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The Golden Age of Television
Marty/Patterns/No Time for Sergeants/A Wind from the South/Bang the Drum Slowly/Requiem for a Heavyweight/The Comedian/Days of Wine and Roses
Directed by Delbert Mann, Fielder Cook, John Frankenheimer, et al

Studio: Criterion
Year: 1953-1958
Aspect Ratio: 1.33:1
Running Time: 485 minutes
Rating: NR
Audio: Dolby Digital 1.0 English
Subtitles: SDH
MSRP: $ 49.95

Release Date: November 24, 2009
Review Date: November 17, 2009
 
 
The Collection
5/5
 
Eight of the greatest live broadcasts from the golden age of television in the 1950s (hence the title of this collection) have been gathered together into this treasurable anthology that presents some of the greatest actors of the era performing teleplays from the era’s greatest television dramatists and all done live without the benefit of retakes, do-overs, or false starts. You’ll see some slip-ups, both actors stumbling over some words and technicians with out of focus cameras or lighting that washes out the picture. But none of the small snafus matter a whit when you have dramas this involving and with actors operating at the top of their profession. Live television may not have had the golden cachet of a major studio feature film or an acclaimed Broadway presentation, but luckily for viewers today, these magic moments were caught by the technology of kinescopes (a movie camera shooting the broadcast off of a television monitor) thus preserving these wonderful works and these glorious (often award winning) performances for us to enjoy more than half a century later.
 
The collection begins with 1953’s Marty, a one hour drama written by Oscar and Emmy winning playwright Paddy Chayefsky. Concerning the searching for love of a plain Bronx butcher (Rod Steiger) who’s almost thirty-seven years old with no prospects for marriage even though every sibling and relative harangues him daily about his bachelor status, Marty reflects its New York Italian roots firmly based on family interference mixed with tough love. It’s a spare, terse drama with especially winning work from Steiger and his concerned mother played by Esther Minciotti. Nancy Marchand plays the drab school teacher who’s drawn to Marty’s quiet decency, and buried in the cast in small roles are Betsy Palmer, Nehemiah Persoff, and Don Gordon.
 
Rod Serling’s first Emmy came via Patterns, his 1955 drama with two rival industrial relations men, one going up (Richard Kiley) and one on the way down (Ed Begley). Both are under the thumb of driven chief executive Mr. Ramsie (Everett Sloane). The heated board room exchanges between these three men make for some of the most electrifying drama contained on any of the set’s programs, performances that hold up today despite having to be delivered live without missing a beat. Both Begley and Sloane received Emmy nominations for their work, and Kiley matches them every step of the way. Elizabeth Wilson makes a fine dedicated secretary for the two rivals while June Dayton etches a cunning portrait of an ambitious wife proud of her husband’s accomplishments and not above pushing for his promotion every chance she can. Look fast and you’ll see Elizabeth Montgomery in a tiny role as one of the girls in the secretarial pool.
 
No Time for Sergeants reintroduced the folksy Andy Griffith to a 1955 national television audience in a charming performance as simple-minded do-gooder Will Stockdale recently inducted into the Air Force, a man who goes out of his way to make his sergeant (Harry Clark) proud and managing to involve others in his innocent schemes while he himself comes out of them smelling like a rose. Performed before an appreciative studio audience who laughs long and loud at the various shenanigans (and the quick changing sets and lots of props still impress decades later; kudos to director Alex Segal), No Time for Sergeants was such a hit (nominated for an Emmy as Program of the Year) that it was immediately snapped up for Broadway (with an almost two year run) and then a hit movie version, all starring Griffith.
 
Perhaps the biggest surprise of the set is the delectable romance A Wind from the South, undoubtedly the least well known of these eight collected works. Written by future Emmy winner James Costigan, it starred Julie Harris (at the time becoming one of the most acclaimed actresses in America with a string of Broadway hits and some notable movie roles already to her credit) as a repressed Irish colleen trapped in a stifling partnership with her embittered brother Liam (Michael Higgins) running a bed and breakfast in Ireland. Into her life comes unhappily married Robert (Donald Woods) who’s instantly smitten but who waits until the evening before his departure to tell her how he feels. Their one night together in the lovely evening under the willows wakes her up to the possibilities that life has to offer her only if she’s willing to unwind herself from her brother’s poisonous sullenness and pursue it. With delicate, touching portrayals by the two lovers (Harris earned an Emmy nomination) and elegant direction by Daniel Petrie, this one hour drama is a real gem. Roy Scheider can be glimpsed as extra during the dance hall sequence.
 
Bang the Drum Slowly is the first dramatic incarnation of Mark Harris’ moving novel, and it stars Paul Newman as ace pitcher Henry Wiggen who tells the story of his road roommate, catcher Bruce Pearson (Albert Salmi), who learns he’s got a degenerative disease and less than a year to live but who wants to keep on playing baseball despite his ill health. Henry refuses to sign a new contract unless he can have the owner's word that Bruce won’t be cut for any reason. Paul Newman is alternately funny (his character is a penny-pinching worrier who’s always writing letters of complaint against those he feel are robbing him) and quite moving as his friend struggles with his illness, and Albert Salmi steals every scene with his beautifully etched portrayal of a simpleton who still clings to his dignity. Much like Griffith in No Time for Sergeants, Newman’s Henry narrates the story as it’s happening, and Daniel Petrie’s fluid direction guiding Newman though many set changes is masterful.
 
The most honored of the titles in the set comes next, Rod Serling’s Requiem for a Heavyweight which won five Emmys including Program of the Year, Best Actor, Best Teleplay, and Best Director. It’s the heartbreaking story of Mountain McClintock (Jack Palance) who, after taking a fierce beating in the ring by an up and coming challenger, is told his boxing career is over. Having only a ninth grade education and having done nothing but fight for fourteen years (he’s 33 and looks 50), he’s unsure what to do with the rest of his life. His manager Maish (Keenan Wynn), heavily in debt for making foolish wagers on Mountain’s probable losses, wants him to go into wrestling. Trainer Army (Ed Wynn) knows Mountain’s pride will never allow that. A pretty, helpful worker at the unemployment office (Kim Hunter) suggests working with youths in camps and in boys’ homes, but his guilt over thinking he owes Maish for his years of support keeps Mountain undecided. Palance gives such an anguished, tender performance that memories of his evil Oscar-nominated roles in Sudden Fear and Shane seem to have come from someone else entirely (clearly the sign of a great, versatile actor). Ed Wynn, in his first-ever dramatic performance after decades of playing a clown, received an Emmy nomination for his startling change of pace role. His son Keenan equally deserved a bid for his insensitive blowhard manager who’d sell his mother to the devil for a few bucks. The play has lost none of its power over the succeeding decades, and few can forget Mountain’s final encounter with Maish or his teaching a young boy some fundamentals of boxing in the play’s final moments.
 
Mickey Rooney’s galvanizing performance as a megalomaniacal television comic electrifies Rod Serling’s adaptation of Ernest Lehman’s The Comedian. Rooney’s Sammy Hogarth runs roughshod over his soft-spoken brother (Mel Tormé) and his exasperated wife (Kim Hunter), his head comedy writer (Edmond O’Brien), his director (King Donovan), and even a vindictive gossip columnist (Whit Bissell), all while trying to pull off a ninety-minute comedy spectacular that’s lacking two dynamite sketches that could put it over the top. John Frankenheimer’s hyperactive direction keeps the play going at a jumpy pace, all the better to keep up with Rooney’s nonstop performance. Edmond O’Brien pretty much walks away with supporting honors in several terrifically dramatized scenes as he grapples with his conscience over some plagiarized comedy sketches penned by a dead writer. The telecast won three Emmys including Program of the Year and yet another Emmy for Serling’s masterful script. Sadly, none of the talented cast nor the charismatic director took home any honors for their sterling work in this wonderfully tense, acerbic look at a genuine heel.
 
The set concludes with one of the most powerful of the dramas in the collection: J.P. Miller’s Days of Wine and Roses. Telling the story of an alcoholic husband and wife whose love of drink proves toxic for them both, Days of Wine and Roses pulled no punches in making the two protagonists fall down drunks, at one point committed to Bellevue to dry out and get their lives back on sound footing. Cliff Robertson and Piper Laurie played the leading roles in the television adaptation, beautifully directed by John Frankenheimer, the show being the first to incorporate some pre-taped footage (Robertson addressing an AA meeting), not thought particularly relevant at the time but definitely a precursor to the end of live drama on CBS and the other networks. Piper Laurie and J.P. Miller were Emmy-nominated but lost in their individual categories to one of the year’s big winners, Little Moon of Alban.
 
 
Video Quality
2.5/5
 
All of the programs are presented in their televised aspect ratios of 1.33:1. Criterion has performed no miracles of presentation with these ancient kinescopes, and the earliest of them - Marty - looks terrible from any perspective (heavy scratches, loads of dirt and debris, contrast that varies from shot to shot), and The Comedian features big chunks of debris which fly through the projector gate as the show was being filmed. Some are relatively scratch free (A Wind from the South, No Time for Sergeants), but every program has that flat, soft look that kinescopes of the period almost always contain. The programs vary in their chapter designations, but Criterion has thoughtfully provided a chapter menu with each program. Generally, the hour programs have 7 chapters and the ninety-minute broadcasts come in with 9 (except The Comedian which has 13 chapters), but even that isn’t consistent.
 
 
Audio Quality
2.5/5
 
The Dolby Digital 1.0 mono sound is as primitive as one might expect from these ancient broadcasts. Once again, Marty is in the worst shape, but almost all of the programs have light to moderate hiss and Patterns and Days of Wine and Roses have some faint crackling while No Time for Sergeants has some audio distortion. Requiem for a Heavyweight features no audible artifacts and has the best of the set’s audio encodes.
 
 
Special Features
4/5
 
Each of the eight programs features an introduction recorded in 1981-1982 when these kinescopes were first broadcast on KCET and other PBS stations as part of Sonny Fox’s “The Golden Age of Television” series. Each of them features interviews with the show’s director and key surviving members of the cast, and the hosts for each broadcast change with each introduction:
 
Marty – 5 ¾ minutes with host Eva Marie Saint
 
Patterns – 6 ½ minutes with host Keenan Wynn
 
No Time for Sergeants – 6 minutes with host Roddy McDowall
 
A Wind from the South – 5 minutes with host Merv Griffin
 
Bang the Drum Slowly – 7 minutes with host Cliff Robertson
 
Requiem for a Heavyweight – 16 minutes with host Jack Klugman
 
The Comedian – 17 ¼ minutes with host Carl Reiner
 
Days of Wine and Roses – 10 minutes with host Julie Harris
 
The following programs contain audio commentaries  by their respective directors: Marty, Bang the Drum Slowly, Requiem for a Heavyweight, and The Comedian. Several of the directors don’t talk through the entire program, and Ralph Nelson’s comments during Requiem barely touch of that program specifically, the majority of his talk concerning his early career in television.
 
Two separate interviews with John Frankenheimer run 9 minutes (The Comedian) and 10 minutes (Days of Wine and Roses), each one having been excerpted in the introductions for the specific programs.
 
The enclosed thirty-five page booklet contains an incisive essay on the nature and history of live television broadcasts plus individual essays on each of the eight programs in this package, all written by film curator Ron Simon.
 
 
In Conclusion
4/5 (not an average)
 
For lovers of classic television live drama, these eight productions are among the greatest ever produced during the early years of the medium. No, the presentations aren’t spotless, but to have these programs in one set with their 1981 introductions alongside them and intact along with some interesting commentaries and a helpful booklet of essays on each show makes a collection that’s a must-have for admirers of the genre. Highly recommended!
 
 
 
Matt Hough
Charlotte, NC

Gear mentioned in this thread:

The Golden Age of Television (The Criterion Collection)
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This is an exciting collection, Matt.

Thanks for the review.  This is a set any student of the history of television should consider "must see TV!" 
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As a longtime devotee of Rod Serling, it's safe to say THIS WILL BE MINE.  I only wish The Velvet Alley was included....


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Another Rod Serling fan here, and I've always wanted to see the original broadcasts of Requiem and Patterns, so I'll be buying this next week.

Also, Marty and No Time For Sergeants look interesting as well.
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I would hope that Criterion could tap into other "Playhouse 90" productions (e.g., THE OLD MAN, ALAS, BABYLON, CHARLEY'S AUNT, TOPAZE, THE LAST TYCOON, THE VELVET ALLEY, THREE MEN ON A HORSE).  Speaking of TOPAZE, wasn't Koch working on an Ernie Kovacs dvd?
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It's too bad that the quality isn't better, given what can be done with modern technology to restore old kinescopes.
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As far as kinescopes go, I thought the second Mr. Peeper's set looked quite nice, and speaking of Mr. Peepers, has anyone heard any rumors of a third set being released.  I really hoped to be able to see the wedding episode.

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It's too bad that the quality isn't better, given what can be done with modern technology to restore old kinescopes.

Seems like they are using transfers done almost 30 years ago! They really should have gone back and done fresh transfers!
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It's really a shame that with the use of LiveFeed these shows could be cleaned up and made to look like beautiful black and white 2-inch tape transfers. Yet companies just won't spring for the cost and would rather put out these shows from old beat up kinescopes. Makes no sense. We finally have to ability to restore the material and they don't use it.
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It's really a shame that with the use of LiveFeed these shows could be cleaned up and made to look like beautiful black and white 2-inch tape transfers. Yet companies just won't spring for the cost and would rather put out these shows from old beat up kinescopes. Makes no sense. We finally have to ability to restore the material and they don't use it.

Amen.  I realize that I'm more than a little prejudiced in this matter, but even if I hadn't been the one to invent LiveFeed, I'd expect that a company like Criterion would use it, since (as a "premium" DVD label) that's simply what's expected.  The tools **are** there, and there's really no excuse for not utilizing them.

And I will say, I have not yet seen this disc, but if Criterion is in fact simply porting over the same 30-year old transfers that were used for the original broadcasts and laserdisc versions, shame on them.  That shows an almost unbelievable amount of disrespect for their audience, and thoroughly flies in the face of what the company is supposed to be about.

Would they release a disc of "Citizen Kane" sourced from a 16mm public library print, just because that's the element that happens to be the easiest to find? I think not.

And by the way, Neil, having seen those laserdisc transfers, I don't know if I'm **quite** as optimistic as you are about my restoration abilities, but I certainly appreciate the vote of confidence.     Here's a small sample of the "Requiem" LD that was used as a LiveFeed test a couple of years ago.  YouTube's encoding is pretty rough on my work, but you may get some idea of what could be done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQzZKQKyC74

-Kevin
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And by the way, Neil, having seen those laserdisc transfers, I don't know if I'm **quite** as optimistic as you are about my restoration abilities, but I certainly appreciate the vote of confidence.     Here's a small sample of the "Requiem" LD that was used as a LiveFeed test a couple of years ago.  YouTube's encoding is pretty rough on my work, but you may get some idea of what could be done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQzZKQKyC74

-Kevin
 
 
     It looks pretty damn good to me. I have those shows taped from their original PBS broadcasts in the early 80s and the kines were in pretty rough shape. I have no idea what the costs are to restore a 90 minute show but the problem with any of this stuff is that black and white kinescoped shows are seen as having an extremely limited market and thus a very small profit potential. Anything that would significantly cut into that I guess they are going to shy away from. They probably feel that the small number of people who would buy the product because it looked better wouldn't cover the extra costs. And unfortunately movies are considered important while great television isn't. But I think what you and Paul have with this is a great thing. Too bad that not enough companies are smart enough to take advantage of it.

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It's odd to realize that any random Doctor Who episode from the '60s is going to look infinitely better than these television landmarks. 

But I guess that's the difference -- cult sci-fi is marketable in a way that live drama is not. 
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As far as kinescopes go, I thought the second Mr. Peeper's set looked quite nice, and speaking of Mr. Peepers, has anyone heard any rumors of a third set being released.  I really hoped to be able to see the wedding episode.



I had some correspondence with S'More Ent. several months ago and they assured me that in the "spirit of completion" they would get out Season 3 even though Season 2 did not sell very well (after Season 1 did very well as far as they were concerned).  At the time I was told to look for something in 2010, but nothing firmer was mentioned.  Since this show was cleaned up with help from UCLA I'm thinking S'More wouldn't have to do much work at all.  So I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Season 3 as well.  It has two Christmas-themed episodes that I'm dying to see (for the first time ever).

Gary "I agree with Neil and Kevin that it's a crying shame this Golden Age of Television set wasn't given better treatment" O.

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Thanks so much for that information Gary.  That really gives me hope that it will get released.  It was a very gentle humorous show that I completely loved, and now I will look forward to a 2010 release.  I would also greatly love to see those Christmas themed episodes.

Doug
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Has anyone (aside from Matt) actually seen the quality of the shows in this set?  It seems like people are decrying the look of these discs without actually having seen them.
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Has anyone (aside from Matt) actually seen the quality of the shows in this set?  It seems like people are decrying the look of these discs without actually having seen them.

As I pointed out, I haven't seen it yet (since the street date is Tuesday, the 24th), but the fact that there was no effort made to upgrade the presentation of the material back to its original "live broadcast" look is, in and of itself, a very valid criticism.  These actually **were** live broadcasts, not jittery old movies... why Criterion thought anyone would prefer watching them that way is beyond me.

-Kevin

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Thanks so much for that information Gary.  That really gives me hope that it will get released.  It was a very gentle humorous show that I completely loved, and now I will look forward to a 2010 release.  I would also greatly love to see those Christmas themed episodes.


Doug, I hate to turn around after I just posted that news (which was actually months old for me personally) but...  I just got another email from S'More Entertainment this afternoon.  This email from them was in response to me following up on the first email from back in the summer, asking again about this potential Season 3 set they had told me was coming.  Here's the response I just got in my inbox:


Due to market conditions and the difficulty in selling sufficient quantities of older TV shows to even cover costs, it's not likely we'll release any additional Mister Peepers. Really sorry but it'd be a money losing proposition.


I know, I know.  What a bummer.  Especially after me just coming into the thread and sharing that reply from them earlier in the year.  Sorry.


Gary "guess we aren't gonna get to see those Christmas-themed episodes any time soon" O.
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This also applies to the Best of The Shari Lewis Show DVD set that Smore had ready to release as well. On a related note, Infinity had transferred and prepped a complete set of the show Code 3 but killed it off when Man With A Camera did poorly.
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This also applies to the Best of The Shari Lewis Show DVD set that Smore had ready to release as well. On a related note, Infinity had transferred and prepped a complete set of the show Code 3 but killed it off when Man With A Camera did poorly.


Ah, that's right.  I had forgotten about us getting the advanced word on Code 3 coming.  Too bad about that one.

But hey Neil, you and I shouldn't worry because I'm told by other members here that "classic TV on dvd" isn't really in any danger of dying. 

The reality, as painful and unpopular as it is to accept, is that we are indeed seeing a major slowdown of all classic material from just about every studio.  Even CBS/Paramount has scaled back on some releases that were set for next year.  As it sits right now I'm told both The Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction (two shows that 6 months ago were scheduled for more releases in 2010) are now off the schedule.  On top of that they were originally set to release The Lucy Show S2 next month, then rescheduled it for March, and now have pushed it back to the summer of next year with the added disclaimer that the line will die right there if the sales are not solid.  I also know for a fact that more My Three Sons were coming in early 2010 and now I'm wondering if that one is going to get the axe, although in the case of that show I'm not as bummed if it was going to get more Heyes treatment like the 1st Season sets.  There's just no question in my mind they are slowing down their classic releases.

I'm afraid we've just about come to the end of the line with 50's and 60's releases.  I hate to say that, but every indicator is that things are drying up quickly.  I'm sure 2010 will give us a few surprises from companies like Timeless (as long as their finances hold up) and Shout, but overall the signs all point to the death of these vintage releases on pressed dvds.


Gary "thanks for sharing that info about Sheri Lewis and Code 3 - I'd rather know the truth and continue to stick my head in the sand like the proverbial ostrich" O.

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Speaking of "Man With A Camera", how was that release? Anyone get it? I ended up sticking it on my list as a future purchase primarily because of Bronson.
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That's a bummer about Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction getting canned.  I haven't been collecting those but I know they're popular shows here.

I hate to hear that CBS/P is slowing down as well.  They seem to be the last major studio releasing pre-70's shows.

Keep Mannix coming
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Speaking of "Man With A Camera", how was that release? Anyone get it? I ended up sticking it on my list as a future purchase primarily because of Bronson.
 
     Very good. Most of the stories are quite good and Bronson is Bronson. Plus they did a great job on the prints and even though they are from 16mm, they really looked good.

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Well, I did see that CBS/Paramount is continuing with CANNON's next volume and BARNABY JONES' first season, both in February.
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Well, I did see that CBS/Paramount is continuing with CANNON's next volume and BARNABY JONES' first season, both in February.


Right Matt.  And I'm definitely gonna pick up the BARNABY JONES set just because I always liked Buddy Ebsen and have pretty good memories about liking this show.  I picked up the first season of CANNON, and while I liked it fine I'm not sure if I'll pick up any more seasons.  The bottom line is that both of those shows are from the 70's, which is a decade the studios seem to be a bit more prone to releasing than the 50's and 60's at this point.  But I imagine we'll see a scale back in 70's releases as well as 2010 progresses.

Oh, in checking some dates out I can say that I'll know for sure in the next couple of weeks whether or not CBS/Paramount has either abandoned or postponed two more classics from the 50's/60's era.  One was scheduled for release on the last Tuesday in February and it's yet to show up in current release news (but I guess it still might) and another is scheduled for early March.  Then there the '75 Mel Brooks series, WHEN THINGS WERE ROTTEN.  That was originally scheduled for January of next year so obviously it's either been postponed or abandoned.  


Gary "things are definitely not looking that great for older, especially b/w series, right now" O.

Edited by Gary OS - 11/21/09 at 4:15pm
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Makes me wonder if we'll see a decade-by-decade decline of these DVD releases.  First, the 50's-60's sets declining, then 70's in another year?  I hope not but it wouldn't surprise me.

The thing that's always puzzled me is something that Gary and I have talked about and that is "Where's all of the 'Boomers?"  I'd have guessed that there would be more than enough of my age group out there in the DVD-buying group that would have kept these older TV/DVD releases rolling along.  Maybe there's a lot less of them that are interested in the older shows than I'd have guessed.  I know that my brother in law and sister both watch current network shows and don't collect many TV/DVD sets as I do.  That surprised me for some reason since they are older than me.  I don't watch any current TV shows.
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Makes me wonder if we'll see a decade-by-decade decline of these DVD releases.  First, the 50's-60's sets declining, then 70's in another year?  I hope not but it wouldn't surprise me.

The thing that's always puzzled me is something that Gary and I have talked about and that is "Where's all of the 'Boomers?"  I'd have guessed that there would be more than enough of my age group out there in the DVD-buying group that would have kept these older TV/DVD releases rolling along.  Maybe there's a lot less of them that are interested in the older shows than I'd have guessed.  I know that my brother in law and sister both watch current network shows and don't collect many TV/DVD sets as I do.  That surprised me for some reason since they are older than me.  I don't watch any current TV shows.


Jeff, I don't know the answer to your "Boomers" question, except to say that in my personal experience (which of course is anecdotal) a majority of "Boomers" really don't care all the much about collecting older material from their childhood days.  Of course that's a generalization and I know that good and well.  But like Jeff, I see a lot of people my age and older that actually end up watching modern TV more than older stuff.  It makes me kinda sad but I've even seen people in their 60's and 70's who often seem more content with modern fare.  I know we have "Boomers" and "Busters" and many young people on this forum who do appreciate the older material and collect these series on dvd, but I think we are the exception and not the rule for people in our age bracket.

I also need to say that my comment about possibly seeing a slowdown in 70's releases is just conjecture on my part.  I know for a fact that the 50's and 60's material has slowed down.  That's just not disputable on any level.  All the data bears it out.  But since I'm not as apt to follow the trends with 70's material I don't honestly know if there's been a slowdown or if one is on the horizon for that time period.  But it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

At this point I'm just hoping we can somehow, by hook or by crook, see the completion of a few series like FATHER KNOWS BEST before the wheels completely fall off.  I'd like to believe a great seller like PERRY MASON for CBS/P will see completion, but I honestly wonder if that will happen as fast as this medium is dying.  I'm not sure we've got another 4 or 5 years left before the studios have turned to another format (other than sddvd), whether that be blu-ray (which I highly, highly doubt will carry many older series from the 50's and 60's) or the WB Archive type of dvd-r's.  Then again, the studios might move away from physical media altogether and opt for some type of downloading/streaming.  If I had to bet that would be my guess.


Gary "hope I'm completely wrong and we see a resurgence of older material released on dvd - but I'm not holding my breath" O.

Edited by Gary OS - 11/21/09 at 6:14pm
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Well, after reading these posts I'm really saddened that a lot of the classic stuff I've been collecting is obviously not selling well enough to continue.  I think you are all correct that the boomers are just not buying the older shows on DVD.  I really think that we are very much in the minority.  I'm 48 years old, and I have always loved the old stuff, but any other boomers that I know, think I am crazy to have any interest in these old shows.  It is frustrating; I don't think things are going to improve for the classic TV show fanatics until there is a reliable, and easy way to download or stream these shows to the computer.  I also have to say that would not be my preference, but if that is all I can get, I will have to move in that direction.

I have started to direct some of my interests over to Old Time Radio to assuage the lack of classic TV releases.  I have to say that I am really beginning to be won over by the abundance of great, mostly complete, and extremely inexpensive shows out there.  I just downloaded 488 Gunsmoke episodes for free from archive.org.  If these shows continue to dry up, I may move to OTR completely.
post #28 of 44
Doug,

We have a lot in common. For one, I'm also 48. Secondly, I've also gotten into old time radio. Having gotten tired of morning radio from music to sports talk radio I've ventured into the old radio broadcasts. I bounced around a few things but my favorite to date is Gunsmoke. I've also downloaded 10 years worth from the on-line archives. Having a 45 minute commute it has been great listening to the episodes. I think I have gone through about 150 episodes so far. Next I thing I'm going to try Johnny Dollar. There are loads of it available as well and it is suppose to be pretty good. One interesting aspect is listening to the old commercials. From L&M and Chesterfelds commercials to the needs for workers knowing how to work milking machines for the war effort (that was actually from a Tarzan serial).

As far as classic TV goes. I think there are a few things that need to fall in place properly for it to be a hit with some. I can see boomers passing by them in the store and saying "look at that I haven't seen that in years" but not actually trying it out. The criteria I see is as follows:
- you had to be a TV kid growing up (FKB, I Love Lucy, My Three Sons, LITB, etc).
- you need a nudge to get that first favorite and not be embarrased (for me it was moving from current day movies, to classic movies, to current day TV on DVD, until classic TV was left).
- finding a forum like this where you find others with the same interest (if not for this forum I would have stopped at a few but I kept learning about others I needed to try).

I think there are many boomers that could get into it, but they would have to get over a few humps first blocking their way. I have to say when I mention what I enjoy watching I get some odd stares at times.
post #29 of 44
Doug,

As an add-on. What do you think about the comparison between radio Gunsmoke and the TV show? I never watched the show prior to seeing the first season in the last year or so. But I have to say, I think William Conrad makes a better Matt Dillon. Kitty and Chester play about the same to me across the two. And while I liked Doc in the TV show, I like him better in the radio program. I think "Floyd the Barber from the Andy Griffith Show" brings in much more personality. So while I like both I'm leaning towards the radio show as being the better of the two. The only bad part is that they share many of the same scripts. At least that can be bad if you watch/listen to both.
post #30 of 44
You guys have some good theories about the absence of the 'Boomers at the stores for older shows on DVD.  I'll try a couple that I've thought about for awhile:

- TV media is still approached by most viewers as "I'm home, turn on the TV and see what's on" mode.  Whatever's on network or the major cable/satt outlets, they'll watch, in addition to the premium movie channels.

- The TV/DVD market has always seemed to me to be more of a nitch "collectors" market due to the fact that it's not movie DVD's, it's TV.  So the mindset among many out there is "Why would we pay for some show that's been on free TV?"  Of course, on this Bd, we see it a lot different.  There's nothing like owning our own TV channel, right?   Watching these shows that (most) aren't available anywhere else, commercial-free, gives us a "we're at the movies" feeling.  At least, to me, it's that way.

- DVD buyers, from what I've seen over the years since the format came onto the mkt, has mainly been movie/film buyers and not TV/DVD sets, with the exception of collectors on forums like us.  DVD movies were the first on the scene so the TV/DVD segment of the mkt has had to try and play "catch-up" in addition to dealing with the logjams of legal or music clearances that most recent movies haven't had to deal with since the films have been geared to the home video mkt for longer than the TV/DVD segment of the mkt.

I've seen the same reaction to my hobby when I've mentioned to some guys I worked with recently, the TV/DVD sets that I have bought over the past several years.  The typical reaction is "Why buy something that's old or that you've seen already?"  They'll usually mention something that's currently being shown on network TV or something like one of the HBO or Showtime series shows.  My reply is usually "For the most part, I'm not interested in content that's generally shown on TV during the past 5-10 yrs".  Another point that I make is that most of  these recent shows have already seen DVD releases so I can check some of them out anytime.  A lot of what we would buy here on this Bd isn't available or has been abandoned by the studios.  Big difference, imo.

I readily admit that I'm a real "caveman" like that Geico commercial guy when it comes to exposure to any TV series over the last 10-12 yrs.  I mean, I've never seen any episodes of many hits, "24", "Lost", "CSI Miami". "Charmed", "House", etc.  Geeze, I haven't even seen any of that megahit show "Alias" a few years ago.  But the difference is that most or all of those shows have been released on DVD so if I get an intereest in checking recent shows out, I can get them on DVD.  That's a big difference in waiting for "Batman", "Green Hornet", etc, that are tied up in courts or something like "Sea Hunt", "12 O'Clock High", etc, that probably won't see any releases.

That said, I know there have been some gems out there over recent years but like all of us, there's only so much time to go around.  As for giving up my DirecTV sports.....it ain't gonna happen  
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