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post #91 of 1895
2/3/10 at 12:50pm
Another very quick appearance I was surprised by that the last video reminded me of.  Sounds like they got Greg Grunberg back to do the single line over the intercom on the plane as the pilot.
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post #92 of 1895
2/3/10 at 2:06pm
I really wish people would quit saying that Locke's body was taken over or possessed by Jacob's nemesis.

Locke was not possessed by Smokey/Esau/Whatever. Locke is dead. Smokey is a shape-shifter, and has assumed the appearance of countless characters over the course of the series.

This bizarrely resilient "possession" meme seems to be the basis for the speculation that resurrected-Sayid is possessed by Jacob since apparently that's what "they" (Jacob and his "old friend") do. But they never did. Not with Locke, not with anyone else.

Of course, the fact that something has never happened does not mean that it could not happen. But simpler explanations that are more consistent with what we know are getting ignored: it wouldn't be the first time that a character left for dead has somehow gotten up again on the Island; and they went out of their way to stress that the water had lost some of its presumed potency, thus explaining the delay.

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post #93 of 1895
2/3/10 at 2:35pm
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This bizarrely resilient "possession" meme seems to be the basis for the speculation that resurrected-Sayid is possessed by Jacob since apparently that's what "they" (Jacob and his "old friend") do. But they never did. Not with Locke, not with anyone else.

 

While I totally agree with you about the Locke "possession," that isn't really a possession, I don't think you can completely dismiss the motion of the smoke monster possessing "anyone else."  We still don't know what the entity that took Christian's form was.  It could have been the actual body (which was missing from the coffin) or it could have been a mimic--we don't know for sure.
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post #94 of 1895
2/3/10 at 2:45pm
The cast/crew's salaries are one matter--but you must double it +++ because everyone gets per diem which is pretty much equivalent to anywhere from10% to 100% of their salaries added on.  There's also the expense of flying the day's footage to LA every night (and having a triple-time teamster sitting around the airport), and then flying the dailies back to Hawaii as soon as they are processed (there is no processing or editing facility on Oahu).  This leaves a lot less $$$ for CGI.
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post #95 of 1895
2/3/10 at 3:10pm
Holadem,

Easy.

It's just worded badly.  My mistake as with most people
saying the same thing.

However, I don't think that is the reason for the Sayeed 
speculation.  The smoke monster can take the form of
John Locke but that doesn't stop Jacob from being able
to inhabit the body of a deceased.

...still just speculation.
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post #96 of 1895
2/3/10 at 3:16pm
 Guys, I've avoided reading this thread to avoid spoilers, so excuse the question. I was working late to meet a deadline, so I didn't get home in time to watch Lost. I checked TV Guide on-line and it's not clear, but will ABC repeat last night's airing of the Season premiere? I think it's called LA X and it's a 2 parter? TV Guide lists it to be repeated Tuesday, the 9th, but list's it at one hour, not both parts? I could spend 6 dollars and buy it from iTunes. I'd rather not watch it on Hulu. 

Thanks for any help!
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post #97 of 1895
2/3/10 at 3:33pm
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 Guys, I've avoided reading this thread to avoid spoilers, so excuse the question. I was working late to meet a deadline, so I didn't get home in time to watch Lost. I checked TV Guide on-line and it's not clear, but will ABC repeat last night's airing of the Season premiere? I think it's called LA X and it's a 2 parter? TV Guide lists it to be repeated Tuesday, the 9th, but list's it at one hour, not both parts? I could spend 6 dollars and buy it from iTunes. I'd rather not watch it on Hulu. 

Thanks for any help!
 


Technically, the episodes were LA X (Part One) and LA X (Part Two) but they're only playing Part Two with the text commentary next Tuesday at 8 PM.

It should be up abc.com for free right now. It might not be the best way to watch it but it'll get you caught up.
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post #98 of 1895
2/3/10 at 3:41pm
There are two independent reasons why it is highly unlikely that Christian's body was possessed:

1- Again, here we have a entity with a demonstrable ability to shift its shape. Everything points to the fact that all those visions characters have been experiencing since day one of the show are manifestations of this entity. So unless there is some overwhelming reason to believe that visions of Christian are different somehow, I will stick with the pattern established on the show so far: no possession, but mimic.

2- There are tons of reasons to believe that Christian is not a real body walking around . We've seen him appear and disappear from some pretty unlikely places, like on the boat before Michael blew up, or in the hospital to Oceanic 6-Jack, or the well to Locke right before he left the Island.

Yeah, we don't know for sure whether Christian was possessed. There is just no reason whatsoever to believe that he was, and tons of reasons to believe that he wasn't.

EDIT: OK, "no reason whatsoever" is probably too strong. His body is, after all missing. But that's not enough to undermine the wealth of evidence that suggest that Christian is a standard manifestation of Smokey.

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Edited by Holadem - 2/3/10 at 4:06pm
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post #99 of 1895
2/3/10 at 4:11pm
 Thanks Travis!
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post #100 of 1895
2/3/10 at 4:32pm
 
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I can't watch this series on network television. I tried doing it a few times, but the distractions in the corners of the screen, and the commercials, are too annoying. For me, it breaks up the continuity of the scenes too much and takes away from the enjoyment of the series.

I recorded it on the DVR and watched it all after. You can use the 30-second skip feature; my setup marks the commercials automatically, which didn't work perfectly but was OK. I don't recall many corner bug distractions -- although maybe I've started to tune them out entirely.

Yes, you do have to wait a week between episodes, but I couldn't wait until it was all over for the DVDs, because the risk that it would get spoiled is too great.
 
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I get that Hurley has been seeing dead people for awhile not, but until recently (now?) we didn't know if they were him being a bit crazy, him having visions, or actually conversing with dead people.

I watched the Enhanced versions of the season five finale on Hulu in the afternoon to refresh my memory. They point out when Jacob visited Hurley with the guitar case (in the taxi), he says that Hurley is not crazy.

Also, this is when Jacob tell Hurley to get on the second Ajira flight; and when Jacob touches him. The other flashbacks where he touches Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Locke, Jin and Sun are earlier, before the first Oceanic flight. The popular theory is that it is important that Jacob physically "mark" the survivors, but in Hurley's case, it was after the first crash. Jacob also touches Sayid after they are all rescued (and Sayid is reunited with Nadia). But given the nature of time travel -- the "time is just what prevents everything from happening all at once theory" -- it may not matter.

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 A friend of mine posted the following on Facebook:

"Found premier of this seasons Lost predictable. Totally called majority of what happened a couple of days ago."


This is a form of confirmation bias, where people recall the times they were amazingly accurate, and forget when they were talking out of their ass. And to miss out on the enjoyment of being surprised and delighted -- it must suck to be him/her.

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This bizarrely resilient "possession" meme 

Another psychological failing. Sometimes when people -- not Ron! -- are corrected, it reinforces their false beliefs. Depressing, isn't it?
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post #101 of 1895
2/3/10 at 4:36pm
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There are two independent reasons why it is highly unlikely that Christian's body was possessed:

1- Again, here we have a entity with a demonstrable ability to shift its shape. Everything points to the fact that all those visions characters have been experiencing since day one of the show are manifestations of this entity. So unless there is some overwhelming reason to believe that visions of Christian are different somehow, I will stick with the pattern established on the show so far: no possession, but mimic.

2- There are tons of reasons to believe that Christian is not a real body walking around . We've seen him appear and disappear from some pretty unlikely places, like on the boat before Michael blew up, or in the hospital to Oceanic 6-Jack, or the well to Locke right before he left the Island.

Yeah, we don't know for sure whether Christian was possessed. There is just no reason whatsoever to believe that he was, and tons of reasons to believe that he wasn't.

EDIT: OK, "no reason whatsoever" is probably too strong. His body is, after all missing. But that's not enough to undermine the wealth of evidence that suggest that Christian is a standard manifestation of Smokey.

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H
 


One more reason to now think Christian is the smoke monster is that there was a webisode (which were written by the creative team and are considered canon) that had Christian telling Vincent the dog to wake up Jack right after the crash. With Christian already being 'awake' immediately after the crash, it seems like it's not his possesed body but that his image is being used.
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post #102 of 1895
2/3/10 at 5:03pm
Love this show.  Speculation between seasons fell into 2 camps what would happen after the bomb - nothing or reset.  So what does the show do?  It gives us both. 

Brilliant. 

Just frakkin' brilliant.
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post #103 of 1895
2/3/10 at 5:33pm
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I think they're back where they were when Jughead blew up, not when Desmond turned the key.  So Juliet ended up where she was when the bomb went off.

 

Both happened at the same place.  The Hatch was built over the area where the magnetic anomaly/"incident" occurred (and where Jughead detonated).

I wonder if Jacob, like his "dark counterpart" had the same shape shifting ability and has been responsible for some of the island visions of people as well?


I prefer "Locke-a-like" over unlocke and pseudo locke
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post #104 of 1895
2/3/10 at 5:54pm
Ken,

Thanks for the feedback. Isn't the show on network television shown in full screen? I can't recall, as it's been years since I've seen an episode of Lost on anything other than a DVD.

Lou,

Agreed. It is brilliant. As I've mentioned a couple of times, resolution for me is not paramount.  The ride has thus far been wonderful, and I've only seen slightly over 50% of the show.  Someday I may comment on the thematic elements of Giacchino's music for the show.  In some respects, there are leitmotif-like elements associated with some of the major characters.
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post #105 of 1895
2/3/10 at 5:54pm
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Love this show.  Speculation between seasons fell into 2 camps what would happen after the bomb - nothing or reset.  So what does the show do?  It gives us both. 

Brilliant. 

Just frakkin' brilliant.

To quote the great Winston Wolf...let's not start suckin eachother's dicks just yet.
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post #106 of 1895
2/3/10 at 9:03pm
i too noticed Jack's hair being longer, so was Sawyer's on the plane. But if the actor's cut their hair to match the shorter S1 hair, than their hair would be all wrong for continuity on the island. Not much you can do unless you had wigs, hairpieces. Not a big deal.
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post #107 of 1895
2/3/10 at 9:09pm
I wonder if they will fix the CG shot for the Blu-Ray release.  I distinctly remember the shot of the sub departing the island at the end of last season looking really awful while watching it on the air.  It really stuck out like a sore thumb.  While re-watching it on Blu-Ray, I was surprised, as it actually didn't look bad at all.  I think they may have fixed it.

I just don't understand why they still haven't fixed the rendering of the opening "Lost" title, to remove the bad flickering on it as it gets close.


Also, did anyone else catch the return of the Dharma shark from season 2?
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post #108 of 1895
2/3/10 at 10:20pm
so when Japanese Guy reads the note by Jacob, the note written before Hurley left on Ajira and before he time-travelled to the 70's, did the note say that the O6 needs to stay alive, or just Sayid?  cuz if it was just Sayid, it would pretty much prove that Jacob can see the future...
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post #109 of 1895
2/3/10 at 10:25pm
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so when Japanese Guy reads the note by Jacob, the note written before Hurley left on Ajira and before he time-travelled to the 70's, did the note say that the O6 needs to stay alive, or just Sayid?  cuz if it was just Sayid, it would pretty much prove that Jacob can see the future...

And was the note written in Japanese?
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post #110 of 1895
2/3/10 at 10:57pm
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And was the note written in Japanese?
Japanese Guy understands english, so he can probably read it too :P

just watched the last few minutes of the premiere again.  Not-Locke walks up to Richard and says 'Richard, nice to see you out of those chains'.  Richard looks at him and says 'you?'  so this implies that Richard knows who MiB is and realizes he's taken the form of Locke.  but it also implies Richard didn't know that, all these (hundreds of?) years, the Smokie wandering around the Island was MiB.  which is plausible, maybe no one knew that Smokie was a shapeshifter (Ben didn't).  but this exchange also implies that Smokie/MiB has never seen Richard outside of the slave chains (assuming Richard's from the Black Rock), which was like a loooong time ago?  (i don't buy the 'chains' being a metaphor) 
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post #111 of 1895
2/4/10 at 6:19am
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I wonder if they will fix the CG shot for the Blu-Ray release.  I distinctly remember the shot of the sub departing the island at the end of last season looking really awful while watching it on the air.  It really stuck out like a sore thumb.  While re-watching it on Blu-Ray, I was surprised, as it actually didn't look bad at all.  I think they may have fixed it.
 


I think it's the same shot but it looked better because of the increased resolution (1080p on Blu-ray vs. 720p for the broadcast).
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post #112 of 1895
2/4/10 at 6:54am
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I think it's the same shot but it looked better because of the increased resolution (1080p on Blu-ray vs. 720p for the broadcast).

I would think the increased resolution would make bad CGI look even worse.  That said, I'd be very surprised if any studio would spend the money to fix a bad CGI shot.  Or perhaps the increased resolution made it look SO bad that they had to?
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post #113 of 1895
2/4/10 at 7:14am
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I would think the increased resolution would make bad CGI look even worse.
 


I would think the same thing but it's a 'phenomenon' that I've noticed before. For example, there were shots in Battlestar Galactica that looked pretty bad in SD but then I saw the HD broadcast (and eventually the Blu-ray) of the episode and the dodgy shots always seemed to get better as the resolution increased.
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post #114 of 1895
2/4/10 at 7:25am
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I would think the same thing but it's a 'phenomenon' that I've noticed before. For example, there were shots in Battlestar Galactica that looked pretty bad in SD but then I saw the HD broadcast (and eventually the Blu-ray) of the episode and the dodgy shots always seemed to get better as the resolution increased.

Interesting.
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post #115 of 1895
2/4/10 at 8:14am
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 but this exchange also implies that Smokie/MiB has never seen Richard outside of the slave chains (assuming Richard's from the Black Rock), which was like a loooong time ago?  (i don't buy the 'chains' being a metaphor) 
 

What about the whole entire time that "Locke" was talking to Richard and traveling with him to see Jacob in the finale last season?  I too took the "without chains" to mean that he was free of Jacob.  He also said to Jacobs bodyguards "You can go home now, you are free", before they shot at him and pissed him off.

One other unanswered thing, in last seasons finale, Sun hands the picture of the O6 in the Dharma photo to Richard and asks him what happened to them.  Richard replies, "I watched them all die."  When did this happen?  From what we know currently, the last time Richard saw any of them in the '70s was when he helped them get the bomb from underneath the Dharma barracks.  He then sent them on their way, and they went and blew up the bomb and returned to the present, so when did Richard watch them die?
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post #116 of 1895
2/4/10 at 8:38am
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  From what we know currently, the last time Richard saw any of them in the '70s was when he helped them get the bomb from underneath the Dharma barracks.  He then sent them on their way, and they went and blew up the bomb and returned to the present, so when did Richard watch them die?
 
Well, we don't actually know what things looked like from his point of view in the past.  The incident got them sent back to "the present" (appearing to die?) and their blowing up the bomb created the alternate reality.
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post #117 of 1895
2/4/10 at 8:42am
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Well, we don't actually know what things looked like from his point of view in the past.  The incident got them sent back to "the present" (appearing to die?) and their blowing up the bomb created the alternate reality.

 

Right.  So at the point the bomb exploded, 2 realities emerged.  The original on-island reality and the new one where they land in LA and the island is underwater.
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post #118 of 1895
2/4/10 at 8:43am
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One other unanswered thing, in last seasons finale, Sun hands the picture of the O6 in the Dharma photo to Richard and asks him what happened to them.  Richard replies, "I watched them all die."  When did this happen?  From what we know currently, the last time Richard saw any of them in the '70s was when he helped them get the bomb from underneath the Dharma barracks.  He then sent them on their way, and they went and blew up the bomb and returned to the present, so when did Richard watch them die?

 


I think an upcoming flashback will clarify what happened on the island right after the bomb detonation. As of now, I just assume that he saw the bomb detonation from where ever he was and he thinks they all died.

On a related note, there is a featurette on the S5 DVD/Blu-ray where you can see a white board in the writers' room with a breakdown of the finale. At least initially, the episode didn't end with Juliet hitting the bomb and a white flash. After Juliet hit the bomb, you would see white starting to envelope the other survivors (time travel) and Richard would see the explosion and that was the end of the episode. For all I know, that stuff was never shot and they have no intention of that being what happened though.
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post #119 of 1895
2/4/10 at 9:45am
So, at this point in the series, who do you think the two skeletons in the cave from season 1 are?  Or, does it matter?
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post #120 of 1895
2/4/10 at 9:51am
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So, at this point in the series, who do you think the two skeletons in the cave from season 1 are?  Or, does it matter?
 


My guess is that it's Jack and Kate but I only think that because of the dramatic irony of having them find their own bodies.
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