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Originally Posted by gene c View Post
It does appear to do analog to hdmi.
Looking back, I see that now. I promise it wasn't on my screen before. I typed exactly what was on my screen. I think my computer has been having some kind of problem with how it displays pages. Something similar happened at another site. I also had a page just disappear, for no reason, earlier in this thread. Something strange is going on with my computer, and I don't like it. I recently had a new motherboard, new processor and new ram memory installed, after it died on me. I'm gonna have a talk with the guy at the computer store.............
Sorry for the mix up.

post #32 of 53
Thread Starter 
No problem, Ed, you have been very helpful. 

I found the Onkyo 707 for $520 shipped from an authorized dealer, although it is a refurbished unit.  Being that it is refurbished, I would only get a year warranty versus two if it were new.  The fact that I would love to have the receiver now tempts me to buy it but being that the price has been down to $499 on Amazon before, I would think it's just a matter of time before it is again. 

What are your thoughts - would you guys wait or take the plunge?
post #33 of 53
1- Multichannel is the original way to process the sound in a regular 5.1 channel receiver. Each sound channel is feed it to the receiver directly. Now, HDMI come to place because it eliminates the use of so many cables. Now, it does not mean that HDMI is 100% better, but 20% to 30% better.

2- In respect to the other questions, gene c is okay.

3- In the end it is going to be a difficult decision to make. It will come down to how comfortable you feel with either unit. I do not like Onkyo but it has better ratting in the sound area. I had no experience with the 1910( I went to Best Buy to test it, but they did not had it connected) but Cnet had it on top when it comes to graphic.

Good luck.
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post #35 of 53
Thread Starter 
JJa4151 - that's where I found the price.  

The only unfortunate thing is that because they reside in Florida (where I live), I would have to pay 35 bucks tax plus approx 15 bucks for shipping which would add 50 bucks to the $499.99 for a refurbished Onkyo 707.  It still may be worth it, but I'm just having a little difficult of a time justifying the expense when Amazon was selling brand new units for $499 (no tax and free shipping).
post #36 of 53
Thread Starter 
JJa451 - I'm very curious as I've heard from a couple of people who are pro-Onkyo - why do you not like Onkyo?
post #37 of 53
It is not that I do not like Onkyo, it is the fact that I had bad experience with their customer service. To me a product had to have different qualities and not just one. The fact that Onkyo has a good sound does not mean it is a solid unit. Now think about it. Onkyo has a good sound but not a great video. If you are watching a great movie such as Saving private Ryan you will want to connect the quality of the viewing with the sound. If you do not believe me, try it. Close your eyes while watching a good movie and you will notice that it is not the same. Now, if you are listening to music, it is different. Try to listen to Hotel California   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAM1g0oX4OE   or  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF3wTV2kkeo&feature=related  Please download it to a CD or DVD and take it to a place were the two unit are on. Now while listening to the sound close your eyes and try to percive the sound that are coming out of the speakers (try to use the best speakers that are connected to the system) I bet all the money in the world that there will be not a different between the system.
If you could not determined any different between the units, why pay more. Please try it and let me know.
post #38 of 53
I don't like Panasonic's customer service. I'll never own another Panasonic product because of it. I don't recommend Panasonic products to anyone either. But, I don't try to talk anyone out of Panasonic, if that's what they're interested in. A lot of people like Panasonic plasma tvs. I don't like plasmas, no matter what brand. I'll mention I don't like plasmas, and tell why, but I don't try to stop them from buying a Panasonic plasma.

I like both Denon and Onkyo, and Yamaha are ok too. I don't care for HK, Marantz, and some others. I have no real feelings one way or the other about Pioneer receivers. Of the one's I like, I think Onkyo is more bang for the buck. An awful lot of people have them, and like them a lot. I wonder why? I pushed them a little harder in this thread because I was asked what I liked, and was asked to explain the advantages of the Onkyo model over the Denon model. So I've pushed it a little more than usual, in this thread, because I was asked. It's fine if you don't like Onkyo or their customer service, but there's no need to try to talk people out of them, when they're interested, (and so many people like them) just because you had a bad experience with their customer service.
post #39 of 53

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(try to use the best speakers that are connected to the system) I bet all the money in the world that there will be not a different between the system.
If you could not determined any different between the units, why pay more. Please try it and let me know. 
 
I do not know why you could not understand that there will be no different between the system. Since there is no different, why pay more? It will be disrespetfull for us to start fighting about what we like or dislike when
post #40 of 53
If I may ask, does the Onkyo 707 accept a 1080p input and output the same to an HDTV?  I need a receiver that does that as well as internally decodes all the current HD audio formats. Too many receivers I have looked at only output 1080i at best. That seems to me to defeat the purpose of having a Blu Ray player. Thanks for any info.
post #41 of 53

 

I would like to know exactly what is your question.  Do you want to up convert regular DVD to 1080p? Is it a BD?  If it is a BD it is already 1080p so your receiver does not have to decode it or convert it to nothing.  If it goes in as 1080p it will come out as 1080p.
example: 

Signal Processing Features

  • HDMI Switching Yes
  • HDMI Version 1.3a
  • HDMI Pass-Through Up to 1080p
  • Video Conversion/Scaling Analog to HDMI up conversion
  • Upscaling via HDMI Up to 1080i


 

post #42 of 53


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Originally Posted by Don Mc View Post

If I may ask, does the Onkyo 707 accept a 1080p input and output the same to an HDTV?  I need a receiver that does that as well as internally decodes all the current HD audio formats. Too many receivers I have looked at only output 1080i at best. That seems to me to defeat the purpose of having a Blu Ray player. Thanks for any info.
Looks like it does.
It upscales to 1080p Over HDMI, and upconverts analog to HDMI.
Of course, an upconverted 1080p picture isn't going to look quite as good as a real 1080p picture from Blu ray, but you may not even notice unless they are side by side pictures.

post #43 of 53

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If I may ask, does the Onkyo 707 accept a 1080p input and output the same to an HDTV?  I need a receiver that does that as well as internally decodes all the current HD audio formats. Too many receivers I have looked at only output 1080i at best. That seems to me to defeat the purpose of having a Blu Ray player. Thanks for any info.
 

I think most any hdmi receiver will accept a 1080P signal and pass it thru as 1080P basically un-touched. There are some receivers that will only up-scale a lesser signal to 1080i. Usually older models or the entry level newer ones.

post #44 of 53


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Originally Posted by jja4151 View Post

 

I would like to know exactly what is your question.  Do you want to up convert regular DVD to 1080p? Is it a BD?  If it is a BD it is already 1080p so your receiver does not have to decode it or convert it to nothing.  If it goes in as 1080p it will come out as 1080p.


 
example: 

Signal Processing Features

  • HDMI Switching Yes
  • HDMI Version 1.3a
  • HDMI Pass-Through Up to 1080p
  • Video Conversion/Scaling Analog to HDMI up conversion
  • Upscaling via HDMI Up to 1080i


 

I want to connect a Sony BDP 560 to the receiver, and there was some confusion as to whether or not my current receiver (Sony DN1000) would take a 1080p input. The Sony manual is confusing on that subject. I was looking for a replacement for the Sony. Thanks for your response.

post #45 of 53


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Originally Posted by Ed Moxley View Post



Looks like it does.
It upscales to 1080p Over HDMI, and upconverts analog to HDMI.
Of course, an upconverted 1080p picture isn't going to look quite as good as a real 1080p picture from Blu ray, but you may not even notice unless they are side by side pictures.

 

Thanks, I appreciate the information.
post #46 of 53
I have a DN1000, Bravia 1080p 46", and infinity speakers myself. The DN1000 take the movie at 1080p and reproduce it at 1080p. When it comes to upscale, it can only go to 1080i. But, no receiver can upconvert regular dvd to 1080p. They alway tell you that it can go up to 1080p.(not that it will). To me the DN1000 is the best receiver for the money. I have my receiver connected to a set of infinity speakers and it is great. your BDP 560 will work fine with the DN1000. Trust me.
post #47 of 53
Thread Starter 
I just wanted to report that I finally made a purchase.  While I went back and forth between receivers many times, I ultimately found the receiver that I believe will best suit my needs.  I decided to purchase the Denon 1910 after all.  After continuing to do more reading about the Denon 1910, most of the reviews that I came across were pretty consistent in that it has superior video quality over the Onkyo.  As for audio quality, I don't believe Cnet was on mark.  Based on all other reviews I read, audio quality was rated very good.  Four HDMI inputs should be enough for my needs so that wasn't an issue, although I do like the HDMI input on the front of the Onkyo receiver.  It also came down to my confidence with Denon as my last two receivers have been Denon and are still working well.  The remote control is a non-issue as I will use my Logitech universal remote.  The other big factor was that I was able to get the 1910 for $411 (shipped) from an authorized Denon dealer after being able to apply a 25% coupon at the online store.

I now really look forward to receiving it and getting it hooked up in my living room!
post #48 of 53
To me, I would choose Onkyo. I used to have one.( used it for 10 yrs)
post #49 of 53
Thread Starter 
Received the Denon 1910 this weekend.  I look forward to hooking it up but may not have time until this weekend.  I'll report back after I have time to give it some tests.
post #50 of 53
Please let as know how it goes. Thank you.
post #51 of 53
Either reciever would meet your needs, but you wrote that you plan on hooking up your PC to the reciever.  So that should seal the deal for the Onkyo.
post #52 of 53
  I just bought a new receiver. I was looking at the Onkyo 707 and Pioneer 21 or 23 and leaning toward the Onkyo because of price and features. Then I was hearing about the heat. I looked at one in the store and it is definitely cooking. I couldn't leave my hand on top of it. I considered using some type of small fan to blow air over the top but I wound up going with the Pioneer 23. I was actually going to go with the 21 which is close to your price range I think but they were out and gave me $100 of the 23. I am glad I did I sold a Vsx-55 Elite to get it and I'm happy with it.
Will
post #53 of 53
I to have been looking at recievers to replace my 12 yr old Yamaha and the only reason I have not pulled the trigger yet, no money!  I have even looked into the lower end models like the Onkyo TX-SR707 and the Denon AVR-1910.  For me I need to have the analog inputs for my multi-channel DVD-A/SACD player.  And  for me the ability to add external amplification down the road is also important.  Both offer up to date decoding and a good amount of HDMI conductivity.  IMHO the THX certification is not so much of a plus to me anymore.  There are certain brands that are not certified that actually surpass THX requirements and choose not add the cost of the THX badge.  But I would how ever wonder about a product that tried and failed the THX certification process, like Bose!

The Onkyo appears to have 10 more watts than the Denon but in the real world the Onkyo may end up putting out the same or maybe less?  I agree with others that if you get the Onkyo do not close it in as the Onkyo's run hot.  Another thing I am not thrilled about on the Onkyo is that it caps the component video at 50MHz and the Denon caps it's component video at 60MHz.  Granted at it's price point there is a certain amount of things that will be cut back and that is why it is as cheap as it is.  It also seems to me that companies are cutting back on analog inputs on the lower end models so they can push the higher end offerings.  If you do not have alot of sources then ether one of these recievers should do well, just as long as you do not have a really big room.  I how ever would side with the Denon for build quality, slighty better components in certain places and customer service.  Onkyo does not seem to fare to well in the customer service area for some reason.  The best reciever is one that meets your needs and provides good a/v performance.

I like some of the top end models of Onkyo and I like some of the Marantz and Pioneer Elite models as well.  But for myself when all is said and done I will most likely wait to replace my Yamaha RX-V995 until I can afford to get ether a Denon AVR-4310 or the Denon AVR-4810.  I still will not rule out a Onkyo TX-NR5007 or a Rotel RSX-1560!

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Either reciever would meet your needs, but you wrote that you plan on hooking up your PC to the reciever.  So that should seal the deal for the Onkyo.
 

I do not think that the 707 has a ethernet connection.

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