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post #31 of 38
11/29/09 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge View Post

The one thing is that there are more angered fans of this latest series then there are from those who enjoy it.

Pfft. That is always the case with scifi shows. Or at least, it's always the case with Stargate. No matter how much they may appear to be the majority, don't make the mistake of thinking that angry fans on the internet are representative of fandom in general or the overall audience, because they're not. The ones with an axe to grind are always the ones who scream the loudest. This is why I don't hang around Stargate fan forums anymore (and I used to - a lot). I just got sick of all the whining. And yes; this has been going on since long before SGU came along. Believe me - the "fans" complaining about Stargate? That's just business as usual.

Also, from what I understand, SGU currently has more viewers than SGA had towards the end of its run. So I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the producers to "fix" the show to fit the old mold.

Me? I like SGU. It's not without its flaws, for sure, but when you guys talk about how "boring" it is or that it's a "chore to sit through" I'm just scratching my head wondering if we're watching the same show. Because IMO, although like I said it's not perfect, it's certainly engaging. And I like that they're going in a different direction this time. As much as I loved SG-1 and Atlantis, I don't see the point in doing the same thing yet again. I do hope the series picks up the pace a bit, though, it feels to me like it's still building towards something.
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post #32 of 38
12/12/09 at 2:27pm
you guys are crazy SGU is sooooooooooooo much better than SGA. and the reason SGA really got canned is because people dont like to watching almost the same exact TV series as SG1 they made that whole style of show and all SGA was is a rip off of that. and come on Sga was just a little to flashy and bright the whole set of SGA seemed like i was about to watch Barnie like he was about to come through the gate singing AAAAAHHHHHHHH and come on was it really a surprise that SGA got cancelled they were trying so hard to try and keep that sinking ship afloat and they were just trying way to hard with it esp with bringing Amanda Tapping to the show maybe  and i stretch maybe if she was the original first comander of Atlantis the show mite have lasted    

 SGU it the new Stargate and i say its about damn time
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post #33 of 38
12/12/09 at 2:54pm

Interesting, if contradictory comments from some. Someone noted that SG-1 was a rare 'original' sci-fi show (though it was based on a movie), and then suggested that SG-U should be more like the previous incarnations (which wouldn't be very original!).

I liked SG-1, and I find this new show refreshing. It has an interesting vibe about it, and being a more conversational and character driven show than alien world of the week, I am a fan.

It's a shame that long-time SG fans aren't feeling this new show - but I think this latest incarnation may be bringing in a new batch of fans to the franchise.

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post #34 of 38
12/12/09 at 3:45pm
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you guys are crazy SGU is sooooooooooooo much better than SGA. and the reason SGA really got canned is because people dont like to watching almost the same exact TV series as SG1 they made that whole style of show and all SGA was is a rip off of that. and come on Sga was just a little to flashy and bright the whole set of SGA seemed like i was about to watch Barnie like he was about to come through the gate singing AAAAAHHHHHHHH and come on was it really a surprise that SGA got cancelled they were trying so hard to try and keep that sinking ship afloat and they were just trying way to hard with it esp with bringing Amanda Tapping to the show maybe  and i stretch maybe if she was the original first comander of Atlantis the show mite have lasted    

 SGU it the new Stargate and i say its about damn time
Actually, you have it all wrong. Stargate Atlantis was getting prime ratings. However, Sci-Fi didn't want to pay to produce two Stargate TV shows at the same time, and considering the state of the economy, the Sci-Fi channel didn't want to pay for two shows. This caused a decision to be reached to end SGA in favor of SGU. However, Sci-Fi has been getting hit by longtime fans of the Stargate series as well as SGA fans who only liked the SGA series.

SGU has been getting slammed on most online forums and it's only getting worse. The main complaint is that the series is too dull and boring and that it has nothing to do with the Stargate aspect of the series. What's also worse is that there are no likeable characters on the series, with the exception of Lou Diamond Phillips, who isn't even a regular cast member, which Sci-Fi deliberately misled fans on.



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Interesting, if contradictory comments from some. Someone noted that SG-1 was a rare 'original' sci-fi show (though it was based on a movie), and then suggested that SG-U should be more like the previous incarnations (which wouldn't be very original!).

I liked SG-1, and I find this new show refreshing. It has an interesting vibe about it, and being a more conversational and character driven show than alien world of the week, I am a fan.

It's a shame that long-time SG fans aren't feeling this new show - but I think this latest incarnation may be bringing in a new batch of fans to the franchise.

I don't know if I would so far as to call it an original show. The problem with the show is that the writers, producers and directors take too long to develop the characters and the screenplay for each episode is like watching a very bad movie while on dramamine. I'm a fan of SG1 and SGA but I just can't get into SGU.

I've watched a lot of sci-fi shows and this one is really the worst of the lot. The show has a lot of problems with the first being the cast. They're just very unlikeable and Dr. Rush is the worst of them all. There are no real threats on the show to make the series interesting.

With SG1, the series had the Gou'ld and the Replicators with the Ori replacing both at the end of the series. Then, there were the Asgard and the Ancients. Interesting characters, most of them. With SGA, we had the Wraith and the human-form Replicators. SGU doesn't have that factor to make it interesting.
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post #35 of 38
12/13/09 at 1:53pm
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I don't know if I would so far as to call it an original show. The problem with the show is that the writers, producers and directors take too long to develop the characters and the screenplay for each episode is like watching a very bad movie while on dramamine. I'm a fan of SG1 and SGA but I just can't get into SGU.

I've watched a lot of sci-fi shows and this one is really the worst of the lot. The show has a lot of problems with the first being the cast. They're just very unlikeable and Dr. Rush is the worst of them all. There are no real threats on the show to make the series interesting.

With SG1, the series had the Gou'ld and the Replicators with the Ori replacing both at the end of the series. Then, there were the Asgard and the Ancients. Interesting characters, most of them. With SGA, we had the Wraith and the human-form Replicators. SGU doesn't have that factor to make it interesting.

I did not call SG-U an original show, just refreshing.

I would disagree with your assessment that the show has no real threats to make it interesting. I like the exploration of the folk stranded themselves being a threat (as order frays at the edges). Also, the show has dealt with lack of air, water, food etc - which have been interesting 'threats' to deal with.

Perhaps you are not suggesting this, but one of the elements of this show that I find refreshing when compared to the almost labyrinthine foes and mythology of SG-1, etc, is the lack of foes/aliens etc on planets from week to week. That to me is the common, expected foil for Sci-fi heroes. SG-U, to me, is attempting (and to me, mostly succeeding) at making a human drama out of a sci-fi setting, based on some basic tenets of the SG universe (no pun intended). This show is more accessible, and thus far, more interesting than SG-A ever was or a retread of SG-1 would have been.
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post #36 of 38
12/13/09 at 2:12pm
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Neil, while I appreciate what you are trying to say, I have to say that I've been unimpressed with SGU to date. It's lack of connection to what made the previous two shows interested, it's lack of a threat to keep the show focused just relegates the show to a generic sci-fi show combined with uninteresting characters.

Like many other fans, I tried to give this show a chance. But, I couldn't stay interested in the series.

The problem with the show is that it lacks this common threat. With every sci-fi series that has ever been produced, the main characters of the series has had a single or multiple alien threats to deal with. Battlestar Galactica has the Cylons. Star Trek has Klingons, Romulans, Borg, Dominion, etc. Buck Rogers had the Draconian Empire. Babylon 5 had their war with the Shadows. Sliders had the Kromaggs.

Matter of fact, I think you would be hard pressed to find any sci-fi series that didn't have such a visible threat to the main characters of the series. While there may be a few shows out there, I can't think of any that are the exception to this rule. If the series were a good series, then there wouldn't be as many sci-fi fans who have been expressing their disinterest in this show. Just one look at the Sci-Fi.com forums, which produces the series, has more detractors against this new show than there are those who like it.

I think if the show were more focused and more stable, and included such a threat, that the series could be more enjoyable by sci-fi and Stargate fans. However, this whole "trapped on a starship' just isn't impressing many sci-fi fans and has been done to death. There just isn't any direction or stability among the creative and production staff.
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post #37 of 38
12/14/09 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Talmadge View Post

Neil, while I appreciate what you are trying to say, I have to say that I've been unimpressed with SGU to date. It's lack of connection to what made the previous two shows interested, it's lack of a threat to keep the show focused just relegates the show to a generic sci-fi show combined with uninteresting characters.
 

Then stop watching and just wander off to another show.  I agree that this release is garbage, and I won't be picking this up (I'll be waiting for a "complete" season 1 after it's all aired), but I'm going to keep watching the show.  I find it interesting.   It's not the "old" Stargate, but it's still interesting to me.

The problem with the show is that it lacks this common threat. With every sci-fi series that has ever been produced, the main characters of the series has had a single or multiple alien threats to deal with. Battlestar Galactica has the Cylons. Star Trek has Klingons, Romulans, Borg, Dominion, etc. Buck Rogers had the Draconian Empire. Babylon 5 had their war with the Shadows. Sliders had the Kromaggs.

B5's badguys didn't really show up until late season 1.  Star Trek and TNG never really had "bad guys".  They just had people they had issues with.  Repeatedly.  The bad guys in DS9 didn't really show up until late season 3.  Just a few examples.

For all we know, SGU's baddies will show up early in the second half of the season.  Joseph Mazolli's (sp) blog has suggested exactly such a thing in fact.

Either way, there's an SGU thread for discussing the show and one for discussing the upcoming release.  It makes the most sense to keep conversations about the release in particular in here and the show over there.
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post #38 of 38
12/14/09 at 2:39pm
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Actually, DS9 (s1-3) dealt with the continuing threat of the Cardassian Empire as they attempted to try and regain control of Terok Nor. Might I also remind you that the Dominion began emerging in Season 2 of the series. While only mentioned by name, and the Jem Hadar appearing in the season finale, they did start to appear as a threat in the second season.

Babylon 5? Well, Season 1 dealt with Commander Jeffrey Sinclair and the important role that he held in regards to the Minbari. Season 1 set up the storyline that would dominate Seasons 2-4, the Shadow War.

And, discussing the DVD release is exactly what everyone is discussing here and why most are disgusted with the show and why a lot of fans won't be buying the release. It's hard to separate the two when discussing the DVD release because episode discussion containing to the DVD release permeates every topic in this forum.

;)

SGU just has a lot of faults and I figure the only reason this set has been rushed for release is because of the recent financial problems regarding MGM and the fact that many of the properties MGM owns are in danger oh shutting down production. James Bond, Stargate, the Hobbit and many other shows under their banner.
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