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As I promised, I have combed all the various older threads (since the platform switchover) to cull a list of suggestions about forum functionality.

I labored over where to post this.  I figured it was worthy of its own thread (rather than an add-on in the "Forum Navigation" thread)...but didn't want to put it in the "Suggestion Box" sub-forum because I don't want to divert any attention away from the very specific threads over in that section. 

I tried my best to organize them into categories.  A caveat:  Some of the suggestions I just copied/pasted into the list because I couldn't re-word them as I didn't always understand them.    Also, some of the suggestions--of forum functionality I don't use--might have already been dealt with by the Huddler staff.  Forgive me if that's true.  

Thanks!



FORUM NAVIGATION!: 

 

Add bread crumbs to bottom of page. 

 

Consider return of drop-down menu. 

 

ADD Forum Navigation to Home Page, PM page, Search Page & Wiki Page, etc. 

 

Include a link to the HOME page in the Forum Navigation system.  I could have sworn it was there recently.  Now there’s just a link to the Main Index page.

 

Uniformity of format across board.  One example, there are different styles of presenting thread listings on home page vs. sub-forum index page.  Home page doesn’t list thread start  date stamp, etc.  The pages just look different from each other.      

 

Consistency on button placement.  Example:  Advanced Search “Reset” is in lower right instead of “Search.” 

And, in the places where various threads are spotlighted (for example: the floating box and the "Recent Discussions" listing at the bottom of every page), there is no indication of what forum that thread is located in.  Unfortunately, thread titles are often not as descriptive as they should be.

 

Return of Post #xxx of #yyy  Also important is to know how many posts are in a thread when you are reading that thread.  Please put back the feature in the upper-right-hand corner of each post that would simply say you were reading Post "#56 of 64."  This lets you know how many more posts are ahead...especially useful at a page break. 

 

Spoilers:  Change it so you can’t read their content in preview text.

 

Smilies:     More smilies.

 

Ease of access to smilies.

 

Allow smilies to appear from text. 

 

Signatures:         Return of Sig pix!

 

                        Be able to edit signatures with font colors, size, smilies.

 

Avatar Pix:        Increase their size.  Many are currently illegible because they are so small.

 

Consider making them 16:9 (more “HT”-like).  There’s lot of space in those boxes!

 

Home page:     

Please bring back the option to select "Favorite Threads."  These would be threads to which people regularly posted or would often refer other members.  They were displayed at the bottom of the User Control Panel page for quick access.  Maybe they could be added to the Home Page.


On Home Page, instead of ten pages of ten threads (opened ten at a time with the “MORE” button), how about only showing those subscribed threads with new posts in them.  Got 20, see 20.  Got two, see two.  Got none, see “No new posts at this time.”


Main Forum Index Page:


Customizability of Main Forum Index Page. Make it possible to re-organize sub-forum listing so favorites are at the top. 


Allow for only certain forums to be visible on the Main Forum Index Page


Search:     
Search Thread” functionality.

Make the Search box accept a mouse click along the full length.

 

 

Private Messages: 

 

Make it easier to send a PM.  Way too many steps now.  1.)  Click on “x new messages”, Compose, type in member’s name, exter text, submit…or, 2.) Click on member’s name, go to profile page, “send PM, etc.


Please return the flashing envelope that used to greet us when we had a new PM.  So far I don't think I have missed any...but it's kind of comforting to have a blinking reminder...much like the blinking number on an answering machine to let you know you've got messages. 


Clicking sometimes takes you to first post, other times takes you to reply box.  NEVER takes you to the new PM.  (I might have a solution for this and the request by some to return auto-addition of the prior PM to any new PM.  Simply reverse the order PMs are listed on the page to place the most recent PM in a thread on top rather than at the bottom.  This was the way it used to be in v-bulletin.)


Would be nice to see if person you are PMing with is on-line. 


We need a Preview function for PMs, similar to the "Preview" function for posts. The old software had it, and I always found it useful for reading over a message before I sent it.


Auto addition of the previous PM in a reply. 

In the lower right-hand corner of the PM box are two buttons:  "Send" on the left and "Clear" on the right.  It should be the other way around. 

 

 

Formatting:

 

Better use of white space on right-hand side of HTF pages.  Be able to expand page under advertising, etc.?

 

Increased font size for thread titles (as listed on the forum pages, not inside the threads themselves)

 

Increase vertical size of Reply window.  (Honestly, this is very limiting when I am creating each week’s new Weekly RoundUp.  An image can fill up the entire box—and then some.)   Where did “Advanced Reply” go?

 

Return of shortcut keys:  <alt>S to submit a post (also send a PM) , <alt>X to go to advanced edit mode,  <alt>P to preview a post or PM

 

Return of smilies-on-the-fly.  :D, :), :tu:, etc. 

 

Offset the text in clickable links to make it stand out more from regular text. 

Quote tool includes blank lines where the quotations would have been in the newly quoted post. These must then be manually deleted. I suggest the Quote tool shouldn't include these extraneous blank lines.

 

Number of requests for improved post editing/code. 

 

Selectable skins. 

 

New WAP skins.

 

 

Multi-Quote:

 

  • Under the old software, whenever you used the multi-quote feature, the final "quote" would always be placed at the TOP of the list of all quotes.  This prevented a fair amount of re-ordering when the various quotes would appear in the reply box. 
  • I wish the multi-quote would automatically arrange the quoted posts from oldest on top to newest on bottom. I can't think of a situation where I'd want to reply differently than the original posted order.


Missing Stuff:

Return of Good Trader functionality.  We’ve now been the better part of a year without being able to give credit where credit is due.  If this is not coming soon, I would be willing to preside over a GTL 4.  Does Feedback info still exist?

 

Return to old Member’s HT List.

The old software had an option to select "Forum Leaders" and get a list of all the administrators, moderators, owners and to see who was on-line, which areas they moderated, etc.

The old software also had a member search option...which would not only allow you to seek out a particular member but also sort members by way of post count, alphabetical, ascending/descending, etc. 

Bring back sticky threads.  Not just for administrator    use.  Members also used to be able to sticky our own threads in a forum.

 

Unwanted New Stuff:

 

Eliminate rating of posts.


Subscriptions: 


Improve the method of managing subscriptions.

Current usability problems are:  1) The edit interface is slow to load.  2) The list defaults to alphabetical by thread title.

Send thread subscription emails as plain text + links.  The current formatting makes them unreadable on the iPhone and unpleasant to read on a computer.

 

 

All New Posts:  I'd like to see the return of an option to exclude entire forums so they don't show when you click the "all new posts" button.

 

Odds & Ends:

 

It looks like wiki articles and threads can be reported to an admin for inappropriateness, but not gear reviews.


A Thread Lock icon is needed.

post #2 of 138
Very nice work, Mike!   Hope the Huddler team can get to at least some of these, particularly the bigger issues, in the near future.

I'm starting to notice that IE6 focus behavior has taken a step backward lately (w/ a possible return of the old jump scrolling issue).  OTOH, I was also starting to get tired of the extra page refresh/flash that would happen as part of the hack to fix the problem (for IE6) before.

_Man_
post #3 of 138
 Mike, well done!
I think thats about everything. I know all of my "wish list" items are listed.

Last night, after i posted my thoughts, again, in another thread, i was thinking.

You know how we have that page, that no one uses or looks at, that tells our equipment list, and DVD & Blu-ray list? Something should be done with that, like making it easier to link our lists, to our posts. Or add a program thats already been built as a link, such as DVD Profiler, or in my case now, as i went Mac, DVDPedia. I have all of my stuff listed on each of those sites, as well as stored on my computer. I never add anything to the small list i started, but never use on this site. Shoot, the Blu-ray list on Blu-ray.com (and i use it) is better than the thing we have here.
Make it easier to use, and easier to see on a persons posts, then we might have something.
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Originally Posted by RickER View Post

You know how we have that page, that no one uses or looks at, that tells our equipment list, and DVD & Blu-ray list? Something should be done with that, like making it easier to link our lists, to our posts. Or add a program thats already been built as a link, such as DVD Profiler, or in my case now, as i went Mac, DVDPedia. I have all of my stuff listed on each of those sites, as well as stored on my computer. I never add anything to the small list i started, but never use on this site. Shoot, the Blu-ray list on Blu-ray.com (and i use it) is better than the thing we have here.
Make it easier to use, and easier to see on a persons posts, then we might have something.
 

Now that you mention it.  Would probably be better if there was a straightforward way to import our lists from some other site/software/format into HTF instead.  I have zero interest in making the HTF media listing feature my primary way of managing and keeping track of my collection (at least for the forseeable future).  The only way I'd use it at all is if I can easily import my collection from DVDProfiler -- and probably many others feel similarly if they already use some other software/site to manage their (sizeable?) collections.

IIRC, DVDProfiler does allow exporting to an XML format.  If Huddler can at least provide a reasonably flexible way to import (at least basic title/collection info) from XML format, then that would probably cover a lot of ground toward that end.  In the case of DVDProfiler, one could just keep using DVDProfiler as usual and then export to XML format to be imported into HTF every now and then.  XML has become a pretty common way to transfer data between applications, etc. nowadays, so it'd make sense to consider something like that, if HTF really want people to use the media listing feature (at least for sizeable collections).

_Man_
post #5 of 138
Good work Mike. I think you covered everything. It'll be interesting to see by this time next year if there are any noticeable changes to the current format and settings, I doubt there will be but... anythings possible.

From your list a signature image and larger avatar would cheer up some of us old timers still hanging around here.



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Now that you mention it.  Would probably be better if there was a straightforward way to import our lists from some other site/software/format into HTF instead.  I have zero interest in making the HTF media listing feature my primary way of managing and keeping track of my collection (at least for the forseeable future).  The only way I'd use it at all is if I can easily import my collection from DVDProfiler -- and probably many others feel similarly if they already use some other software/site to manage their (sizeable?) collections.

IIRC, DVDProfiler does allow exporting to an XML format.  If Huddler can at least provide a reasonably flexible way to import (at least basic title/collection info) from XML format, then that would probably cover a lot of ground toward that end.  In the case of DVDProfiler, one could just keep using DVDProfiler as usual and then export to XML format to be imported into HTF every now and then.  XML has become a pretty common way to transfer data between applications, etc. nowadays, so it'd make sense to consider something like that, if HTF really want people to use the media listing feature (at least for sizeable collections).

Being looked at ;) I am in the same boat.  I plan on using DVD Pro as my primary, but would like to import my collection to HTF.

Mike-
Thanks for putting the list together.  Please note that most of the items on the list are being looked at.  Ron, Parker and I are (and have been) prioritizing user requests and trying to get a few in every month.  I think you will be pleased with some changes coming in the next release.  Some are no brainers (bread crumbs on page bottom, easier to use smiles, etc), others like avatars require a balancing act where there is no way to make everyone happy.  We want to make them bigger, but how big is too big, how small is too small?  Everyone has a different opinion on that.  When they are increased in size I have a feeling no one will be happy: too big for some, too small for others. 

post #7 of 138
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Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich View Post

...others like avatars require a balancing act where there is no way to make everyone happy.  We want to make them bigger, but how big is too big, how small is too small?  Everyone has a different opinion on that.  When they are increased in size I have a feeling no one will be happy: too big for some, too small for others. 

There was a very quotable British politican named Richard Needham who once noted:

"A sensible man knows you can't please everybody. A wise man knows you can't please anybody."

(maybe Steve knew him...  )

It sounds like Mr. Needham was very much in tune with the dynamics of this platform switchover... 

post #8 of 138
The one suggestion I'd like to make is to please arrange single quote boxes so the respondent may easily type and post his message BENEATH the text he is quoting. Nearly all posts now have the referenced quote under the response, as most folks naturally don't want to go through the hassle of arranging their message so it reads correctly.

It makes for confusing reading.
post #9 of 138
Mike Frezon for president!
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Originally Posted by Sam Posten View Post

Mike Frezon for president!

If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve.

--William Tecumseh Sherman




post #11 of 138

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"A sensible man knows you can't please everybody. A wise man knows you can't please anybody."

"A stubborn man tries anyway" -A. Gregorich


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Originally Posted by Traveling Matt View Post

The one suggestion I'd like to make is to please arrange single quote boxes so the respondent may easily type and post his message BENEATH the text he is quoting. Nearly all posts now have the referenced quote under the response, as most folks naturally don't want to go through the hassle of arranging their message so it reads correctly.

I've gotten used to this cause I clear out all the crap wasted space in the quotes like I have done with this one.  And then I wind up at the bottom of the quoted area usually anyway.   But yeah, hate the way quotes work.

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I've gotten used to this cause I clear out all the crap wasted space in the quotes like I have done with this one. But yeah, hate the way quotes work.

Me too.

And, I second Mike for something.
post #15 of 138
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I just want to point everyone to THIS POST by Ron Epstein in another thread on the latest with respect to the new forum platform.  This is Ron's second major post (to the best of my knowledge) on the switchover. 

Each time I have found him to be completely honest on the successes and shortcomings of the transition.  I think these posts are required reading for those of us with a vested interest in the situation. 
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Word!
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Originally Posted by Sam Posten View Post

Word!

Association?
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Originally Posted by Sam Posten View Post

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I've gotten used to this cause I clear out all the crap wasted space in the quotes like I have done with this one.  And then I wind up at the bottom of the quoted area usually anyway.   But yeah, hate the way quotes work.

 

I hate this as well. I've been meaning to post a suggestion about the extra lines inserted before the quote. Well, here it is: please remove the extraneous blank lines before the quote when quoting a post for reply.

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Originally Posted by Traveling Matt View Post

The one suggestion I'd like to make is to please arrange single quote boxes so the respondent may easily type and post his message BENEATH the text he is quoting. Nearly all posts now have the referenced quote under the response, as most folks naturally don't want to go through the hassle of arranging their message so it reads correctly.

It makes for confusing reading.

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Originally Posted by Sam Posten View Post

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I've gotten used to this cause I clear out all the crap wasted space in the quotes like I have done with this one.  And then I wind up at the bottom of the quoted area usually anyway.   But yeah, hate the way quotes work.
 

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I hate this as well. I've been meaning to post a suggestion about the extra lines inserted before the quote. Well, here it is: please remove the extraneous blank lines before the quote when quoting a post for reply.

Just so you guys are clear...this is actually already listed in the OP list.  It is in the "Formatting" section.

This should be an easy fix for Huddler.  Not only should they remove the lines before the initial quote, they should also remove the extra blank lines generated inside the quote box itself which appear AFTER the quoted text.  I always go through and eliminate them (as I've done here) but you can see them, as an example, in Bill's post just before mine.

I am running into the phenomena more-and-more in which I'll read a post and then scroll down to find a quotation at-the-bottom to which the post's text was referring.  It is very backwards. 
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Agreed totally.
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Note about the "WAP skins".

I started using my new Blackberry Tour to check out HTF some yesterday, and WOW(!) does the painful amount of scrolling come to bare on a PDA/smartphone -- guess I had forgotten about that from my previously brief tries w/ my iPod Touch some time ago.

A mobile-friendly version of the site is defnitely needed, if HTF wants that kind of traffic.

_Man_
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Thread Starter 
I don't want to say it, but I'll say it anyway:

"Bump."
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We are still working on the list, haven't forgotten about it.  We are trying to tackle a few at a time as other projects are underway. 
post #25 of 138
Thread Starter 
Thanks, Adam. 
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A few questions about the breadcrumbs at the bottom.  What are you wanting to do?  Going back to the main forums page, going to the home page, or something else?  We are just trying to figure out if adding the breadcrumbs is the best way to add what you want to use or see if there is a better solution.

post #27 of 138
I want to go back to the forum I was reading OR go all the way back to the main forum.  To be clear: Adding the breadcrumbs as they now appear at the top of the page is exactly what I want.  Why continue to mess with what works guys?  Previous attempts have not been ringing successes...  If you have a brilliant idea about a new way to do something, at least have some outsiders (and by that I mean people who contribute daily even more than I do!) test it out and make sure you aren't missing something, please?
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Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich View Post

A few questions about the breadcrumbs at the bottom.  What are you wanting to do?  Going back to the main forums page, going to the home page, or something else?  We are just trying to figure out if adding the breadcrumbs is the best way to add what you want to use or see if there is a better solution.


Yes, Adam.  The idea of the breadcrumbs at the bottom of the page is the same as why they're there at the top of every page:  to be able to back into the main forum area of the thread you are looking at (or even further back) without having to scroll all the way to the top of the page. 

In the old forum software, there was the drop-down menu at the top & bottom of each page.  If you were visiting a Weekly RoundUp, for example, you could get to the bottom of the page and the drop-down menu, by default, would be parked at Bargains and Deals and all you had to do was click "Go" and you went back to the B&D forum index page.  If, instead, you wanted to go and check out your home page, you dropped-down the menu, selected "home" and off you went.  You didn't even have to click "Go" in that instance (or collect the $200  ).  That's just one of the reasons there are so many people aruing for the return of the drop-down menus.  

Since there has been so much apparent resistance from management to bring the drop-down menus back (although they WERE indeed here briefly), people are asking for the bread crumbs to be repeated at the bottom to provide more flexibility of one-click travel without going to the laborious "More Forums" system or scrolling all the way to the top.

Here, again, are the major requests for forum navigation:

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Add bread crumbs to bottom of page. 

 

Consider return of drop-down menu. 

 

ADD Forum Navigation to Home Page, PM page, Search Page & Wiki Page, etc. 

 

Include a link to the HOME page in the Forum Navigation system.  I could have sworn it was there recently.  Now there’s just a link to the Main Index page.



post #29 of 138
Another Forum nav/clarity request. 

Would it be possible for a brief description of each forum area title to be link to a descriptive pop-up, the way the first line or two of a post appears on-screen when you scroll over it?  The names of the different sections are apparently not clear enough, as posts are constantly being posted to the "wrong" areas,  This clutters up certain sections and can actually delay getting questions answered, as the real "gurus" in certain areas tend to hang out only in those sections and will never see messages posted elsewhere.  

This is especially true of the Members Home Theater and HT Projects, which is supposed to be about dedicated HT rooms - designing them, building them, wiring them, furnishing them and to a much lesser extent provisioning them with electronics.  (And even that mostly leaning towards specialty items like screens, motorized curtains and RF remote controls.)  Instead it is filled-up with people wanting advice on which HTiB to buy as the first surround system for their apartment.   I'm afraid the people who do know about building HT rooms are going to get tired of scrolling through inappropriate posts and stop reading the section - which will be a disservice to the section's intended audience.  

Similarly the "Basics" area itself often draws posts about equipment upgrades and more sophisticated equipment that would be better served by one of the Audio or Video hardware sections. 

There was some of this even on the old system, where there were quite extensive descriptions of each section right below their names.  But right now, with only the section titles, it is hard for newcomers to know where to post.  (I think this also explains what seems to be an increase in cross-posting.)  

It may be time to consider renaming at least some of the sections in order to make their function more immediately clear to new visitors.  Some of them are just too subjective.  What goes in "Audio/Video Sources" as opposed to "Receivers/Separates/Amps"?  Isn't my Onkyo receiver an audio source?  I get sound from it.  Does a question about my DirecTV receiver belong in "Receivers"?  What does "Basics" mean exactly?  We're so used to the sections - and the old explanations - that I don't think we realize how ambiguous they can look to a newbie.

I would suggest that "Basics" be renamed "Home Theater Beginners" with a pop-up tag line "Forum for those new to HT") and "Members HT and HT Projects" become "Dedicated Home Theater Rooms" or "Home Theater Contruction" with a pop-up: "Show off or Build an HT Room".  "Audio/Video Sources" could become Players, Set-Top Boxes and Antennas - "Forum for the sources that feed your TV and Receiver" and so on.  

Just a thought.

And I wholeheartedly agree with Adam's "breadcrumbs" suggestion.  It can be very annoying to have to scroll all the way up to the top of the screen from the last post in a long thread when you want to jump to the top or to another forum. 

Regards,

Joe
post #30 of 138
As Adam, Mike and I have been asking for a long time now, (original posted back in Sept.).....


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I like the drop down but can live with this new thing.

I would like to see something like this at the bottom so when I hit the bottom of a topic i can just click the forum
I'm on and go right back to that forum

That would be great even if there is no drop down menu added at the bottom
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