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post #61 of 72
2/9/10 at 9:37pm
Elvis.  Sinatra.
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post #62 of 72
2/10/10 at 5:58am
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That is a good point and well taken.  Although, I did put the term "artist" in quotes in the original post for a reason.

But I dont think I remember a time Yo-Yo Ma (a cellist I realize) was drunk and dissorderly and spewed his hate for anyone.

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Certain art forms are collaborative in nature. So what? Is the violinist any less of an artist just because he or she didn't write the symphony?

Your initial question was explicitly about "artists". If you want to change it to one about people who are just famous, feel free -- but then there's not much left of the original question.


 
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post #63 of 72
2/10/10 at 8:03am
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That is a good point and well taken.  Although, I did put the term "artist" in quotes in the original post for a reason.

But I dont think I remember a time Yo-Yo Ma (a cellist I realize) was drunk and dissorderly and spewed his hate for anyone.

 



 

You've lost me. What does one musician's (non-artistic) conduct have to do with the nature of the art form?

If one wanted to generate a list of artists (quotes or no quotes) who aren't known for controversial behavior, it could go on for pages (though I'm not sure Elvis or Sinatra would make the cut).
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post #64 of 72
2/14/10 at 8:32am
I think he's talking about John Mayer.
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post #65 of 72
2/14/10 at 9:56am
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Actually no, I dont know much about John Mayer.  Well thats not exactly true after yesterday - It was on CNN something about some comment he made to Playboy or Penthouse.  And because of that I also know he dated Jennifer Anniston at some point.  But in reality, I am not talking about anyone in particular except where I gave an example.

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I think he's talking about John Mayer.
 
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post #66 of 72
2/14/10 at 10:08am
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I don't guess one has much to do with the other.  You used the example of a viloinist so I just went with it and mentioned a cellist that has never really been in the news for stupidity (that I know about).

I guess my only point was that really stupid behavior (or illegal, or simply against my belief system) becomes even more abhorent in my eyes when I dont even consider them an artist  - Just a celebrity for whatever reason.

And I completely agree that there are plenty of people that would make a "good person" list.

The most important point here is that it is ALL subjective.  And the reason for the thread was to understand if other people have their own subjective reasons for having trouble watching a movie or movies or listening to a musician.  I personally, as I have said, am having trouble disassociating the art from the artist because I am paying this person real money for their art.  The money though is not necessarirly going to their artform - It is going to them.  And it often feels (because they are now so newsworthy), that the money is being used to support their stupidity etc.


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You've lost me. What does one musician's (non-artistic) conduct have to do with the nature of the art form?

If one wanted to generate a list of artists (quotes or no quotes) who aren't known for controversial behavior, it could go on for pages (though I'm not sure Elvis or Sinatra would make the cut).
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post #67 of 72
2/15/10 at 9:52am
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Linda Ronstadt has said she doesn't like the thought of certain people she disagrees with being in her audience.  I think most creators say, "If you don't like it, don't buy it."  Few take it to the point where they would say they don't like certain members of their audience even being there.

 

Didn't Lauryn Hill say she didn't like white people listening to her music or something like that?
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post #68 of 72
2/15/10 at 10:07am
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Didn't Lauryn Hill say she didn't like white people listening to her music or something like that?

 


That's what I had always heard too but looking at Wikipedia, we're both wrong:

"An unsubstantiated rumor circulated that Hill made the following statement: "I would rather have my children starve than have white people buy my albums". MTV publicly disclaimed the quotation, and after a discussion on The Howard Stern Show, Hill herself called in to the show from Norway to refute it.[57] Hill has repeatedly asserted in interviews that this accusation is false, that she never made such statements, would never make such statements, and that she is in no way racist.[58]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauryn_Hill
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post #69 of 72
2/15/10 at 4:38pm
If I like an artist's work, regardless of how big a schmuck the artist is, was or will become, that does not detract from my liking of said artist's work.
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post #70 of 72
2/16/10 at 5:32am
While I don't agree with a lot of the subject matter in the lyrics of Rage Against The Machine, I have rocked out to them more times than I can remember.
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post #71 of 72
2/16/10 at 6:47pm
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While I don't agree with a lot of the subject matter in the lyrics of Rage Against The Machine, I have rocked out to them more times than I can remember.
 
Back in the 80's I was a Reagan Republican and a huge fan of The Clash.  Sure their politics were naive and juvenile, but I'm So Bored With the USA is a great song.
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post #72 of 72
2/19/10 at 7:48pm
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There have been examples.  Linda Ronstadt has said she doesn't like the thought of certain people she disagrees with being in her audience.  I think most creators say, "If you don't like it, don't buy it."  Few take it to the point where they would say they don't like certain members of their audience even being there.

That's odd- why does she care as long as they like her music? I imagine you could go to almost any concert, do a political poll, and find a wide range of views, but who cares? It should be about the music.

I like music based on the way it sounds, not any point of view it may be trying to get across (but then most music doesn't have any deep meaning). Lyrics are secondary to me, and even then I think it's more about the way the vocals sound than what the words mean. Some of the greatest songs have some dumb lyrics.
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