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post #31 of 572
1/7/10 at 10:51pm
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Originally Posted by Brent M View Post

Conan was a ratings disaster when he took over Late Night from Letterman too, but NBC didn't bail on him then. That show just happened to stay on the air for 16 years. I do hope Conan leaves NBC after all this and destroys them with a 11:30 show on ABC or FOX. What a pathetically run network.

I don't have the numbers right now....I'll try and find them.  But I guarantee you that Conan didn't lose half the viewers when he took over for Letterman. 
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post #32 of 572
1/8/10 at 6:41am
Does this mean Royal Pains, Psych, White Collar, Burn Notice, and even Monk at 10pm?  There isn't anything in the pipe for NBC.

The scary thing is some of those shows got better ratings on USA than Leno did.  Waaay better ratings.
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post #33 of 572
1/8/10 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon View Post

What an embarassment for NBC.  Maybe they should just run Supertrain reruns after the local news.

Johnny & Ed must be spinning in their graves.
 


Now THERE'S an 80's/Fred Silverman reference you don't see much anymore!
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post #34 of 572
1/8/10 at 7:27am

Someone help me remember the details. I thought that Jay Leno wanted to leave the Tonight Show and then after several months decided he still wanted to do it and and then he got the 10 spot. I really like Jay and either time but is he the one messing things up or is it NBC.

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post #35 of 572
1/8/10 at 7:34am
That's true.  Jay agreed to the decision to leave The Tonight Show in 2009, but started making noise that he wanted to keep working, either with NBC or elsewhere as the date approached.  As part of that agreement, NBC signed a contract with Conan giving him a huge payout if Conan didn't move to the 11:35 spot.  So this is very much like the Brett Favre situation in Green Bay.

I also dug the Supertrain reference and was going to say something in my last post but forgot.

Maybe they should bring back Supertrain, Manimal, and Pink Lady & Jeff as an homage to the disastrous Silverman years at NBC.  BTW, that's Fred, not Ben Silverman, although I never made that connection for some reason.
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post #36 of 572
1/8/10 at 9:23am
I'd be up for some Misfits of Science and maybe they can try and reboot Buck Rodgers (which is a Universal owned property).  Why not?  
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post #37 of 572
1/8/10 at 9:41am
They don't need to reboot Misfits of Science since Heroes is stinking up the schedule already
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post #38 of 572
1/8/10 at 9:41am
Letterman must be very amused by all of this.

(Supertrain! It's the Love Boat, only on a big-ass train! Genius!)
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post #39 of 572
1/8/10 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by mattCR View Post

I'd be up for some Misfits of Science and maybe they can try and reboot Buck Rodgers (which is a Universal owned property).  Why not?  

In all seriousness, doesn't NBC own Battlestar Galactica?  They could probably air a two-hour block of it every Friday and do better than Leno ...
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post #40 of 572
1/8/10 at 10:55am
They do own BSG.  Hell, they own Caprica.  Move Caprica to the major net.  ASAP.

Friday Night fantasy block.  Merlin->BSG->Caprica.

:)
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post #41 of 572
1/8/10 at 11:01am
I do watch Carson Daly when he interviews some hot actress or model that is criminally overlooked by the other chat shows.

You know, I could screw up NBC 90% as much for only 60% of the salary -- give me a one-year contract. For the bean-counters that own the network, I'd be a bargain.
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post #42 of 572
1/8/10 at 11:03am
A lump of shit on a Comcast prospectus could do a better job at this point.
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post #43 of 572
1/8/10 at 11:17am
I'm all for Supertrain.

I'd also like the old Leno Tonight Show back, from when it was entertaining.
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post #44 of 572
1/8/10 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood View Post

I'd also like the old Leno Tonight Show back, from when it was entertaining.

Isn't that from an alternate reality?
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post #45 of 572
1/8/10 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Greg Kettell View Post

Letterman must be very amused by all of this.

(Supertrain! It's the Love Boat, only on a big-ass train! Genius!)
 
I bet he is. He'll probably send a card to Conan saying "Welcome to the club."

Ferguson responded on his show last night. The show started with just a shot of his desk, with him nowhere to be seen. From off camera he said, "I'm sorry I can't be here tonight. I'm now appearing at 11:30 on NBC."

Then he talked about the situation a bit and ended it with "We'll be remembered as the ones who sucked the most. But what did we do? We sucked at the same damn time every night."
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post #46 of 572
1/8/10 at 12:40pm
BTW, through all of this... Jeff Zucker STILL has a job.

INCONCEIVABLE!
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post #47 of 572
1/8/10 at 1:20pm
Zucker must have compromising pictures of someone to keep that position for as long as he has with such pathetic results.
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post #48 of 572
1/8/10 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by EricSchulz View Post

Now THERE'S an 80's/Fred Silverman reference you don't see much anymore!

I'm here all week.  Try the veal.  And don't forget to tip the waitresses. 



Re-run complete Carson shows and we'd all be better off.  I don't care if the jokes are about the Nixon or Carter administrations.

Mark my words, Ferguson will be the one to come out of this whole group as the best talent of them all. 
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post #49 of 572
1/8/10 at 6:14pm
This debacle will likely cost Jeff Zucker his job at NBC Universal.

And this on top of the persistent rumors that NBC may end up losing a huge amount of money over the upcoming Winter Olympics in Vancouver, BC.

Meanwhile, CBS' decision to keep as many of their scripted dramas as possible on the 10 pm ET/9 pm CT slot looks really good right now, what with strong ratings lead-in for the late local news broadcasts on CBS affiliates and really strong ratings for The Late Show with David Letterman.
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post #50 of 572
1/8/10 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood View Post

I'm all for Supertrain.

I'd also like the old Leno Tonight Show back, from when it was entertaining.

Unfortunately, Johnny is dead :(
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post #51 of 572
1/8/10 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by Ray Chuang View Post

This debacle will likely cost Jeff Zucker his job at NBC Universal.

 

I'll believe it when I see it. He's driven the network into last place where it has stayed for a while now and he's still there.
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post #52 of 572
1/8/10 at 9:41pm
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Originally Posted by Ray Chuang View Post

This debacle will likely cost Jeff Zucker his job at NBC Universal.
If we're using history to judge, Comcast will probably make him its CEO.
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post #53 of 572
1/8/10 at 9:58pm
I wonder what 30 Rock will do with this...

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post #54 of 572
1/8/10 at 10:04pm
 Am I the only one here who absolutely loves Fallon's show? The Roots are amazing, he is very much at home at 30 Rock, perfect show.

Honestly I could care less about Jay or Conan.   Conan became bad when switched coasts, and Leno at 10 is awful -- the musical guests are mostly gone, the 10 at 10 thing is pathetic compared to guest at the show -- I never watched any of his comedy shtick anyway.  

If I was NBC I'd cancel Leno, and tell Conan that if says to a guest "there is so much to talk about" one more time, NBC security have been instructed to shoot him.  Cancelling Carson Daily would be a shame -- he gave up and coming musicians their best platform.

And if the Tonight Show gets pushed to 12:05, it means the first guest won't go on until 12:30 at the earliest.  All the A listers will go straight to Letterman where they will be on the air half an hour earlier.

Full disclosure -- I was a HUGE Johnny Carson fan -- stayed up every chance I had to watch the full 90 minutes of his show.  He didn't treat his guests as an afterthought to dumb comedy skits and his monologs were brilliant.  There is no one that come close these days, but Letterman and Fallon are the two guys who at least don't embarrass his tradition. 
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post #55 of 572
1/9/10 at 12:56am
Jay's opener last night:

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HERE'S SOME FRIGHTENING NEWS. KEV, THIS WILL INTEREST YOU. THE WORLDWIDE FUND FOR NATURE CAME OUT WITH ITS LIST OF 10 SPECIES MOST LIKELY TO BE EXTINCT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT NUMBER ONE WAS? US.

I GUESS YOU HEARD THESE RUMORS THAT NBC IS TALKING ABOUT CANCELING OUR SHOW. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? I DIDN'T SLEEP WITH ANY OF MY STAFF FOR NOTHING!

ACTUALLY, IF THEY DID CANCEL US IT WOULD BE AN EASY MOVE FOR ME BECAUSE I STILL HAVEN'T UNPACKED FROM THE LAST SHOW THEY CANCELED ME FROM. EVERYTHING IS STILL BACK THERE...SO IT'S NO PROBLEM.

TO BE FAIR, NBC IS WORKING ON A SOLUTION, THEY SAY, IN WHICH ALL PARTIES WILL BE SCREWED EQUALLY. THAT CERTAIN NBC TOUCH.

IT'S IN EVERY...IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. EVERYBODY IS COMMENTING ON IT. I EVEN SAW IT ON THE NEWS. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. (DROP-IN: OBAMA RESPONDS TO JAY STORY)

http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_14151210?nclick_check=1

Wow (sorry about the all caps, it's how the article/release is printed)

All I can think of is smarmy Jay in "The Night Shift"
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post #56 of 572
1/9/10 at 1:26am
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Originally Posted by Brent M View Post

I can't even begin to put into words how much this pisses me off. If NBC sandbags Conan by giving Leno 11:30 back I won't ever watch their network again. Leno should have just gone away like he promised he would when his contract was up and if he still wanted to do a show he should have taken his "talent" to ABC or FOX. While I enjoyed Conan more when he was at 12:30 because he was allowed to be edgier and not forced to appeal so much to the mainstream, the fact is that NBC made their choice giving him The Tonight Show. If I was Conan and they tried to take that away I'd sue their asses back to the stone age.

My sentiments exactly.

EDIT: If Conan does shift networks, It'll be interesting to see him get yet another new studio. It will also be tough to top the new one at Universal Studios (which was built for a pretty penny), which is really swank. I'm hoping he goes to ABC, because there's a network that is run well, and one that won't panic when the 60-year-old comics with older audiences are beating the mid-40s comic with the geerally young audience in the first 7 months. Come talk to me in 2020-25 when Leno and Letterman are retired or dead and let's see who's dominating the late night scene over the long haul here.....
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post #57 of 572
1/9/10 at 5:27am
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Am I the only one here who absolutely loves Fallon's show? The Roots are amazing, he is very much at home at 30 Rock, perfect show.

I thought I might be the only one.  I like Fallon, the Roots, Higgins and even some of the skits (Wheel of Carpet Samples, anyone?)
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post #58 of 572
1/9/10 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway View Post
Come talk to me in 2020-25 when Leno and Letterman are retired or dead and...
 

... so is Network TV.
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post #59 of 572
1/9/10 at 7:04am
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Originally Posted by Brent M View Post




I'll believe it when I see it. He's driven the network into last place where it has stayed for a while now and he's still there.

But with the bad economy currently, the head honchos at GE may not be so forgiving this time around. With the Leno-O'Brien fiasco and the potential looming fiasco over the finances of the Winter Olympics coverage, this may give the excuse for GE management (and possibly Comcast management!) to push Zucker out the door.
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post #60 of 572
1/9/10 at 7:27am
It's not about being forgiving.  There are no excuses at that level with the amount of failure Zucker has shepherded.

Zucker has some sort of spell over GE that has absolved him of blame, failure after failure.  For some reason, still they think he's the best person for the job and somehow don't consider him to be responsible for the total downfall.

Perhaps a fresh set of eyes at Comcast will finally usher out the end of the Jeff Zucker era.  But make no mistake -- if Zucker is finally fired, it will be because of Comcast, not GE.
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