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post #841 of 1895
3/29/10 at 10:25am
Just saw an article - http://adage.com/mediaworks/article?article_id=143012
which says "The cost of a 30-second ad in the final episode of the series is coming in around a whopping $900,000, according to media buyers."
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post #842 of 1895
3/29/10 at 3:22pm
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I don't know the ins and outs of advertising but I think the most viewers Lost ever had was about 23 million for the S2 premiere. I'm sure the series finale will top that (lots of people who haven't seen the show in years or have never seen it will tune in for some reason) but I would think that the finale would have to double or even triple that all time high in order to make it worth paying $900,000 for a 30 second spot and numbers that big seem really unlikely.

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post #843 of 1895
3/29/10 at 4:24pm
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I don't know the ins and outs of advertising but I think the most viewers Lost ever had was about 23 million for the S2 premiere. I'm sure the series finale will top that (lots of people who haven't seen the show in years or have never seen it will tune in for some reason) but I would think that the finale would have to double or even triple that all time high in order to make it worth paying $900,000 for a 30 second spot and numbers that big seem really unlikely.


I think it's more that people will actually watch it live for once.  These days, what other show do most people watch live?
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post #844 of 1895
3/29/10 at 5:03pm
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I think it's more that people will actually watch it live for once.  These days, what other show do most people watch live?
That's what part of what is mentioned in the article.  It will be "event television."  Lots of people watching it live ready to discuss events the moment they see them.
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post #845 of 1895
3/29/10 at 5:50pm
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I think it's more that people will actually watch it live for once.  These days, what other show do most people watch live?

Dancing with the Stars?   Sorry...

I see, so ABC is charging advertisers that much to air an ad during Lost. Wow! 
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post #846 of 1895
3/30/10 at 4:12am
There's something to the premium for watching a show likely to be watched live by more people.  I rarely see a commercial, with the exception being when I watch sports or news.  Everything else is watched on dvr.  That said, anyone have current numbers on dvr users?  I thought we were still a minority across the country and forums like this are a disproportionate sample where people have a greatly heightened interest in their tv viewing.
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post #847 of 1895
3/30/10 at 6:13am
There is an issue where advertisers are starting to worry not just about DVR'd copies, but time-lag copies.  That is, someone starts a show 20/30 minutes in just to make sure they can fastforward all the commercials.

Shows like "Lost" are unique, along with something like AI, because advertisers feel as though people will watch Live in order to make sure they aren't spoiled by someone as to what happens.
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post #848 of 1895
3/30/10 at 6:32am
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There is an issue where advertisers are starting to worry not just about DVR'd copies, but time-lag copies.  That is, someone starts a show 20/30 minutes in just to make sure they can fastforward all the commercials.

That's exactly what I do with every show (including the Lost series finale).  Assuming I even watch it the night it airs.
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post #849 of 1895
3/30/10 at 11:21am
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I'll just spoilerize this because the speculation is so specific, but it is still speculation:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Some of the survivors escaped from the island once and returned because it was the right thing to do.  What if those who escaped via the MiB's alternate universe can also "return" in some way, exercise their free will, give up their new, safe lives and go back to confront him?  And what if their time on the island, the things they learned there about themselves and one another, is the only thing that this possible? 

There are, after all, two great pair of opposites in the series, Good vs. Evil and Fate vs. Free Will.  So much of the discussion has been about the one that I think we forget the other.  If the MiB is a kind of embodiment of evil, he is also the creature most convinced that those who come to the island are fated to destruction.  The ending is always the same.  Jacob holds out the hope that some day some person or group of persons will freely choose to do good and prove the MiB wrong.  Or - in my thesis -defeat him, since I think that if all their conflict is about is scoring points, the whole thing is too pointless for either us or the writers to care about.

Would something like that "connect" the flash-sideways to the "main" story enough to satisfy anyone?  (I reject the idea that there is a "main" story and then "flashbacks", etc. that somehow constitute something "other".  The flashbacks are earlier parts of the same narrative, they are just told out of sequence for dramatic purposes.  I believe the current "non-linear story elements" are also part of the same story, in a different way.)

Anyway, something to think about. 

 

I agree with this thought Joe, I always thought the sideways scenes were more of the end of the story just told earlier, in a sort of Taratino-like way.  Like they struck a "deal with the devil" and are now living their version of what they wanted from their lives.....Good thought...



Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino View Post

Oh, one more thing to consider with all the talk (among the characters) of the island being/not being Hell.  In his allegory The Great Divorce, which draws on both Bunyan's The Pilgrim's Progress and Dante's Divine Comedy, C.S. Lewis presents a vision of the afterlife in which Hell is a gray, dark town while Heaven is a place of dawn light, just over the top of a distant ridge of hills.  The souls in the town are sometimes allowed to take a kind of holiday excursion to the foothills of Heaven, which the book's narrator does.  There he meets an old friend and mentor, who explains how things work.  Some of the dead souls are allowed to continue on to Heaven.  The vast majority choose to return to the gray town.  Offered the chance to gain Heaven if they repent their sins, they find numerous excuses for going back to the lives they know.  When the narrator asks his friend if the gray town is Hell, he gets an interesting answer.  (And I'm paraphrasing because I don't have the book to hand):  "For them that goes back, it is Hell.  But for them that goes on it was always merely Purgatory."  Purgatory being understood as a place of testing an purification, and not one's final destination.   

Regards,

Joe
 



This is also a good reference, definitely makes you think.  Good stuff.....
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post #850 of 1895
3/30/10 at 7:11pm
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Anyone know when V is on? Oh right, the big V logo that was on screen for the entire episode told me.
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post #851 of 1895
3/30/10 at 7:47pm
So, uh, I hear "V" is coming back tonight.. Jeezus!  I am actually very interested in "V" but come on.. anyway, I'll watch that now.. but the whole lost blowup for "V" was pretty damn annoying.
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post #852 of 1895
3/30/10 at 8:00pm
 I think it was worse here... we had almost constant flood emergency warnings, which at some points were covering up the subtitles for what was being said.
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post #853 of 1895
3/30/10 at 10:51pm
That V promo was just awful, just so goddamn stupid.  It made me so mad.
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post #854 of 1895
3/30/10 at 11:06pm
Have to agree about the V logo.  You know it's really bad when that's all people can talk about after an episode of 'Lost'.  Actually makes me not want to watch 'V' anymore. 

Wasn't one of the stronger episodes this season, but I enjoyed it.  I forget exactly what he said, but Sawyer made me laugh.  It was when he asked UnLocke why he couldn't just turn to smoke and go to the other island.  It was what he said to Locke's response.
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post #855 of 1895
3/31/10 at 5:35am
Not only was last night's episode NOT one of the strongest, it was one of the most boring. In fact, I'm not getting into this season much at all - most of the show feels like filler. Enough with the backstories, alternate timelines, whatever. The temple thing fizzled out, everything else after that have been backstory episodes that don't feel like they will be relevant to the finale.  6 episodes left? What will they come up with to fill all that time?
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post #856 of 1895
3/31/10 at 5:55am
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Anyone know when V is on? Oh right, the big V logo that was on screen for the entire episode told me.
At one point it was covering up some item on the screen that I wanted to read.  Very annoying.

Onto the episode itself - that was definitely cruel of Sun's father - having Jin take the money to pay for his own murder. And how many people were waiting for Mikhail to get one in the eye?

As far as the end of the episode - very interesting that somehow Desmond is a weapon against Locke-monster.  I am definitely intrigued. 

It was a more low-key episode and I was glad to see how Jin ended up in the kitchen there.  He was not exactly rescued by Sayid, but quite helped out.  I was thinking that the scenes were going to be more parallel with Sayid arrived to get Jin from Widmore at the same time as he came in the kitchen, but they went elsewhere. 

All in all, it looks like it was more of a set up for what is probably going to be quite a big episode next week.
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post #857 of 1895
3/31/10 at 6:15am
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Wasn't one of the stronger episodes this season, but I enjoyed it.  I forget exactly what he said, but Sawyer made me laugh.  It was when he asked UnLocke why he couldn't just turn to smoke and go to the other island.  It was what he said to Locke's response.
 


I might be a little off but he said "No, because that'd be ridiculous". That was probably one of the funniest things ever on the show.
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post #858 of 1895
3/31/10 at 8:18am
Loved the line about unless Richard was covered in bacon
grease Hurley would not find him.

Uhm....trying to think back to the episode where Sayeed
confronts the mob guy in the kitchen.  The mobster is
preparing eggs and then gets shot.  This episode refers
back to that one.

....did we discover Jin in the refrigerator in that episode?

I think we did.  It went unexplained.  This episode answered
that one.

Can anyone confirm how far that original episode went?

Not sure what to make out about Desmond being the
"package."  Though it would have been something more
elaborate, but it is good to see Desmond back.

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post #859 of 1895
3/31/10 at 8:24am
Odd. I greatly enjoyed this episode, probably even more so than the Ab Aeterno, which was something of a let down for me. Go figure. Actually, it made me realize that my main issue with Ab Aeterno is that I don't have the same emotional attachment to the Richard character as I do with the others. So yeah it was great finally knowing what happened to him and the Jacob/MiB stuff of course, but something was missing in that ep, holds it from rising to the level of The Constant for instance.

--
H
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post #860 of 1895
3/31/10 at 8:33am
So any theories on what that surveillance stuff in the beginning was about?  I guess the obvious answer is that it was Widmore or whoever took Jin, but I don't know.  I was getting this weird vibe that it was someone or something far from the island.
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post #861 of 1895
3/31/10 at 8:36am
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So any theories on what that surveillance stuff in the beginning was about?  I guess the obvious answer is that it was Widmore or whoever took Jin, but I don't know.  I was getting this weird vibe that it was someone or something far from the island.

Well, it was obviously seen through a pair of night vision goggles, and multiple people on Widmore's team were wearing such devices, so I think it's abundantly clear it was them.  Not everything on the show is a mystery.
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post #862 of 1895
3/31/10 at 8:41am
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Well, it was obviously seen through a pair of night vision goggles, and multiple people on Widmore's team were wearing such devices, so I think it's abundantly clear it was them.  Not everything on the show is a mystery.

It seems pretty obvious that it was Widmore's group, but I don't think it's that obvious there was someone actually there with night vision goggles due to the audio.  They had the area miked up.
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post #863 of 1895
3/31/10 at 8:58am
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It seems pretty obvious that it was Widmore's group, but I don't think it's that obvious there was someone actually there with night vision goggles due to the audio.  They had the area miked up.

One of the guys (the chubby guy with Zoe) had a parabolic mic--the kind you just point at a target hundreds of feet away, and you can listen.
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post #864 of 1895
3/31/10 at 9:02am
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One of the guys (the chubby guy with Zoe) had a parabolic mic--the kind you just point at a target hundreds of feet away, and you can listen.

Ah, okay.
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post #865 of 1895
3/31/10 at 9:13am
I thought it was a good episode. Nice to see how Jin got into the cooler. I was surprised to see him shoot the guy. But more surprised to see Sun shot. So does that mean she won't survive on the island timeline? It was nice to see them together again and I imagine the actors were happy to have something to do too! 

Then it was an interesting shift in tone and story telling to go to V. More straight forward action adventure. Elizabeth Mitchell cleans up well i that show and I was wondering if she came back to Hawaii to film any additional story threads for the remaining 5 episodes.

I agree the V promo bug on the screen was annoying. I managed to see the subtitles most of the time. Luckily Jack's dialogue filled in for Sun's subtitles that were blocked.
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post #866 of 1895
3/31/10 at 9:29am
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Can anyone confirm how far that original episode went?
 



Yeah, Sayid opened up the refrigerator and found Jin in there. Sayid asked who he was, Jin said "No English" and that was as far as we saw.
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post #867 of 1895
3/31/10 at 4:39pm
 Hmm, no ones cares that, in the alternate timeline, it is not clear why Jin and Sun are not married?  Also, I don't recall how Jin knew who Widmore was. Anyone recall?
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post #868 of 1895
3/31/10 at 5:03pm
Just realized something...

The translator that got shot in the eye....

He's the same guy wearing the patch (and now we know why)

who was protecting one of the outposts for the "others" in
(I believe) Season 3.

Am I correct on this?  If so, really neat how they snuck
that in. 

patchy.jpg

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post #869 of 1895
3/31/10 at 5:48pm
 Yep that was Mikhail
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post #870 of 1895
3/31/10 at 6:33pm
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Also, I don't recall how Jin knew who Widmore was. Anyone recall?


Since Widmore sent the freighter to the island, Jin would know who Widmore is but he's never seen him before.
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