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post #271 of 1895
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Hmmm.....  Jacob's ladder?

 


Since Sawyer came down the ladder would that be his fall from heaven? This show just has so many things to talk about.

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post #272 of 1895
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 Ron, I can't believe you of all people put that up.

Never saw that clip before until it came up with
the other linked YouTube clip.  So, I was fooled.
post #273 of 1895
i've found both the fears and trembling Soren reference and Of Mice and Men very informative towards the motif they're trying to address here.
post #274 of 1895
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Raymond,

Are you asking for a particular title?
Yeah.

It's from The Departed. I just heard it a few days ago while it was on TV in background so when I saw the clip the music sounded so familar but couldn't place it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JAHi9Eu4rA
post #275 of 1895
More spoilers for returning cast members, as reported by Enterrainment Weekly:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Maggie Grace (Shannon)
Cythia Watros (Libby)
I know the second casting has been rumoured for a while now, but this is the first time I've seen it anywhere other than the blog of random person from the internet.  Of course, Entertainment Weekly seems to be having site issues, so no link for now.  I'll edit one back in later (or someone can beat me to it).
post #276 of 1895
Josh:

Re:  the second casting.  I hope the writers fill the related plot hole, as that was never fully resolved way back when!

--John
post #277 of 1895
I used to think that, but I also now believe that the revelation that Jacob has manipulated the destinies of our characters takes care of that. The survivors were connected pre-Island, and ran into each other long before they crashed, doubtless because of Jacob. This one is simply one of them.

Simply put, as of last Tuesday, I wouldn't have a problem with never seeing that character again. I wouldn't consider it a plot hole.

--
H
post #278 of 1895
Good point, Holadem.  Maybe it's not a plot hole, but more of a loose end that was never really tied up.  The reveal about the above character and how she met one of the other characters pre-island time threw me for a loop.  I wish it was resolved, but I can live with any direction the writers go with her character.

--John
post #279 of 1895
Well, if Sawyer does end up being the new Jacob, all future candidates are going to have funny nicknames.
post #280 of 1895
I think there exists a possibility the fractured time line will come into play and Locke actually will return to the island. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think they are just showing us this time line for seeing what their lives are like without having the plane crash. Mainly because we were shown their lives after getting off the island and it seems all too drab for their writing style for it not to be going somewhere really surprising. I think it could be used for several things but will have to wait and see how it all plays out. For one, I still think Locke will himself be back and become the new Jacob keeping guard over Smoke monster. I can also see them becoming the new "Others" on the island. Meaning that in order to keep the balance of good and evil, Locke would send for people as well maybe. That would mean we would see another plane crash near the end of the show with the survivors starting out just like the O6 did when the show first started. Only the O6 would now be the "Others" and Locke would be the new Jacob.
post #281 of 1895
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't think they are just showing us this time line for seeing what their lives are like without having the plane crash.

That's my thinking, and I certainly hope that's the case.  If it's just a "what if" deal then that's lost on me (no pun intended).
post #282 of 1895
what if: the O6 all die at the same time in some major event, and their conciousness' are transferred to the "alternate" timeline?

another idea, maybe in the alt. timeline, the Island is sunk, not directly because of the bomb, but because something happened that enabled MiB to "win".   
Edited by EricW - 2/19/10 at 10:34pm
post #283 of 1895
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Originally Posted by EricW View Post

what if: the O6 all die at the same time in some major event, and their conciousness' are transferred to the "alternate" timeline?

another idea, maybe in the alt. timeline, the Island is sunk, not directly because of the bomb, but because something happened that enabled MiB to "win".   

That's assuming that what we know so far is the truth. But what if the good guy in white (Jacob) is really the dark (evil) and Smoke Monster/Dark the good? There is a possibility the monster was keeping Jacob there as a watch dog and though unable to control him sending for help, he can contain him and also alter/possess people to aid his wishes. Sure, everything points to Smoke Monster being evil and his actions, but you could really turn things around if you wanted to write it that way.
post #284 of 1895
Guys, I'm kinda curious about an aspect of Lost that you've been discussing here. I don't follow it as closely as you guys do, I decided to just enjoy it and watch it weekly without dissecting it too much. I'll just keep on with my simplistic interpretations.

But one aspect about this series has kind of been in the back of my mind since the first we saw Jack open his eyes on the island. There's that sci-fi/fantasy element going on here. Yet the show doesn't always cross that line in such a definite way. Well, now it seems to be with Locke/MIB transformation. 

I know from interviews that JJ Abrams is a huge Twilight Zone fan. 

I can't help but wonder if on the last day of the series, we'll see these passengers wake up in an Air Force training mission and realize they've all been in a dream or this has been some kind of mindgame they've been experiencing to test them. That is of course a Twilight Zone plot and twist ending. 
post #285 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Nelson Au View Post

Guys, I'm kinda curious about an aspect of Lost that you've been discussing here. I don't follow it as closely as you guys do, I decided to just enjoy it and watch it weekly without dissecting it too much. I'll just keep on with my simplistic interpretations.

But one aspect about this series has kind of been in the back of my mind since the first we saw Jack open his eyes on the island. There's that sci-fi/fantasy element going on here. Yet the show doesn't always cross that line in such a definite way. Well, now it seems to be with Locke/MIB transformation. 

I know from interviews that JJ Abrams is a huge Twilight Zone fan. 

I can't help but wonder if on the last day of the series, we'll see these passengers wake up in an Air Force training mission and realize they've all been in a dream or this has been some kind of mindgame they've been experiencing to test them. That is of course a Twilight Zone plot and twist ending. 
I sure hope not that would be very disappointing.Wasn't something very similar done just a year ago with another show.... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
,Life on Mars
?
post #286 of 1895
 Yeah Tony, I didn't want to mention that show in case it was a spoiler for someone. But I was thinking that too.
post #287 of 1895
i hope MiB doesn't turn out to be the good guy because the show is ultimately about "pure" good vs "pure" evil.  sure i'm fine with Jacob being the bad guy, as evil can do whatever it wants in whatever form, but "pure" good should play by the rules and not have an "ends justify the means" mentality. 

here's another thought; did Jacob go to Jack, Kate, Sawyer, etc in the 70's because he chose them, or because these characters went back in time and were introduced to him?  if it was the latter, then it's another endless loop.  like Locke being though of as the leader...
post #288 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Nelson Au View Post

I can't help but wonder if on the last day of the series, we'll see these passengers wake up in an Air Force training mission and realize they've all been in a dream or this has been some kind of mindgame they've been experiencing to test them. That is of course a Twilight Zone plot and twist ending. 

Or what if they were... in some kind of PURGATORY?!

Just pulling your chain Nelson, that theory (like the purgatory one) is sooo season 1. ;-)

LOST has given us a finely crafted and coherent "mythology" that has finally begun making sense in the last couple of seasons. Everything is falling into place. I firmly believe we are driving toward a satisfying and long determined resolution.

--
H
post #289 of 1895
 didn't the producers tell us that the resolution to the series was all based in the known science of today? or was that just for a specific issue?
post #290 of 1895
Ive been rewatching Season 2 while watching new episodes and a question occurred to me as I watch the episode "Dave" where Hurley is "visited" by his imaginary friend from the mental hospital who tries to get him to kill himself.

Was assuming this was MiB/Smoke Monster trying to get Hurley to kill himself given what we know from Season 6. Was also trying to think who has seen visions of dead people (not animals) or imaginary people - is it limited to the 6 names on the list on the wall (Kwons, Sawyer, Hurley, Jack, Locke. Sayid) and therefore MiB is simply trying to get each of these characters to die whilst playing by the rules ?? Similar attempt made on Jack when he had visions of his father and nearly fell of a cliff in Season 1. Does this mean he can kill the rest of the characters (pilot, Echo), just not the ones on the list because they are candidates? Instead he has to get others to do it for him.

Enjoying Season 2 again even more as they refer to things like "The Incident" and Rousseau telling Claire she hope she understands what she has to do if her baby is "infected."
Edited by Simon Massey - 2/22/10 at 8:04am
post #291 of 1895
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Or what if they were... in some kind of PURGATORY?!

Just pulling your chain Nelson, that theory (like the purgatory one) is sooo season 1. ;-) 

Hey Holadem! 

Sure, I remember those comments in the early threads! The thought of some Twilight Zone ending seemed to pop back in my head. 
post #292 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Simon Massey View Post

Ive been rewatching Season 2 while watching new episodes and a question occurred to me as I watch the episode "Dave" where Hurley is "visited" by his imaginary friend from the mental hospital who tries to get him to kill himself.

Was assuming this was MiB/Smoke Monster trying to get Hurley to kill himself given what we know from Season 6. Was also trying to think who has seen visions of dead people (not animals) or imaginary people - is it limited to the 6 names on the list on the wall (Kwons, Sawyer, Hurley, Jack, Locke) and therefore MiB is simply trying to get each of these characters to die whilst playing by the rules ?? Similar attempt made on Jack when he had visions of his father and nearly fell of a cliff in Season 1. Does this mean he can kill the rest of the characters (pilot, Echo), just not the ones on the list because they are candidates? Instead he has to get others to do it for him.

Enjoying Season 2 again even more as they refer to things like "The Incident" and Rousseau telling Claire she hope she understands what she has to do if her baby is "infected."

For what it's worth, Kate saw the horse (Sawyer saw the same one) and her name wasn't shown to us or Sawyer to be on the cave wall.  Of course, it has to be noted that just because it wasn't shown on the wall doesn't mean it isn't there--but it's definitely notable that her name was not seen.

Shannon also saw Walt three times, and Sayid saw him on the third ocassion.  Walt wasn't dead, though.

Not trying to debunk your theory or anything--simply pointing out a few instances where non-candidates had visions.
post #293 of 1895
I watched the enhanced version (with subtitles) of "The Incident" last night, they made it clear that there was something to Jacob touching the characters. I dismissed that speculation last year as being too... mechanical I guess (for lack of better word), but clearly I was wrong. They also suggest that Locke may have been revived by Jacob following his fall from the window. He certainly acted like it, but I didn't make much of it back then.

This is probably old news to most of you anyway.

--
H
post #294 of 1895
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Originally Posted by EricW View Post

i hope MiB doesn't turn out to be the good guy because the show is ultimately about "pure" good vs "pure" evil.

 

Strange, that. At this moment, I can't recall a single pure good character on the show. Rather, I see all of them as just like us -- capable of doing "good" and "bad" things.

 
post #295 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Holadem View Post

I watched the enhanced version (with subtitles) of "The Incident" last night, they made it clear that there was something to Jacob touching the characters. I dismissed that speculation last year as being too... mechanical I guess (for lack of better word), but clearly I was wrong. They also suggest that Locke may have been revived by Jacob following his fall from the window. He certainly acted like it, but I didn't make much of it back then.

This is probably old news to most of you anyway.

--
H

In your defense, you might still be right.  Cuse and Lindelof have stated that the "enchanced" versions are not canon, and are made by marketing company seperate from ABC.  This isn't to say that they should be dismissed out of hand, but rather that just because it appeared on the enchanced episode doesn't make it true.

I guess we'll find out either way in the coming months :)
post #296 of 1895
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 For what it's worth, Kate saw the horse (Sawyer saw the same one) and her name wasn't shown to us or Sawyer to be on the cave wall.  Of course, it has to be noted that just because it wasn't shown on the wall doesn't mean it isn't there--but it's definitely notable that her name was not seen.

Shannon also saw Walt three times, and Sayid saw him on the third ocassion.  Walt wasn't dead, though.

Not trying to debunk your theory or anything--simply pointing out a few instances where non-candidates had visions.

 


Yeah I thought of that

I dismissed people seeing animals because its usually seen by more than one of them and they seem to have been brought to the island either for study by Dharma or through the portals ?!? and are real.

Your comment about Walt being not dead was why I didnt mention people seeing him and was thinking that was not MiB. Having said that you could argue that the visions of Walt ended up getting Shannon killed so if it wasnt MiB who was it? Or it could have been Mib ultimately trying to get Sayid shot by using Shannon since Sayid is a candidate - missed him off the list above.

EDIT Also remembered that Michael saw Christian at the end of Season 4 before the boat blew up so perhaps Mib can appear to anyone but he was trying to kill one of the Kwons by getting the boat blown up
post #297 of 1895
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 For what it's worth, Kate saw the horse (Sawyer saw the same one) and her name wasn't shown to us or Sawyer to be on the cave wall.  Of course, it has to be noted that just because it wasn't shown on the wall doesn't mean it isn't there--but it's definitely notable that her name was not seen.
 

Re-watched last weeks ep last night and I'm of the opinion Kate's name isn't there. At first Swayer has the torch and finds Jack's name himself. Then Flocke methodically shows each name to Sawyer ending with "last but not least" when he shows Sawyer his own name. I just don't think they're trying to trick us here, Kate's name isn't there. Which of course would seem to be very important.
 
Sawyer didn't have much time to think about it before the ep ended but it didn't seem to occur to him that Kate's name wasn't there.
post #298 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Nelson Au View Post

I can't help but wonder if on the last day of the series, we'll see these passengers wake up in an Air Force training mission and realize they've all been in a dream or this has been some kind of mindgame they've been experiencing to test them. That is of course a Twilight Zone plot and twist ending.
 

Nelson,

What you've written also reminded me of one of the best episodes of TOL, "Nightmare."  BTW, I like your speculation, whether it has been done before or not. :)


Edited by Ockeghem - 2/22/10 at 11:34am
post #299 of 1895
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Re-watched last weeks ep last night and I'm of the opinion Kate's name isn't there. At first Swayer has the torch and finds Jack's name himself. Then Flocke methodically shows each name to Sawyer ending with "last but not least" when he shows Sawyer his own name. I just don't think they're trying to trick us here, Kate's name isn't there. Which of course would seem to be very important.
 
 

I agree that her name isn't there.  I was just covering my ass for later, in case it turns out it is there, and the camera just didn't show it (that would be a major cheat by the show IMO).
post #300 of 1895
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I agree that her name isn't there.  I was just covering my ass for later, in case it turns out it is there, and the camera just didn't show it (that would be a major cheat by the show IMO).
 


Since they didn't show her name or have a cutaway to her encounter with Jacob, I think it's safe to assume that her name is nowhere on that wall.
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