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Maybe the coolest device I've seen in a while

post #1 of 17
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Lenovo's U1 Snapdragon flip power box... this has maybe one of the coolest tricks I have ever seen in a device.





This could be one of the coolest concepts I've seen in forever... a Snapdragon based Google OS (Android) slate, that when connected to a dock instantly converts to Win7 and device memory looks like a USB device.
post #2 of 17
I agree.  That is cool.  There are times when I think it would be great to have a tablet, but I need a full featured laptop more often.  This is a great solution to get you the best of both worlds.  Makes you wonder why Apple didn't come out with a Macbook like this.
post #3 of 17
I agree with Andy Ihnatko on this one.  Compared to the ipod touch/ipad/iphone all of these Windows based devices look like they have a half second lag from where your finger is to what the device is doing.  Whats the problem?  I experienced it myself when we used the Surface device.  It's not a fun experience.  It's like shutter lag on a cheap ass digicam.

You can actually see it in that video.  It looks slooooowwwww.   The action is occuring 3 inches behind where his finger is.
post #4 of 17

I have an HP touchsmart that has no issues/lag under either Vista or Win7.  What you saw in the video was a TP running Android.  It doesn't run Win7 until it it docked in the laptop chassis.

post #5 of 17
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Sam-

Actually, the pad itself is running a Snapdragon processor, with an early edition Android OS.  When it's docked, it runs seven.  So, you're seeing the Snapdragon take over.. However, I spent yesterday dealing with a snapdragon based touchpad.

 

I had a chance to play with one of the snapdragon touchpads running mini-linux last week; and slow isn't how I'd classify it.  Response was very, very fast.. probably the fastest response I've had on a touch screen device.  (Note: the device I played with wasn't a Lenovo, but another manufacturer, but same idea).. Snapdragon & Android OS seem to make a pretty unique fit together.    Android has two insanely cool features which are works-in-progress but slick: handwriting recognition for easy input, and voice-to-type dictation capability powered by Google. 
 

Lenovo's key idea that's impressive is the easy changability from a laptop PC to a movable tablet.. and thanks to the way Android stores data,, it appears the same as a removable drive to Windows, allowing quick and easy movement of data from when you're on the laptop to when you're on the tablet.

I think what's great is that we're starting to see some real inovation in this.   I've been promised a chance to play with the HP Slate later this week.  

I'm really interested in the concept of a tablet, which would potentially come in handy, I've just got a short list of things I really need for it to matter.  So far, no one is hitting the right spot.. but I love the effort ;)

I've owned everything in this field going way back.  I owned an Apple Newton; a Compaq iPaq, treos.. lately, I've been all blackberry, to my now loved Blackberry Bold. 

But I'd love to get something that would fit that middle ground.  Easy access to written text or voice dictation; full web based access; etc.  But the most important feature I have to have from a tablet is that I need to have quick and easy connectivity to a printer.  That trump cards everything.  It has taken me forever to get my blackberry to send information quickly to an IP networked printer from an application (I could always email a printer and have that print) but now that I have IP based printing from a mobile device, it's the A #1 drop everything numero uno.  Nothing trump cards being able to walk into an office of a client, connect to my software and whammo! print out a document (read: invoicing) on local networked printers.  Since Android has Linux based printer hooks, this task should be fairly easy.  

Having a tablet where I can get a customers signature on a document, and print it out right on their printer?  Yeah, I've had tablet PCs that do that.. but that would be the ultimate.  Lenovo might be close with this.

post #6 of 17
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I think what's great is that we're starting to see some real inovation in this.   I've been promised a chance to play with the HP Slate later this week.  

Please post your impressions!
post #7 of 17
I'll take your word on it.  I can describe every touch screen I've ever encountered (with the exception of the iTouch and iPhone) in a single word:  disappointing.

The Microsoft Courier "leak" has me excited for sure.  Make a device (like Apple has!) that throws away all the old baggage and start new.  Tabula Rasa, clean slate!
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/09/23/microsofts-courier-tablet-concept-youd-leave-your-wife-for-it/
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/11/04/courier.gestures.ui.explained/

Not interested in anything that isn't a fresh start.  I'll not say never, but so far not impressed.
post #8 of 17
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I haven't seen the slate yet (next Tuesday), but the Lenovo here uses a totally new from ground up Android based setup.

As far as it goes, Windows 7 to me has been really good on a tablet; it's handwriting recognition and on tablet PCs, it's pretty effective, surprisingly so.

 

Hey, I own the iPod touch too.. and that's also a great unit.  But I've been really impressed with a lot of different touch devices for different purposes.

But the promise of HP's Slate is something that maybe can't be replicated with any other device right now.. when combined with the right point-of-sale software, and supposedly the option of a slim-clip device (for CC) it could be one of the coolest options ever for mobile point-of-sale.  In fact, couldn't just be one of the coolest items ever.. could be THE coolest item ever for that.

post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by mattCR View Post

Actually, the pad itself is running a Snapdragon processor, with an early edition Android OS.  When it's docked, it runs seven.  So, you're seeing the Snapdragon take over.. However, I spent yesterday dealing with a snapdragon based touchpad.

 

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Lenovo's key idea that's impressive is the easy changability from a laptop PC to a movable tablet.. and thanks to the way Android stores data,, it appears the same as a removable drive to Windows, allowing quick and easy movement of data from when you're on the laptop to when you're on the tablet.


You're using your laptop, running Windows 7 software, working on Office documents, checking Gmail in IE8. You pop out the tablet and...you're using a completely different device, different OS, different applications? Everything you were doing on the "laptop" is gone and you're in a completely different computing world? I've never thought, "if only my laptop would flip from OS X to Android and completely switch me out of my applications, when I take it off my desk and go into the living room."

I see the appeal of tablet-able laptop, that continues your work, if perhaps on a slower hardware, in a more convenient package. But a device with split personality that behaves completely differently when docked or undocked...do I understand correctly? Who wants that? It's interesting engineering. But it's so far off the usability map that it will never be more than a hyper-niche product.
post #10 of 17
Matt:

Did you get a chance to play around with the tablet?
post #11 of 17
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You're using your laptop, running Windows 7 software, working on Office documents, checking Gmail in IE8. You pop out the tablet and...you're using a completely different device, different OS, different applications? Everything you were doing on the "laptop" is gone and you're in a completely different computing world? I've never thought, "if only my laptop would flip from OS X to Android and completely switch me out of my applications, when I take it off my desk and go into the living room."

I guess I look at it the other way.  I take the tablet to a meeting, use it as a tablet and import all the data when I dock.  Its a good attempt at trying to combine the two worlds.
post #12 of 17
If Apple is "right", in that a tablet demands an OS and UI tailor-made for tablet use, an elegant laptop / tablet duo may be impossible. You'll always have profound compromises, such as this device has. This might be minimized when this system seamlessly runs e.g. Windows 7 regardless of being undocked. But then you're hamstrung by an OS and applications not fundamentally designed for touch / tablet use.
post #13 of 17
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 But then you're hamstrung by an OS and applications not fundamentally designed for touch / tablet use.

I think there are always going to be compromises (at least for the next few years) between touch an.  I have a touch computer running win 7 that I am pretty pleased with. 
post #14 of 17
There's always compromise :) (and I can only speculate about the iPad's usability). But some designs choose their compromises better than others; some designs are better than other's. Touch simply bolted onto Win7 or OS X is obviously an inferior design than a system intentionally and well designed for touch.
post #15 of 17
You can say the same thing about graphics / multiuser being laid on top of DOS =)
post #16 of 17
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I did.  Surprisingly, the one I played with was pretty effective.  It does run GoogleOS when undocked.  But a very neat trick is that whatever web pages you had open, documents open.. the moment you switch to the tablet, they follow.  So, I had this website open in Windows 7, undocked and it showed up on the Doc as well.. in Chrome on both, of course.

The concept is pretty slick and I'm surprised how fast the unit is on it's own for what it does.  The tablet portion is really effective at media display, better then I thought, with fairly fluid delivery of DiVX/XVID and Hulu.  So, that was slick.

There are some big hitches, though.   The keyboard is fairly blah, and it has the same problem I always have with touch typing on a touch screen.. that is to say, you can't.  The response time on the touch screen isn't bad, but it still leaves some to be desired.  The best features I didn't expect were a functional IR transmitter as a pad.  That could come in really handy if I could program it to act as a remote control :)

If the price on it is right, it fits a good demographic.

 

I played with a few touchscreen panels this week, including a few aimed at the service industry (like waiters) that I thought were surprisingly effective.  I think this could be a really interesting market segment this year.   But after seeing the ones aimed at waiters, I realize those are the kind of units I have the most interest in seeing how they could be hacked into something else.  They are very reminiscent of a Phillips Pronto but way more functional.  Those units struck me as potentially incredibly interesting.

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Originally Posted by mattCR View Post

It does run GoogleOS when undocked.  But a very neat trick is that whatever web pages you had open, documents open.. the moment you switch to the tablet, they follow.


I've heard this mentioned in pretty much all the coverage. If anything, it highlights the problem: "Why do my webpages sync, but nothing else?" Seems more like a gimmick until you get app developers to write separate compatible apps for both ends. But there isn't much overlap between Windows and Android.

Also, Google makes two OSes: Chrome (the not-yet-released officially sanctioned version of the open source Chromium) and Android. Both have a Linux core (probably not even the same one) but quite different otherwise. Based on the descriptions, less similar than Apple's OS X-based Mac and iPhone OSes.

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