Lost: Season Six - Page 5

I was leaning towards Rose and Bernard, since we have not seen them in the island scenario yet.

another question is, at what point was the alternate reality created?  was it the specific point where Juliette sets off the bomb?  does that mean in the 815-crashes "original" reality, that Juliette keeps smashing the bomb, and it does NOT go off, but they are transported to 'present day' anyways?

What about Flocke? Or MiBlocke?

I can't believe how many names Locke has now.

If we are taking votes I like Unlocke

Smocke?

  Love it!

My local ABC affiliate's SD-over-cable is 4:3 (wow, a much more complicated answer than "Yes"). I dunno if this decision is local or at the network level. I've seen some NBC shows letterboxed. (And sometimes it seems like somebody at the station forgot to "press a button" one way or the other.) I guess with OTA and a converter box, when down-converting OTA HD you get to choose?

I liked the premiere, and the idea of what-if it went one way, and if went another way. I wonder if history of the island is doomed to repeat itself, only this time happening in LA.


With the 815-crashes original reality (as you put it), the bomb does go off and they just get transported back to the present.


I could not watch 2 hours of anything on ABC, with the way they schedule their commercial breaks, especially with Lost. Luckily, I was able to watch one of the episodes on Hulu, commercial free.

Walter, no dvr?

that doesn't make sense... if the bomb goes off in both realities, what's causes the Island to go underwater?

I really appreciate reading the views and speculations of posters regarding this remarkable show.

Even though this is the Season Six thread, I wanted to mention briefly that during dinner tonight, we watched The Other 48 Days and Collision.  Then, with a little egging on from our oldest girl (she's 15 1/2), we started watching Lost from the very beginning tonight.  We watched Pilot (the two-part opener).  Even though we have the fourth and fifth seasons on the way, we still have a ton of Andromeda to complete before we can get to the fourth season of Lost.  We thought it would be great to catch up on the first three seasons.  Some episodes we've seen twice, but many we've only seen once.  By the time we're done with the first three seasons, we should be done with Andromeda, as we'll be watching an episode from both series most nights.  Then it's on to the fourth season of Lost.

Did anyone else besides me get the sense that Jack, while on the alternate-reality flight, retained at least some memory of everything that had occurred on the island? He seemed to glance at each of his fellow castaways with a curious / knowing look ("there's Kate, and she doesn't even know me").

Or maybe he just has some vague sensation of déjà vu.

No DVR for me.


I'm saying, all the bomb did, was send them back to the present time, but not reset the timeline. Thus the plan failed.

Let's say the bomb did not go off, as you suggested, then I would guess someone turned the time wheel. Now the question is... who?

As far as the island sinking, your guess is good as mine!

Jack seems to be experiencing something closer to extremely vague Deja Vu than memory.

The bomb didn't send them back in time. The bomb, combined with the energy pocket, caused a tlimeline fracture. In one timeline, folks ended up back to the future. In the other one, they did not end up "back to the future" per se. Instead, what we're seeing is a timeline branch that begins in 1977 (or so) and has progressed to the point where we join it already in progress aboard Oceanic 815 prime.

i'm expecting the mirror universe Spock vs. Smocke fight to the death soon. ;).

just sayin that this type o' storytelling has been done before in the realm of sci fi books/tv/movies/etc. for a very long time. i'm so happy and glad that "all my non-SciFi enjoying" friends are finally catching onto the fact that Sci Fi truly is the genre of all genres.

Quote: And in both the audio and video podcast they allude to something like this.  Check out the podcasts for some interesting theories put forth by the executive producers.

love this show - can they really wrap all this up in 16 episodes

Seems we are going to follow the 2 timelines now for the rest of the season to me. I expect characters to die in both timelines and I have a feeling the islanders may be given a choice at some point of staying in that reality or going over to the other.

Regarding Christian - could it be that the bodies were missing from the plane in both realities and that there never was a body on the plane at all ?

i've been re-watching season 5, and was at the episode where Sawyer integrates Jack+co into Dharma.  in that episode, Sun and Lipedis go back to the abandoned Dharma camp and are met by not-Christian.  minutes before, the smoke-monster sound was heard as they approached the camp.  when Sun tells them she's looking for Jin, not-Christian shows them a photo from 1977. 
so point 1, is not-Christian the MiB?  it certainly fits the pattern.  so far MiB has transformed to Ecko's brother, Locke, and Ben's daughter. all these people were, at one time, dead bodies on the Island.  it's just weird that i've always thought not-Christian was working for Jacob. 
point 2, if not-Christian is the MiB, then it means both he and Jacob have been involved with, or know of, the O6 long before Flight 815.

Pretty sure that's wrong. Isn't his goal to get off the island?

I think the bomb went off in both realities:  In the 815-crash reality the bomb exploded but was a kind of "fizzle" and produced "the incident" and all that followed with Dharma, the hatches and the numbers.  It also, as a side-effect, triggered Island Magnetic Anomaly 1 (IMA-1) and sent Jack & Co. back to the future.  In the "no crash" timeline the bomb goes off full-force (and/or triggers a really big reaction in IMA-1) and sinks the whole island, and therefore 815 flies over it with only a slight "bump" due to the untapped energies of IMA-1, still lurking beneath the spot.

I think the set-up for this season is interesting because it lets the producers have it both ways:  They can kill anyone or everyone in the "island" timeline, and yet still give us a happy ending in the "mainland" timeline.  Or mix things up.  And given that it is the last season, all bets are off and they can do anything they want without worrying about having to bring certain people back next week. Should make for the most unpredictable season yet.  



I haven't seen anything to suggest what his goal really is.  Given that he knew (or claims to know) what John Locke was thinking at the moment of his death, I think the Man in Black was in L.A. when Locke died.  (In some sense.  In him or with him.)  I think he's been off the island repeatedly and that "going home" doesn't mean anything as simple as leaving that place. 

Regards,

Joe

Last Season there were some print ads that featured a photo of the cast with the island in the background and reflected in the water was the silhouette of a skyline. Did anyone else notice this and what do you think it means?

Well, if the Man in Black is the smoke monster, as was alluded to in the season premiere, than he has been on the island for quite some time. Perhaps "home" is the temple. Judging by Lennon's words to the castaways, "it's to keep him out," it seems like the temple was being fortified against the smoke monster. 

I agree about Christian however. I don't believe that all of the apparitions have necessarily been manifestations of the smoke monster. We've actually seen Christian's manifestation in LA, to Jack in the hospital,  and to Michael, on the boat before it explodes. At this point in the story we haven't seen any indication the the smoke monster can leave the island, only Christian.

It has always seemed to me that Christian was being honest when he told Locke that he speaks for Jacob. Guiding Locke off the island may have given the Man in Black his loophole, but I remain convinced that Jacob himself wanted the castaways to return. After he was stabbed by Ben, Jacob remarked "They're coming" which seemed to surprise/annoy the Man in Black. This after a series of flashbacks which showed Jacob deliberately touching the castaways at various points throughout their lives. I remain convinced that they are Jacob's agents, and that Christian is indeed working on Jacob's behalf, helping to steer them along their path. 

If Christian is the smoke monster than this seems like either an example of really bad writing, deliberately designed to mislead the viewer, or evidence that the writers really are making it all up as they go along. Vincent has no relationship to Jack or to Christian for that matter, and there would be no reason at all for the smoke monster to take Christian's form to give Vincent instructions. Why not Walt's step father Brian? Or if the image needs to be of someone dead, Walt's mother? Someone that Vincent would recognize and be happy to oblige? 

At this point in the timeline, the apparition seemed more interested in guiding Jack, to save survivors on the beach, to the caves and fresh water. I suppose one could argue that this was all part of the smoke monster's drawn out plot to eventually impersonate the dead Locke, but it seems likely that something else is going on. 



Edited by Tim Gerdes - 2/8/10 at 7:39am

That was the season 5 logo.  It symbolized how some of the action took place on the mainland (the O6 stuff) while the other half (ish) took place on the island.

Damn, is it 9:00 o'clock yet?

It is quite possible that some of Christian's appearances have been the MiB and others have been Jacob.  They both appear to have shape-shifting powers and there's no particular reason they should not use the same disguise for their different ends.  Whether or not they "are" both Smokey is another matter. It may be that Smokey is the natural form for both of them, and that - once again - some of "his" appearances have been the manifestation of MiB and others that of Jacob. 

Regards,

Joe

I don't recall Jacob as smokey. Is this inferred by the fact that smokey has let some people we consider "good" continue to live?