Lost: Season Six - Page 6

I was thinking about Jacob and MIB's diferences and was wondering if they could be like the Babylon 5 Vorlon versus Shadow idea. One wanting Chaos (MIB) one wanting order (Jacob).

For those who missed it (and care), here are the links to the Cuse/Lindelof interview on Jimmy Kimmel last week.  This is the one where he asks a bunch of good questions--no spoilers though, of course.

Part One
(about 2 minutes in if you just want to zoom through)

Part Two
(about 1 minute in for more questions)

Cuse and Lindelof discuss the numbers, coincidences/fate about the scenes on the plane, and Jacob/Smokey/Nemesis/Sayid.

I also like how one of them is wearing black, and the other white (grey) :)

Ethan was back! And still looking after Claire's baby.

It felt like a slower episode to me, though when it was over, I was surprised. For whatever reason, tonight was the first time I've really felt like Lost is unnecessarily vague. Really. It's like you could ask if someone made their oat meal with water or milk and you'd get back either an empty glare or some kind of obtuse answer like, "Does it matter?" Or, "Either will sustain you." Look, I'm lactose intolerant, so could you for the love of God just answer the friggin' question for once? It just felt like a waste of precious limited time.

Anyway... Next week looks like it picks up again.

^^^

Reading that Ethan was back sure was a bit eerie since I saw him 'die' tonight in Homecoming. ;)  But I remember seeing him in later episodes (flashbacks?) when he was part of the D.I.

I have a question for anyone who owns Lost on DVD.  The first four seasons come with a booklet that includes descriptions of each episode.  I noticed today, after receiving season four and season five, that the fifth season does not include a booklet.  Is this normal, or am I missing my booklet?  Thanks.

So, with what Dogen said about Sayid/Claire, it seems that perhaps Claire really did die in that house explosion when the mercs invaded. It made me think back to how James got pissed at Miles because he was looking at her strangely. He did the same with Sayid, so maybe he noticed something off in them both.

Anyway, I just realized that Dogen is played by the same guy who was the captain of Icarus 2 in Sunshine. I knew he looked familiar, but I'm surprised it took that long to hit me considering how much I love that film.

nope, no booklet in season 5, even though there's a slot where one would go.

"Say, I'm an escaped convict who hijacked your taxi and recently pointed a gun at you before stealing your bag, but since I came back to give it back to you, would you like a ride in my stolen cab?"

"Sure!"

"Meh" episode for me.  Would have been totally okay with it normally but it seems kind of late in the game for an episode like that.  Ironically the promo at the end said the time for questions is over but it seems that's all we got in this episode.

I agree that this is absurd on its face. However, it again makes me wonder, are these characters experiencing memories from their other reality? Did Clare instinctively trust Kate because some part of her remembers their experience on the island? That's really the only way her behavior makes sense. 

On another note it was great seeing Rob McElhenney's Aldo again.

Greg said:

""Say, I'm an escaped convict who hijacked your taxi and recently pointed a gun at you before stealing your bag, but since I came back to give it back to you, would you like a ride in my stolen cab?"

"Sure!""

 I know. I understand that they needed to get Claire and Kate together, and it's become even more apparent that the alt-timeline characters are affected by the experience on the Island, therefore Claire and Kate are pre-disposed toward bonding with each another. Even then, the way they got together has to be the laziest and clumsiest bit of subplot I've ever seen on this show.


Mikah:

"For whatever reason, tonight was the first time I've really felt like Lost is unnecessarily vague. Really. It's like you could ask if someone made their oat meal with water or milk and you'd get back either an empty glare or some kind of obtuse answer like, "Does it matter?" Or, "Either will sustain you." Look, I'm lactose intolerant, so could you for the love of God just answer the friggin' question for once? It just felt like a waste of precious limited time."

Took you long enough! :-P This sort of nonsense is a mainstay of the series. It is tolerable most of the time because they throw you a bone every so often, or something really interesting is happening in other subplots. Here it stands out a bit more because the episode doesn't have much else to offer. Really, there is nothing new about that dialog. This is the aspect of LOST we have been complaining about for ages. 

Here is another thing that has plagued the series since day one: pointless secrecy. Why would Jack want to speak to Sayid alone about the pill? Some secrecy may have been justified early on when they were all strangers (frankly I never thought it was) but after all they have been through together for years, why the secrecy now? What's wrong with Hurley and Miles knowing what's up? Absolutely nothing, but if they did, it wouldn't be LOST.

Ya, this ep is a showcase for the worst aspects of the series. Brought back painful memories of early S3, when Jack kate and Sawyer were captive of the Others. Except this Japanese guy is no Ben.

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At the very least, they should have had Kate ditch the cab for some other car. The idea that she'd keep tooling around in it just pushed the whole bit way past absurdity.

It was good seeing Ethan back though. Can't wait to see alt timeline Ben.

Matt,

Many thanks. I wanted to be certain that one hadn't been left out. Now I don't have to sent it back for a replacement. Much appreciated. :)

Really surprised to see such a mediocre ep at this point. Hope it's not a bad omen.

One thing I noticed was that the scene with Kate car-jacking the cab was different than the scene we saw last week. Hard to believe it means anything (e.g. yet another reality) but knowing how closely this show is watched and after showing us differences in the S1 & S6 opener timelines seems pretty stupid to be re-shooting scenes.

I'm not sure that anybody is "remembering things" from a timeline they never lived through.  I think it is more likely that Jacob's touching them happened in both timelines and has in some way sensitized them to one another.  I think they all have a destiny in both universes, and that they are connected to one another in both. 

BTW, was I the only one who kept waiting for Sayid to say, "I mean, if we only had a wheelbarrow, that would be something."?  

Regards,

Joe

I missed the premiere last week and I didn't get a chance to watch it on-line or buy it on iTunes. Been really busy with work! So I'm behind and I haven't read all the earlier posts yet.

I did see the recap episode last night and the new episode. I thought the 2 hours flew by! But was part one of the premiere nothing more then James digging Juliet out of the rubble? And the rest was those Flash Sideways? Is that why they just re-played part 2? I must find time to watch part one, but what happened after the bomb blew up? Juliet looks like she was no worse for the wear, I would have thought she'd have vaporized and the crater that I saw didn't look that big. Jack, James and Kate didn't get hurt?

I know I'm way behind you guys, I guess the water in the temple wasn't clear because Jacob died. But I'm a little lost with Locke. I realized he's not really Locke anymore, but I was confused. In the episode were Jacob is cooking and eating a fish on the beach last season, he is talking to another guy who said he wants to kill him. I gather that's who you refer to as the Man in Black whose come back as Locke? Who could also be the smoke monster?

Thanks!

Oh yeah, forgot the mention, this Sideways business reminds me that the writing staff, one of which was involved in the Star Trek movie, has a similar idea here where a different timeline, as seen in the Sideways, appears to also have the convenient coincidence. Seems these characters will always meet, in either timeline, Star Trek and Lost.

 Thanks Travis, then I'll have to see the first part of the premiere.

For all the people wanting answers, you guys sure are quick to call an episode "boring" when it gives 'em.

This episode answered the following:

- Who the Japanese guy is, and why he chooses not to the speak English (the real reason).  Minor I know, but people read into everything here.

- If Jacob is doing *something* to Sayid.  I think it's safe to say he is not (as was hinted by Cuse/Lindelof in that interview I linked above).

- Did Claire die?  The next step is to explain what she was doing all that time.

- Are the Others defending against the Black Smoke, or something/someone else?  Also, the Others actually answered questions point blank, when Kate asked them.  Well, one did, and one didn't, but it's better than season 3, where nobody was asking anything (a complaint I still think is absolutely ridiculous).

- We know that there's a possibilty Danielle was right when she said her team had been "infected," so many years back.  It wasn't just the ravings of a mad women.

- According to the sonogram (as well as how far along Claire is in the alternate timeline), we know this reality takes place one month later than the original 815 flight.  Of course, this raises new questions, but come on, that's pretty important!

I for one thought it was a good episode.  In particular, I enjoyed seeing some real emotion from Sawyer.  We've invested a lot of time in these characters, and even though the show has a plot to continue, and arcs to wrap up, in the end it's about the characters (to me), and what they represent.  Sawyer admitting that it's his fault Juliet stayed, and that he asked her because he was afraid of being alone is a major milestone for the character.

There were some nice nods to previous episodes here, too.  Like Sawyer tossing the ring in the water, just like Desmond did, the stuffed whale, Aldo the Other.

"We've invested a lot of time in these characters, and even though the show has a plot to continue, and arcs to wrap up, in the end it's about the characters (to me), and what they represent."

Very well said. I understand that many viewers need resolution, but for my own part, I'm quite pleased the show exists as is, and would be fine if it didn't resolve many of the questions that have been raised over the years. Conjecture and speculation are some of the driving forces behind much of the discussion I engage in for this show on this and other Boards. :)

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I was curious about this.  I could have sworn he was killed during that escape a couple seasons ago.  Can anyone confirm that it was indeed just a blow with the butt of a pistol?  I did think it was strange that the writers seemed to go out of their way to point out what happened that day.

And Josh, most of those are questions I didn't care that much about, were introduced last week, or just opened up more questions.

"- According to the sonogram (as well as how far along Claire is in the alternate timeline), we know this reality takes place one month later than the original 815 flight.  Of course, this raises new questions, but come on, that's pretty important!"

I thought it was her due date that was October 2004 and on the sonogram.  Ethan said she was 36 weeks which would be in line with the September 2004 timeframe for Flight 815.

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Aldo is a mystery. He appeared to be just knocked out in the season 3 attack. But looking at his page on lostpedia, the producers claim he was dead, but not from that attack. They called it housekeeping, just eliminating characters they didn't need anymore. But then they later say he was just knocked out. The whole thing is just sloppy and I don't like that on lost, or any tv show. Why was it even nessasary for it to be Aldo? It could have just been another random other. Having it be Aldo didn't advance the storyline at all, it was simply for the diehard fans.

Aldo never died on the show. I don't see a problem.

Not the greatest ep, but it's interesting that the "sickness" Danielle warned Sayid about way back in the first season is finally coming into play. I guess her team was "claimed" much like Sayid (and Claire, apparently) have been.

I've got a handy holocaust cloak right here!

It seems from the end of the episode that Claire has become the new Danielle.  Setting traps, running around the jungle all haggard, and shooting others with a rifle.

This is interesting, because both Clarie and Danielle came to the island pregnant, and had their baby on the island.  Both of them had their baby kidnapped by the others (or attempted to kidnap).  The Japanese guy said that Claire had become infected, which we can infer that the exact same thing happened to Danielle.  Now Danielle's ramblings in the first season about becoming 'infected' are finally starting to make sense.  It seems that if you are 'infected', you are working for the smoke monster/MiB, since both Danielle, and now Claire are opposing the Others, who seem to be working for Jacob.

 I think I am a die hard fan of LOST (which basically means that I'd never skip an episode, and always look forward to the next one) until I read some of this stuff, and realize that I am just a very casual fan compared to many of you guys:

Aldo? People actually remember this guy? Really?! Wow.

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I think Aldo is mostly memorable because he is played by Rob McElhenny, who created and stars in "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" on FX. It's more the stunt casting than the fact that his character is particularly memorable, IMHO.

Oh, I didn't know that's how sonograms work (they place the baby's ETA on-screen, instead of the current date).  Thanks!