Lost: Season Six - Page 21

I don't think it was ever suggeted it was anything other than a rivalry.  In fact, we've had multiple scenes that pretty much stated they are rivals in a "game."

 That reminds me... I hope they go into the whole Widmore / Ben 'game' a little more as well.  Because both sets similarly have rules that they're supposed to be held to, and that they've found a workaround for, but who makes the rules and the details of them has never been revealed for either.

i wonder if we'll ever get a clear explanation of the line 'we both know i can't (kill you)'

but most peple seem to believe one is evil and one is good. Maybe they both are evil or both good?

Yep, and Jack just now discovered the 'magic' applies to him as well.

There is a difference between Ben's inability to kill Widmore and Michael/Richard/Jack's inability to kill themselves, contrarily to what the "Island is not done with them" umbrella reason suggests.

If Richard's situation was similar to Widmore's, then asking Jack to kill him would have been pointless.

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So if Jacob and MIB are rivals, it seems it could parallel Ben Linus and Charles Widmore as some sort of rivals as well for control of the island. I just realized that, of course, you guys already knew that!

Poor Ben, it seems that as soon as they found him under that balloon, he's hardly had an episode where his face isn't beaten up and bloody. These last 2 years must have been nice for Michael Emerson. Watching this week, I can't imagine what the make-up room is like, they have to make everyone look sweaty and wet all the time!

That's exactly what I thought

I can't keep it all straight.  The show has gone on for 6 years
with very long breaks inbetween.  There is so much filler and
backstory line that most of the smaller stuff from the previous
season is forgotten by the time the next season begins.

This is why I find it very difficult to understand half the stuff
you guys are relating to.  I give all of you great credit, though,
for being able to retain all this LOST information.

 

Same here.  You have to go back and watch it again.
As much I think the show will make more sense, I do
think we'll be disappointed by some of the flaws in the
writing.  There definitely had to be moments where the
writers didn't know where to take this show.  There was
always the "end game" in mind, but having to film 6 seasons
of storyline to get from point A to point B is going to have
a lot of inconsistencies along the way.

I just hope when we finally get the answers that have
been promised in every promo this season thus far (except
this past week), it will truly bring most of what we saw
these past 6 years into perspective.

One of my little traditions for the past three or four years has been to spend a few week's worth of summer nights watching ALL of LOST from start to wherever the current finish was.  Oddly, I think the show, writing included, actually gets *better* on repeat viewings.  Rather than numerous plot holes jumping out at you, you instead get many instances of delicious dramatic irony and foreshadowing that you actually recognize as foreshadowing.

Of course, one could argue (and I know of a few board members who would do so) that most of these instances are really just cases of the writers looking back on past episodes, and turning those moments into foreshadow, rather than them actually being it from the get-go.  Either way, I think the show is just as strong--if not moreso--the second go 'round.

In a similar vein, while it's no secret I've been an adamant (illogical? fanatical? insane?) supporter of the show from the start, I have to admit that of course there are instances of "making it up as you go."  However, there seems to be a strong bias against this on these boards, and in the minds of many critics.  Perhaps, it could be argued, that "making some of it up as you go" is one of the better ways to construct a series such as LOST?  Think up a cool, massive story arc, and then simply fill in the gaps as you see fit, based on time constraints, budget, et cetera.

I guess my point here is why is does "fully-planned" equal "good," and "making some of it up as you go" equal "not as good?"  Maybe it should be the other way around...

I've gone back and re-watched the series from beginning to current at least once (and plan to do so again when the complete series is released on Blu), and have also gone back to random episodes now and again and one thing that I found a bit irritating upon second viewing have been the flashbacks. Perhaps some day we'll see a re-edited and linear version of the complete series without the flashbacks? It would play like one big, long epic film
Edited by elDomenechHTF - 3/12/10 at 10:34am

Some of the recent posts convey why I have gone back to watch the first three seasons again before moving on to season four.  And I do agree with what the poster above said regarding repeated viewings.

We just completed the tenth episode from season three (Trisha Tanaka Is Dead).  I've written a lot on this and other episodes from season three in other threads, so I won't repeat myself here.  But this series really is captivating to me on many levels, not the least of which is Giacchino's use of melodic material over various ostinati.  And in his "Life and Death," I recently heard a variation of pitch degrees on the tonic triad (what was previously 5-3-5-3-5-3-5 is now 3-1-3-1-3-1-3).  His manipulation of melody is very intriguing.

I'm going to have to listen very carefully to the piano work again, but I believe that in a few season three episodes (perhaps beginning with Not In Portland) I have been hearing quarter-tone music.  If he is using microtonal music for the piano, then IMO this is wonderfully appropriate at this juncture of the series given what is occurring in some of the story lines (Carl, Juliet, and the mentioning of Lenny a few times).  (The use of microtonal sonorities has a way of eliciting an asylum-like or 'delirium-like' sound world sonically.)

Edited by Ockeghem - 3/12/10 at 8:29pm

for me at least, this series is a bit easier to follow as LOST is the only hour-long show i watch on tv.  other shows i may watch when they're released on disc (like BSG, Generation Kill, Mad Men), but in terms of following it regularly, LOST is the only one.  everything else i watch regularly is sitcoms.

Michael Giacchino is simply brilliant.  Easily my second-favourite composer (behind Bear McCreary) working in television today.  His theatrical work is amazing, too.  It's easy to see why Pixar and JJ Abrams/Bad Robot use him almost exclusively.  Even his video game work, especially Medal of Honour, is stellar.

I doubt this would work - the flashbacks are often intended to inform what the character is doing and the episodes have a theme.
Dont get me wrong I think some of the flashbacks are not as good as others and this usually brings the quality of the episode down if they aren't and some characters flashbacks I enjoy more than others but I think the flashbacks and flashforwards etc are vital and without them it would ruin the show.

I remember watching a version of the film Memento which had been structured to run chronologically and it was terrible. The structure of Lost is IMO important as well as the story.

In the last 2 years or so, I've watched the weekly reruns up till the end of S3. It's been a thoroughly engrossing experience. To this day, sometimes I still miss the incredible feel of those first two seasons.

I don't recall being being distracted or put off by any inconsistencies. Heck, the only one I can even remember right now is Charlie claiming he couldn't swim, in the second or third episode where a survivor drowns. That was amusing.

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I don't know who Michael Giacchino is, but if he is the one responsible for the musical score on 'Lost', then I would agree he is brilliant.

Well, judging by how Charlie 'helps' assist Desmond in attempting to save Claire from drowning in season three (Flashes Before Your Eyes), I'd say he was telling the truth.

Yes, he is responsible for much of the original musical score.

Didn't he just win an oscar for UP ?

He did.  And, frankly, it was long overdue.  His scores for The Incredibles and Ratatouille were both worthy.  And, his score last year for Star Trek was great!

Well I guess I am going to be the odd man on this episode because I was not that thrilled. I guess in my mind Ben is bad, I don't want him to be saved, and I hope he dies before the show is over. That being said watching him be a teacher for an hour was boring. I would have found the episode much more exciting if right as Ben as for forgiveness Ilana granted it and then shot him in the chest.

MIB and Jedi powers I did not like either. Why not just hurl a knife with your mind into all your enemies. The electric fence that kept him out of the others camp could have over come with flying trees.

Prediction #137: The remains found in the cave in the first season are those of:
                         Rose and Bernard(?)

Reason why I think its them: They chose to stay and live out the rest of their lives on the island after Sawyer & Co. ran into them and invited them to tag along in Season 4. They haven't been seen since.

Prediction as to why a bag containing one white rock and one black rock was found on their remains?

Odd seeing Sawyer and Miles being cops on the flash sideways, and I was surprised to see Charlie's loser brother show up at the police station.

The car crash at the end caught me off guard, but it was pretty obvious who was running away long before the reveal.

I don't remember the exact wording, but

Widmore: "It's sad, really... How little you actually know."
-= Scene change =-

So much for a germane opportunity to explain some things to the characters and the viewers. But like an obedient Lost viewer, I simply smiled instead of getting frustrated. All in good time...