Potential Moulin Rouge DTS Problem

Kevin, what player do you have?

I have the R4 version, and there is definitely no lip synch problems on the DTS track. I don't hear the PAL speed up, so I can't comment on whether it is going to be a problem for those who do hear it - it certainly sounded the same to me as the soundtrack. It may have been pitch corrected.

A bit off topic but I have the R4 version and it is the first musical in PAL where I haven't noticed the speed-up!
Which is fab!
Does anyone know if it's possible that the movie was shot at 25fps, thus avoiding any speed issues with the PAL format?

I watched my R4 copy in dts on my Pioneer DV-515 last night, no sync probs .

Not sure if it was pitch-corrected, but I guess it was, as I didn't notice it sounding funny, an I think I would have, considering the number of times I have listened to the soundtrack while waiting for this awesome disc to finally show up in my mailbox. I will do an A-B-comparison with the soundtrack this weekend so see (or hear, as it were) if there are any differences. Even if it is pitch-corrected it might still be running 4% too fast, that should still be noticeable (104 bpm instead of 100...)

I have the R1 canadian version. Watched it last night in DTS on a SD-3108 Toshiba player and encountered no lipsync problems with the track. BTW, DTS is the way to listen to this movie, let me tell you.

Pierre

Got the R1 version made in canada and it played the 1st 30mins with no lipsync problems on my Pioneer DV-233 (equivalent to the DV-343 in the US).

OK, this was not quite as easy as I'd thought. Turns out the soundtrack CD I have is not a soundtrack as such, but music from the movie, which means the songs have been re-recorded, edited etc.

Anyway, I popped it in my old LD-player (a Pioneer CLD-600) and the Moulin Rouge R4 DVD in my DVD-player (A Pioneer DV-515) and tried to compare a couple of songs. Obviously they run at different speed (pitch-corrected or not, PAL is still 4% faster than the original film) which complicates the comparison, but as far as I could tell, Moulin Rouge is not pitch-corrected . Now, I don't have perfect pitch, so I could be mistaken, and also my testing conditions weren't ideal, but there it is...

To me, this is only noticeable in a direct comparison (and even then not obvious), so I'm gonna keep my R4 anyway.

Another thing that caught my attention re this soundtrack (or 'music from the movie') is the presence of David Bowie. I wondered why I hadn't recognized his voice when I saw the movie, but it turns out he is not in the movie (Joe Leguziamo sings Nature Boy), he only sings it on the soundtrack. Why? And why is Ozzy Osbourne credited as the voice as the Green Fairy, it sure sounds like Kylie to me? And why is Pacido Domingo the Man in the Moon in the movie, but not on the soundtrack? Questions, questions. So if this whole soundtrack has been re-recorded, is it really valid to compare it to the movie like I did? Seems to me we still don't know if this DVD is actually pich-corrected or not

Mikael
The R4 sleeve notes say:

"The following credits in the motion picture 'Moulin Rouge' were accidently omitted:
Singing voice of the Green Fairy - Kylie Minogue
Costume Jewelry - Kym Bywater"

Rich

I have the R1 dvd and didn't encountered any lip sync problems. Mine player's a Pioneer too.

Yes, Ozzy only does the scream of the Green Fairy as far as I know.

On a JVC R1, no DTS synch problem.

I experienced no problems what so ever on either the HTPC or the two Sony machines in my rack.

I watched MR earlier tonight and did experience lip-sync errors on the DTS track. I have a Pioneer DV-525.

The DTS track felt like it had the edge over the DD track but as soon as the first song began the lipsync problem became glaringly obvious.

Dolby 5.1 track is unaffected (luckilly!)

Can you give a reference time mark where the problem is easy to spot? I have both Pioneer DV-AX10 and Sony 9000ES in my system and can check and compare using Region 1 disc.

Roger,

Any song/dance number should be a good spot to test. It is very noticeable in these. Try out the Elephant Medley or Satines first number.

I spun up the R1 yesterday morn on my Panny A120 and sure enough, there was some fair amount of lip flap on the DTS track. Not horrible, but just bad enough to be annoying. Watching the musical scenes in both formats, Dolby Digital was always spot on.

Bummer. I was looking forward to checking it out in DTS this weekend. Guess I'll have to settle for 'plain old' Dolby Digital!

Anyone try a Toshiba 3109? -- man, the studios really need to improve Q/A and to take defects seriously.

I still haven't bought Python's Grail, and I stopped myself from buying Moulin Rouge also...

Ted

[font=]NO PROBLEMS HERE! I'm using a JVC723.
Sounds amazing in 6.1 DTS[/font]

It's pretty well known that Pioneer DVD Players are susceptible to lipsyncing problems. In fact, for that very reason I stayed away from their portable. Studios can't be held responsible for defective hardware. Notice in this thread Pioneer is (virtually) the only machine with this problem.

Your Toshiba should be fine, those are mainly problematic with extras.

Not only do I NOT have any dts problems, this may be the BEST dts track I've ever heard!!!

I encountered Lip-Synch problems as well listening to the DTS track tonight - on my Panasonic RP-91! The Dolby Digital track played perfectly. Too bad I prefer DTS

There just seems to be too many folks reporting Lip-Synch problems with this disc and the DTS track for this to be entirely the player's fault.

I wonder if Fox is aware of anything yet?

Great DVD - lot's of great extras...but I would like to see the DTS track fixed.

I had a lip synch problem on my Samsung the other day. Havent tried it on my XBOX or PS2 yet though.

I've got lip sync problems also. I use a Pioneer DV-525, although I don't think the player has anything to do with it. Must be a problem on the Moulin Rouge DVD itself.

No problems on my Sony 650 player.



Considering that most people who are experiencing this problem own Pioneer players, that's quite a comment to make.

The Panasonic RP-91 has the LIP SYNCH problem - at least mine did. I saw one other post somewhere else where another RP91 owner had the same issue also.

So, if it is a DVD player problem - it's just not Pioneer DVD players. Add Panasonic to that list. I believe a Samsung model was also been mentioned in this thread as to having the problem as well.

Alot of bad discs out there seems more like a possibility to me. But it's early. The Moulin Rouge DVD has only been out for 24 hours. I'm sure that when more folks give the DTS track a spin this by this weekend we'll probably see more issues.

I could be wrong - but I think it's the DVD/DTS - unfortunately. Not the DVD players.

Are there any other Panasonic RP-91 owners out there that DO or DON'T have DTS Lip-Synch problems with this title ?

It's most noticeable to me in the 1st half of the movie - as I switched to the DD track half way into the movie and had no problems from there on

You can add SONY DVD players too.

I have a brand new Sony S300 and a PS2, and the DTS track is off on both, more so on the PS2, so this problem is NOT limited to Pioneer players.

And I have NEVER had a lip synch problem on any Sony player before this.

Due to the above posts regarding different makes, I am leaning toward this being a software problem and not a hardware problem.

If anyone hears anything more about this, please let us know.