 of 48

I've never watched this show, but it's unavoidable with E! constantly reporting each week what happened.

When I saw the lineup for this season, my immediate thought was that Scherzinger is on a hiding to nothing: she's practically a professional dancer in the first place, so if she doesn't win, that'll just look bad.  Although to be fair if she finishes second to a gold-medal Olympian figure skater, which is sort-of like dancing, that's OK.

 

I too was puzzled by why Buzz Aldrin would participate.  But I suppose he might have been a recreational ballroom dancer all his life, and he thought this might be fun.

 

What odds Pammy wears overly revealing outfits? 

post #21 of 48
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 Ah, that's the tricky part of this show. They've had singers on before who dance. But the rigors of the specific dances they do on this show require likely different moves. I don't know what kind of dancing this girl does, but it's likely a lot less formal then the specifics the judges require here. But her pro partner is very good and he has the talent to teach her to win.
post #22 of 48
Brooke Burke is the new co-host for DwtS!

post #23 of 48
The new season starts tonight!
post #24 of 48
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Pretty impressive debut. 

I feel bad for Ashly, Buzz Aldren's partner. She may have a very short stay. 

And it may be a short stay for Edyta too.

All the ladies did really well and Brooke wasn't bad as co-host.
post #25 of 48
The fake audience applause/yelling track they play when couples are dancing, and the camera pans around and no one is clapping annoys the crap out of me :(
Edited by Spero D - 3/23/10 at 4:40am
post #26 of 48
I just hope Buzz doesn't break a hip this season.
post #27 of 48
I thought it was funny when Evan Lysacek said to Anna Trebunskaya that he hoped she doesn't hold it against him, that he beat her fellow Russian countryman Plushenko, for the gold medal, and she said, "It was his own fault."

The way Buzz Aldrin moved last night, I doubt he'll be around long either.
post #28 of 48
After all the hype over Kate Gosselin being on the show (I saw a ton of commercials that mentioned her), she wasn't too impressive -- on or off the dance floor.

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After all the hype over Kate Gosselin being on the show (I saw a ton of commercials that mentioned her), she wasn't too impressive -- on or off the dance floor.

 

She is supposedly causing trouble off-camera also..

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Drama! 'Dancing with the Stars' insider says Kate Gosselin is always late for hair and makeup

Wednesday, March 24th 2010, 4:00 AM

 
Larkey/ABC
A 'Dancing with the Stars' insider says Kate Gosselin is notorious for being late to hair and makeup.

 

There's already been drama along with the dips on this season's "Dancing With the Stars": Sources say that despite the lineup of known prima donnas like Shannen Doherty and Pamela Anderson, it's Kate Gosselin who's causing the trouble.

The worst of the reality TV mom's antics? Her out-of-control tardiness.

"Kate shows up late for hair and makeup every time," a show insider says of the rehearsals that led to Monday night's opener, which drew a record-breaking 22.8 million viewers.

A rep for the ABC program says, "Kate is always on time and is a pleasure to work with," but the insider begged to differ.

"The staff has warned her and lectured her about being late, but Kate just gets angry and blows them off," says the source. "No one wants to deal with her."

While such behavior may be expected from the notoriously short-fused Gosselin, the spy says the "Dancing" staff initially feared that former "Beverly Hills 90210" star Doherty would be the troublesome hoofer.

"Everyone had heard the stories of Shannen's behavior on sets when she was younger," says the source. "But she's been one of the easiest people to work with. She's practically the opposite of Kate."

The same can be said for their onstage performances. While Shannen  did well on the show's premiere, Kate tanked. In fact, the judges placed her third to last with a score of 16 out of 30, putting her just in front of 80-year-old former astronaut Buzz Aldrin.

It's not just her pliés that Kate may be having trouble with. Our insider says the demographic she's trying to impress just isn't going to buy it.

"Kate tried to appeal to the housewife vote by saying, 'This is for all the moms out there!'" sneers the source. "But really, what kind of mom leaves their kids at home for a dance competition?"


 


Edited by todd s - 3/24/10 at 7:20am
post #30 of 48
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 Woah, what was up with Cheryl this week, looked like she and Chad had words after their dance. Or maybe I was reading into it. He wasn't commenting very much afterwards and Cheryl was doing most of the talking. Or maybe Chad was just upset with the performance or judges.

I don't watch ESPN, or any cable, but Erin Andrews is quite a knock-out!

Funny how Derek is always paired with the stars who have strong dancing ability potential.

As for Kate, I don't blame her pro Tony for losing it in practice. I don't know much about her except from the entertainment shows, but she seems very difficult. And she can't dance! Maybe she did push her ex-husband away.
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