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post #361 of 1041
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Originally Posted by Hanson Yoo View Post

I believe the cinemas are contractually obligated to show Alice on a wide number of screens, which would essentially displace Avatar since there are a limited number of 3D screens right now.

That's my understanding, too - however the question will be how long are theaters contractually obligated to showing x number of Alice shows per day?  If Alice should fade quickly enough, and Avatar experiences a sizable bump in attendance following the Oscars, it would not be unprecedented for Avatar to return to the 3D theaters.  As movies stay in theaters longer, the actual theater owner realizes a larger percentage of ticket sales, as opposed to the opening weeks when virtually all of that money goes back to the studio.  It becomes a dollars and cents issue for theater owners, and they'll undoubtedly opt for whichever movie can pack in the bigger audience.

Do I think this is likely?  No.  Sadly, I think in another month, Avatar will be continuing it's slow, but steady decline and will have fallen behind the newer releases to the point where it will not get the preferential treatment it would had Alice been released, say this week instead.
post #362 of 1041
Well, it's official.  All-Time Domestic Box Office

Granted, we all know this isn't as groundbreaking an achievement as some would believe, but it's nice to see Avatar at the top of yet another list...

Actually, I guess now they need a new category: "Fastest to $600 Million"
post #363 of 1041
Pretty ground breaking, judging by that it only happened one last decade and only in history.
post #364 of 1041
Now it's just a question of how much it will make.  I'm predicting $750M - $800M.
post #365 of 1041
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Originally Posted by Jason Charlton View Post

Well, it's official.  All-Time Domestic Box Office

Granted, we all know this isn't as groundbreaking an achievement as some would believe, but it's nice to see Avatar at the top of yet another list...

Actually, I guess now they need a new category: "Fastest to $600 Million"


It seems pretty ground breaking to me.  Before the release of Avatar you heard: 
  • This movie has no bankable stars
  • 3D is just a gimmick
  • Who on Earth would greenlight this kind of a budget
  • Come on, it features Blue cat people.

And now that Avatar has proven to be successful beyond everyone's wildest dreams; surpassing Titanic in foreign, domestic and worldwide grosses in only 47 days , it's not groudbreaking?!?!

Avatar's run isn't even over yet.
post #366 of 1041
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It seems pretty ground breaking to me.  Before the release of Avatar you heard: 
  • This movie has no bankable stars
  • 3D is just a gimmick
  • Who on Earth would greenlight this kind of a budget
  • Come on, it features Blue cat people.

And now that Avatar has proven to be successful beyond everyone's wildest dreams; surpassing Titanic in foreign, domestic and worldwide grosses in only 47 days , it's not groudbreaking?!?!

Avatar's run isn't even over yet.

Obviously not - the movie's still #1 at the box office!  It's not like it limped to $600m - it'll probably stay at #1 for another week, too...
post #367 of 1041
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Originally Posted by Brian Sheffield View Post


It seems pretty ground breaking to me.  Before the release of Avatar you heard: 
  • This movie has no bankable stars
  • 3D is just a gimmick
  • Who on Earth would greenlight this kind of a budget
  • Come on, it features Blue cat people.

And now that Avatar has proven to be successful beyond everyone's wildest dreams; surpassing Titanic in foreign, domestic and worldwide grosses in only 47 days , it's not groudbreaking?!?!

Avatar's run isn't even over yet.
 

Hehehe, I wasn't implying that #1 Domestic in't a fantastic achievement, but the better "apples to apples" comparison is taking inflation into account - by that measure, Titanic's $600M is equivalent to almost $960M today, something that Avatar isn't really likely to achieve.  I'm with Jose - I think $750M is realistic, but crossing the $800M mark is probably reaching a bit.
post #368 of 1041
I don't think it's possible to have an apples to apples comparison with films released in separate decades.  Each has different obstacles to overcome and more and more competition for the entertainment dollar. (TV, VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, VOD, video games, internet, changing culture)

Gone with the Wind and many other films had multiple releases and far less competition.  Heck, Titanic never even surpassed Star Wars when adjusted for inflation.

I think all time grosses are an excellent record because it always takes a box office and cultural phenomenon to take over the top of the list.  The adjusted list is static and boring.
post #369 of 1041
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I don't think it's possible to have an apples to apples comparison with films released in separate decades. 

100% agreed.
post #370 of 1041
I have kept out of this since Avatar was released, but I feel compelled to finally say something.

This film is already at #21 ALL TIME even on the adjusted list. It will most likely break into the top 15, with an outside chance of reaching #11 by the end of it's run. 

Again - it's #21 ALL TIME. All time includes the MILLIONS of movies made since a crazy cat called Tommy Edison got some wild idea that you could make pictures move and entertain folks. 

So - #21 out of millions. Might get to #11 out of millions. Sound like a success?

Now take into account that the only other movie in the top 15 (again, where Avatar will most likely end its run) that's been made in last 28 years is Titanic (1997). 28 YEARS! ET was made in 1982, kiddies. 

I'm no Avatar fanboy. I really liked it, but still have only seen it once. But anyone who doesn't consider this movie a PHENOMENAL success is just grasping at straws.

Okay, I've said my piece. Carry on.

Cheers,

Jason 
post #371 of 1041
Congrats to Jim Cameron, his cast and crew, and 20th Century Fox.  Again.

An amazing achievement.
post #372 of 1041
 I think the adjusted list is fair game for movies within about 30-35 years of release of each other. Once you start comparing movies 35+ years between each other, I think it becomes a harder thing to gauge (like using Gone with the Wind). 

I'd say Jaws or Star Wars onwards to today would be the "modern era" of box office. 
post #373 of 1041
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Originally Posted by Pete-D View Post

 I think the adjusted list is fair game for movies within about 30-35 years of release of each other. Once you start comparing movies 35+ years between each other, I think it becomes a harder thing to gauge (like using Gone with the Wind). 

I'd say Jaws or Star Wars onwards to today would be the "modern era" of box office. 


I have to respectfully disagree. 

The entertainment landscape has changed dramatically since Jaws, E.T., and Star Wars were originally released.  They may have ushered in the era of the "blockbuster", but they definitely did not have the same level of competition with other  tentpole films let alone newer forms of entertainment media.
post #374 of 1041
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http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/will-avatar-get-a-dear-john-letter-is-this-the-weekend-technopic-falls-to-2/

FRIDAY 8 PM UPDATE: Sources tell me that Relativity's Dear John looks headed to a much bigger than expected $15+ million opening for today based on very early North American box office numbers. "The East Coast already has taken in $6.5M and that's without the late show," one insider gushed to me. Which means the military love story distributed by Sony/Screen Gems will definitely beat out Avatar for No. 1 Friday. That puts G.I. Joe's Channing Tatum and Mamma Mia!'s Amanda Seyfried on course for a $30+M weekend since the pic won't be hurt by Super Bowl Sunday. Though the East Coast's monster winter storm could depress box office overall, it won't affect finish order. Sony/Screen Gems attributes Dear John's success to some great field marketing, including military family screenings at installations like Fort Bragg. Meanwhile, Lionsgate's From Paris With Love with John Travolta is looking "very soft" with only a $4 million debut today for probably a $10M weekend.
post #375 of 1041
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Amanda Seyfried on course for a $30+M weekend since the pic won't be hurt by Super Bowl Sunday.
The girls drag the boys to see it on Friday and  saturday because they know they cannot do so on Sunday.

We get to see it on Valentine's Day. :D or as it was explained to me:

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We have to go see Dear John because its based on a book by the author who wrote the original book of my favorite movie ever, The Notebook.
To which I astutely replied that I thought Valentine's Day sounded like a great time to see it then. ;)
post #376 of 1041
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Weekend Estimates

#1 "Dear John" $32.4 million
#2 "Avatar" $23.6 million ($630.1 million) -25%
#3 "From Paris with Love" $8.1 million
#4 "Edge of Darkness" $7.0 million ($29.1 million) -59%
#5 "Tooth Fairy" $6.5 million ($34.3 million) -35%
#6 "When in Rome" $5.5 million ($20.9 million) -55%
#7 "The Book of Eli" $4.8 million ($82.2 million) -46%
#8 "Crazy Heart" $3.7 million ($11.2 million) +58%
#9 "Legion" $3.4 million ($34.7 million) -53%
#10 "Sherlock Holmes" $2.63 million ($201.6 million) -42%
#11 "The Blind Side" $2.60 million ($241.6 million) -14%
#12 "Up in the Air" $2.4 million ($76.7 million) -16%

The industry continues to enjoy scorching business at the box office as this weekend's numbers were up 2% compared to last year, as well as being 3% stronger than this frame in '08.  Overall, the year-to-date numbers for '10 are $1.211 billion, which is 2% better than last year ($1.189 billion), up 20% compared to '08 ($1.009 billion), an impressive 43% improvement over '07 ($850.2 million), and 33% stronger than '06 ($911.5 million).

After seven weeks at #1, this weekend saw "Avatar" fall to the second slot as Sony's "Dear John" blew away industry expectations to earn the biggest Super Bowl weekend opening in history, besting the $31.1 million launch of the 'Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus' 3D concert film from two years ago.  The film's stellar average of $10,913 from its 2,969 theaters was easily the best of the top 12.  The studio is expecting this one to become a leggy hit in the coming weeks, ultimately leading it to a final domestic haul north of the century mark.

Fox's "Avatar" became only the second film in history (behind "Titanic") to earn north of $20 million in eight-weeks of business.  The film has now netted $630.1 million domestically, as well as a jaw-dropping $2.2 billion globally.  Lionsgate's "From Paris with Love" was met with a very lukewarm reaction from moviegoers and will more than likely fade quickly from theaters within the next few weeks. 

This weekend also marks the first time in history that the industry as seen each of the first six weeks where the #1 movie has topped the $30 million plateau.  The studios hope the momentum continues as next weekend will see a fierce battle for #1 as WB launches the ensemble romantic/comedy "Valentine's Day", Fox will release the fantasy "Percy Jackson & the Olympians: The Lightning Thief", and Universal debuts the horror flick "The Wolfman".  Business should be pretty intense next weekend.
post #377 of 1041
I'm really hoping The Wolfman is both good (after the mny delays) and, if so, it does good box office. I'm still cautiously optimistic at both.
post #378 of 1041
 Well this is just further proof that Avatar is a big disappointment. Only 7 weeks at number one? :) 
post #379 of 1041
Yeah

From www.boxofficemojo.com:

After its seven-week reign at the top of the box office, James Cameron's Oscar-nominated juggernaut Avatar slipped to second place but still generated a healthy $23.6M, according to estimates. Off 25%, the Fox smash boosted its domestic haul to $630.1M. It was only the second time in its entire run that the weekend decline was more than 20%, however much of that was due to the expected hit Sunday will take because of the Super Bowl. Compared to last weekend, Friday slipped by 19%, Saturday dipped by 18%, and Sunday is projected to fall by 39%. For this weekend, the studio is forecasting a rather low 48% drop from Saturday to Sunday. Most distributors are factoring in declines of over 60% because of the Big Game.
 

Overseas, Avatar grossed an estimated $75M this weekend, down 21%, lifting the record international tally to $1.58 billion and the global tally to an eye-popping $2.21 billion. Reaching $2.5 billion should be easy for the 3D extravaganza.

post #380 of 1041
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The studios hope the momentum continues as next weekend will see a fierce battle for #1 as WB launches the ensemble romantic/comedy "Valentine's Day", Fox will release the fantasy "Percy Jackson & the Olympians: The Lightning Thief", and Universal debuts the horror flick "The Wolfman".  Business should be pretty intense next weekend.

Don't forget that the Winter Olympics start on Friday, so that may take some attention away from the multiplexes.
post #381 of 1041
i'm sure i asked this year last too but i'm forgetful.

do movie studios write off avatar's $ made in 2010 as 2010 or do they include that as 2009 earnings?

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Originally Posted by TerryRL View Post

Weekend Estimates

#1 "Dear John" $32.4 million
#2 "Avatar" $23.6 million ($630.1 million) -25%
#3 "From Paris with Love" $8.1 million
#4 "Edge of Darkness" $7.0 million ($29.1 million) -59%
#5 "Tooth Fairy" $6.5 million ($34.3 million) -35%
#6 "When in Rome" $5.5 million ($20.9 million) -55%
#7 "The Book of Eli" $4.8 million ($82.2 million) -46%
#8 "Crazy Heart" $3.7 million ($11.2 million) +58%
#9 "Legion" $3.4 million ($34.7 million) -53%
#10 "Sherlock Holmes" $2.63 million ($201.6 million) -42%
#11 "The Blind Side" $2.60 million ($241.6 million) -14%
#12 "Up in the Air" $2.4 million ($76.7 million) -16%

The industry continues to enjoy scorching business at the box office as this weekend's numbers were up 2% compared to last year, as well as being 3% stronger than this frame in '08.  Overall, the year-to-date numbers for '10 are $1.211 billion, which is 2% better than last year ($1.189 billion), up 20% compared to '08 ($1.009 billion), an impressive 43% improvement over '07 ($850.2 million), and 33% stronger than '06 ($911.5 million).

After seven weeks at #1, this weekend saw "Avatar" fall to the second slot as Sony's "Dear John" blew away industry expectations to earn the biggest Super Bowl weekend opening in history, besting the $31.1 million launch of the 'Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus' 3D concert film from two years ago.  The film's stellar average of $10,913 from its 2,969 theaters was easily the best of the top 12.  The studio is expecting this one to become a leggy hit in the coming weeks, ultimately leading it to a final domestic haul north of the century mark.

Fox's "Avatar" became only the second film in history (behind "Titanic") to earn north of $20 million in eight-weeks of business.  The film has now netted $630.1 million domestically, as well as a jaw-dropping $2.2 billion globally.  Lionsgate's "From Paris with Love" was met with a very lukewarm reaction from moviegoers and will more than likely fade quickly from theaters within the next few weeks. 

This weekend also marks the first time in history that the industry as seen each of the first six weeks where the #1 movie has topped the $30 million plateau.  The studios hope the momentum continues as next weekend will see a fierce battle for #1 as WB launches the ensemble romantic/comedy "Valentine's Day", Fox will release the fantasy "Percy Jackson & the Olympians: The Lightning Thief", and Universal debuts the horror flick "The Wolfman".  Business should be pretty intense next weekend.
post #382 of 1041
Thread Starter 
The grosses for "Avatar" starting from January 1st will be counted toward the total haul of 2010.
post #383 of 1041
Avatar earned 312 million just in the month of january, that is pretty phenomenal.

But it's the foreign breakdown that is staggering. I'm pretty certain no movie has had so many countries in the 9 figure and 8 figure grosses.  Hell most movies never even get to 7 figures in most of the countries on this list.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=avatar.htm
post #384 of 1041
not that i do taxes in any of those high brackets >P

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The grosses for "Avatar" starting from January 1st will be counted toward the total haul of 2010.
post #385 of 1041
for a many weeks prior discussion about whether or not studios and theatres split gross at a flat rate or at the ancient (now) practice of studios taking 90% of opening weekend the 80% of weekend two etc down the line.  Here's a good source pointing out that they do aggregate splits with exhibitors today (a 55% studios, 45% exhibitors) split nowadays.

and it's also discussing the shrinking window for Alice in Wonderland which is a much more significant development than many people are aware of.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i6c8a99484479c6fe23ff6a8804817a27
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These days, most releases come with "aggregate" terms. In such cases, distributors and exhibitors agree to split boxoffice by a set percentage of a film's entire run, with up to 55% going into studio coffers on pricey tentpole releases.
post #386 of 1041
Thread Starter 
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/valentines-day-16-5m-friday-for-60m-weekend-percey-jackson-10-5m50m-wolfman-4-8m24m-dear-john-4-5m19m/

FRIDAY PM: Here are early Friday numbers for this double holiday Valentine's Day / Presidents Weekend which will be refined in the morning along with analysis...

1. Valentines Day (Warner Bros) NEW [3,665 Theaters]
Friday $16.5 million, Estimated 4-Day Weekend $60M

2. Percy Jackson & The Olympians(Fox) NEW [3,356 Theaters]
Friday $10.5M, Estimated 4-Day Weekend $50M

3. The Wolfman (Universal) NEW [3,222 Theaters]
Friday $10.5M, Estimated 4-Day Weekend $35M

4. Avatar (Fox) Week 9 [2,685 Theaters]
Friday $4.8M, Estimated Weekend $24M, Estimated Cume $661M

5. Dear John (Relativity/Sony) Week 2 [2,975 Theaters]
Friday $4.5M, Estimated Weekend $19M, Estimated Cume $56.5M

It's a record-breaking Valentines Day / Presidents Weekend of $190M for just the Top 5, easily beating 2009's $220M for overall same weekend box office.

post #387 of 1041
Thread Starter 
Friday Estimates

#1 "Valentine's Day" $14.6 million
#2 "The Wolfman" $9.9 million
#3 "Percy Jackson & the Olympians: The Lightning Thief" $9.8 million
#4 "Avatar" $4.6 million ($642.2 million) 26% Friday-to-Friday drop
#5 "Dear John" $4.1 million ($42.0 million) 70% Friday-to-Friday drop (Ouch!)
#6 "Tooth Fairy" $1.3 million ($37.3 million) 21% Friday-to-Friday drop
#7 "From Pairs with Love" $1.2 million ($12.3 million) 60% Friday-to-Friday drop
#8 "Edge of Darkness" $1.0 million ($32.5 million) 57% Friday-to-Friday drop
#9 "Crazy Heart" $870K ($13.4 million) 20% Friday-to-Friday drop
#10 "When in Rome" $815K ($23.4 million) 60% Friday-to-Friday drop
#11 "The Book of Eli" $715K ($84.7 million) 53% Friday-to-Friday drop
#12 "The Blind Side" $460K ($242.9 million) 41% Friday-to-Friday drop

The various studio execs in Tinseltown continue to give one another high-fives as the box office continues to be absolutely scorching, on top of still running (slightly) ahead of last year's record-shattering numbers.  "Valentine's Day" will earn the biggest opening of this young year as it looks headed for a Friday-to-Sunday haul in the neighborhood of $45-$50 million.  'Percy Jackson' and "The Wolfman" will both end up debuting north of the $25 million mark, while "Avatar" continues its record-breaking run in theaters.  "Dear John" suffered a steep Friday-to-Friday hit of 70%, but is expected to rebound today and tomorrow.  This will end up being the biggest Valentine's Day/Presidents' Day weekend in Hollywood history.
post #388 of 1041
Thread Starter 
Weekend Estimates

(4-day estimates will be up tomorrow)

#1 "Valentine's Day" $52.4 million
#2 "Percy Jackson & the Olympians: The Lightning Thief" $31.1 million
#3 "The Wolfman" $30.7 million
#4 "Avatar" $22.0 million ($659.6 million) -4%
#5 "Dear John" $15.3 million ($53.2 million) -50%
#6 "Tooth Fairy" $5.6 million ($41.5 million) -16%
#7 "From Paris with Love" $4.7 million ($15.9 million) -42%
#8 "Edge of Darkness" $4.6 million ($36.1 million) -33%
#9 "Crazy Heart" $4.0 million ($16.5 million) +12%
#10 "When in Rome" $3.4 million ($26.0 million) -38%
#11 "The Book of Eli" $3.3 million ($87.2 million) -31%
#12 "The Blind Side" $2.2 million ($244.7 million) -12%

Hollywood enjoyed the biggest Valentine's Day/Presidents Day weekend frame in history as moviegoers shelled out nearly $180 million on the top 12 movies at the box office which saw the top three movies each earn more than $30 million (an industry first for the frame).  The 4-day figures could put the mark over $200 million as 2010 continues to produce massive numbers at multiplexes.  Business was up 14% compared to this weekend last year, as well as an eye-popping 56% compared to this frame in '08.  Year-to-date levels put this year at 2% higher than last year ($1.440 billion vs. $1.406 billion), up 23% against '08 ($1.173 billion), 44% stronger than '07 ($1.002 billion), and a 35% improvement over '06 ($1.068 billion).

WB's "Valentine's Day" earned the biggest opening of the year as it pulled in a much higher than expected $52.4 million, marking the third best February debut in history behind 'The Passion' ($83.8 million) and "Hannibal" ($58.0 million).  The $52.4 million launch also gave the film the second largest ever for a romantic comedy, coming in behind the $57 million opening haul of "Sex & the City".  The ensemble rom/com earned an impressive per-theater average of $14,300 from its 3,665 locations, which was easily the best of the top 12.  WB expects this one to have little difficulty in ultimately passing the century mark.  The film cost a modest $52 million to make and will end up being a very profitable hit for the studio.  A sequel (titled "New Year's Eve") is already in the works.

Fox's 'Percy Jackson & the Olympians' also got off to a great start as it took in just over $31 million this weekend.  The film, which cost nearly $100 million to make, earned a solid average of $9,267 from its 3,356 theaters.  The studio is optimistic that this one will end up being one of the bigger hits of this early part 2010.

Universal's "The Wolfman" also packed theaters this weekend as it opened with just under $31 million, giving it a per-theater average of $9,506 from its 3,222 locations, which was the second best of the top 12.  At a cost of $150 million this one will have to pull in some fat numbers both here and abroad if the studio expects a decent profit.

Fox's "Avatar" made it nine weeks in a row that it has earned at least $20 million at the box office ("Titanic" holds the record with ten weeks of $20 million-plus earnings).  The blockbuster has now earned close to $660 million domestically.  Globally, the film has tallied about $2.3 billion.  A final domestic mark north of the $700 million plateau is now pretty much a lock. 

Sony's "Dear John" was off about 50% and has so far tallied more than $53 million.  A final haul in the neighborhood of $85-$100 million is now expected.  Fox's "Tooth Fairy" continues to show surprisingly strong legs as it has now pulled in $41.5 million.  The family flick cost less than $50 million to make and could end up seeing modest returns once overseas figures are factored in.  LGF's "From Paris with Love" hasn't caught on with moviegoers as it has only managed to earn about $16 million thus far.  The action flick cost over $50 million to make.  WB's "Edge of Darkness" is currently sitting on a domestic mark of $36 million.  Not too impressive for a movie that cost $80 million produce.  Fox Searchlight's "Crazy Heart" saw a 12% increase in business and has now taken in $16.5 million.  The movie, which only cost $7 million to make, is expected to nab a Best Actor Oscar for star Jeff Bridges as well as boasting Oscar nominated work by Maggie Gyllenhaal.  Disney's "When in Rome" has so far earned $26 million.  WB's "The Book of Eli" is closing in on the $90 million mark domestically.  WB's "The Blind Side" rounds out the top 12 as it looks about a week away from passing the $250 million plateau.

Next weekend should see business remain strong as Paramount releases the thriller "Shutter Island".  The latest from Oscar-winning director Martin Scorsese and star Leonardo DiCaprio is expected to put in a very strong challenge for the top spot at the box office next week.  This will be the fourth pairing of the actor and director and each of their first three films turned out to be big box office hits.  All three also ended up being Best Picture nominees with "The Departed" winning the award, as well as Scorsese's long deserved Best Director trophy (his first and only win the category). 
post #389 of 1041
Be prepared, apparently "Avatar" is getting an adjustment.. up.  Should be 22.5 it appears, a loss of less then 1% week-to-week.

If that's true.. WOW.
post #390 of 1041
Avatar seems to continue to perform at a consistent attendance level on its 3D screens, weekend by weekend.
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