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Need help choosing a 5.1 system.

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

I am a first-time HT buyer, and am looking for some advice on what to get. My expectations are low, as I've been subject to TV-stereo quality sound my entire life, so I am basically looking for a 5.1 surround sound set-up that will enhance my viewing experience of sports, movies, and video games. I am looking for some advice and push in the right direction. As I've already prefaced, I know NOTHING about home theater systems.

I have nothing as of now - no sub, no receiver. I wouldn't mind buying a HTIB, though from the research I have done, I'd be better off buying speaker system, sub, and receiver as separates. No idea where to start there. This is what I'm looking for:

(1) Speakers: Two front standing speakers, two rear mountable speakers, and a center speaker.
(2) Sub: Doesn't have to be off the charts, but deep enough for me to enjoy my action movies and video games.
(3) Receiver: Needs to have at least one HDMI input, an HDMI output, and a component input for my 360. Would also prefer for optical input so I don't have to use the standard red-white audio cables from my 360. Does not need to have a DVD or BluRay player, and would be preferable if it was iPod compatible.

My room setup is interesting - the front, rear, and right-side walls are all enclosed, but the left side juts out into a pretty open space - kitchen is blocked off by a 4 ft. bar countertop, and it angles off into an open hallway. Not sure if that will play into my decision here since I am going for full surround sound rather than a soundbar, but thought it may be necessary information.

All-in-all, I'd like to keep it around $1,000. Thanks all for your suggestions.
post #2 of 13
1.  You want towers, a center and small bookshelf speakers for surrounds.
2.  Your statements are very subjective.  I don't have any idea what you enjoy.  Only recently did my subs become satisfactory to me.
3.  All A/V receivers will have digital connections (both optical and coaxial).  What is iPod compatible?  Wouldn't a docking station with line outputs be enough?  Or do you want the receiver remote to control the iPod?  Are you aware that playing overly compressed music on a quality system will sometimes give less than spectacular results.  Your good speakers will highlight the compression artifacts and lack of fidelity and sound like crap.  Just a warning.

$1,000 is going to be tough.  $1,000 or so for the speakers would work much better.  How flexible is your budget?
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Robert_J,

Thanks for the response. I apologize for my lack of clarity - I know very little about sound systems, and what I enjoy is hard to say because I've listened to TV sterero my entire life. What I'm looking for out of my sub is a sub that actually ADDS to a movie like Die Hard or Mission Impossible, and ADDS to a game like Gears of War or Call of Duty.

As for the iPod, you are correct - I just need the line outputs, so I imagine all receivers will be satisfactory. If the music sounded like crap, I guess I could just continue to use it on my iHome.

For fronts, I also would not be opposed to bookshelf speakers and just toss them on stands.

Now... Here is what I'm thinking:

As of right now, I have about $1,000 to burn on a system. Could be more, could be less, but about $1k. What are the thoughts on beginning to build a system, and complete it later on down the line (a few months)? I don't want to purchase a system that I need to replace in two years - I want a system that sounds great and lasts me a good while. What about investing in a quality receiver, fronts, and possibly a sub/center (whichever makes more sense to have at first), and building up as time goes on? Any thoughts/suggestions on that?

Again, thanks for the help. Apologies for the long posts, but concision has never been a strength.
post #4 of 13

Go to www.edesignaudio.com and click on their home audio section on the left.  Then look at the different home theater speakers.  Decide what looks good to you.  Then check out their subs.  Finally, click the Package Builder link on the left.  It allows you to build a complete speaker package and save about 15%.  Their prices include shipping and no tax unless you live in Iowa.  Are they the best speakers on the market?  Not even close.  Are they better then most speakers at Best Buy and other big box stores- Yes.  Plus the service is great.  Others will have different suggestions. You just need to look at speaker size and your budget to see what fits for you.

The best thing about their package builder is the ability to go with other configurations besides 5.1.  You can go with a 3.1 system and later add your surrounds.  Quality speakers can last for years, decades and sometimes a lifetime.  Spend the bulk of your money there.  Check out last years receivers.  You can save a bundle with 1 year old technology.  Even check out the used equipment here.  You could save 50% or more off of a new receiver.

Are you any good with woodworking?  I have a great set of plans for speakers that cost about $80 each plus wood and paint.  DIY isn't for everyone but if you have the tools, time and a little knowledge it can be fun, rewarding and a huge cost saver.

post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks again Robert. I will take a look through and try to get a bit more comfortable with the HT "lingo" so I can make an educated decision.

What are your (and others') thoughts on Axiom, SVS, and Paradigm speakers? I really like the price on Axiom's M3s (www.axiomaudio.com/m3.html), and also like the price and look of SVS' SCS-01(M) package (front three for $489 - www.svsound.com/products-spks-scs01.cfm). Any other suggestions for speakers, and anything on those packages?

Also, what's more important to a system - sub or center speaker? Or is it a matter of preference?
post #6 of 13

If you really want to keep the whole thing around $1000 then you may have to go to bookshelves instead of towers. There are some in-expensive towers, like Bic/TheNerds.com those but I have no idea how good they are. Those who have them seem to like them but we tend to like what we have, don't we?

The thought of starting out with a good stereo system first and adding to it as you go along is always a good one.

Just about any new receiver will satisfy your requirements.

As for which is more important, the sub or the center, I might get thrown off the board for saying this but I think the center is more important. A good sub can really add to the enjoyment of most movies but in the long run a good center (and matching fronts) can make vocals sound so much more natural. And that's what you hear the most, vocals.

But with your budget I'd really consider bookshelves instead of towers and spend the savings on a better center..'er, I mean subwoofer . Maybe I can re-register under a different name  .

post #7 of 13
Well, the nice thing about Axiom is that they will ship the speakers to you and give you thirty days to audition them in your own home. They pay shipping out. The downside is that if you don't like them and ship them back then the shipping cost is on you. I have to admit I've been tempted to try their M60/E350 home theatre package; although the E500 sounds more flexible when it comes to tuning.

Edited to add:

I'd try to avoid bookshelf speakers for mains. Bookshelf speakers always sound weak to me. To me, you always have to have a sub to supplement them and getting a good match isn't easy. You stated that you are new to the HT hobby, so I would keep it simple for the time being and go with floor standing mains and no sub. To me, subs mean tweaking. I would avoid that until I was sure that I really wanted to get deeper into the hobby. With the interests you listed, I would concentrate on mains and a centre speaker. Those are the three most important speakers. Out of those three speakers, the mains would be where most of my money would go if I was on a limited budget. With proper set up stereo speakers can be made to create a "phantom centre" and most receivers have a setting that also allows a person to create a phantom centre if a person doesn't have an actual centre speaker.

The main reason for buying all three at the same time is to ensure timbre matching, but if cash is limited then the mains are where I would put most of it. Axiom, for example, has a factory outlet store that sells speakers, with small cosmetic blemishes. at a discount. If you are not concerned with cosmetic perfection and are not in a hurry you could pick up a set of m50v2 floor standing speakers for about 700 U.S. Those speakers are supposed to have basically the same sonic characteristics as the m3s you were looking at, but I would bet that the bass response on the m50s would be far better than the bookshelf speakers.

On the other hand, you could take advantage of their 30-day home trial if you wanted to try the m3s out. If you didn't like them the estimated shipping cost back is about 30 bucks U.S for the two speakers, according to their website.
Edited by Edwin-S - 11/16/09 at 9:59pm
post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 

Phew - those Axiom packages are pricy!

I've been looking around, and this is what I think I may do: buy a pair of bookshelf speakers and a center to start, and eventually purchase a pair of floorstanding speakers to place in front and put the bookshelf speakers in back as my surround speakers.

 

As far as what I'm looking for, I think I like what I've read about Axiom and SVS. These are the two packages I'm considering:

 

Axiom: M50 v2 floorstanding in front ($780), VP150 v2 Center ($408), and M3 v2 bookshelf speakers for the rear ($330). This totals $1,508 for the speakers, excluding sub.

SVS: STS-01 Slim Towers in front ($749), SCS-01(M) Center and SCS-01(M) bookshelf speakers for rear (combined $489) for a total of $1,238.

 

Thoughts on either system? For the time being, I'll be going with an older sub, though I'll probably eventually get a sub to match the set. I'll likely get a Yamaha or Okyana receiver.

post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Also, gene: Not really concerned about keeping the whole thing under $1k. Would like this batch (receiver, bookshelf speakers, center speaker) to stay around $1k. I think in a few months I'll end up splurging on some serious floorstanding speakers for the front.
post #10 of 13


Quote:
Originally Posted by rmande09 View Post

Phew - those Axiom packages are pricy!

 



Considering that I spent over 3000 dollars for two speakers and a sub almost 15 years ago, I thought 2200-2300 Canadian for an entire package was actually a good value. Goes to show what I know.  
post #11 of 13
You could get that same set up for 1367 U.S from their factory outler If you are not concerned with absolute cosmetic perfection. There would also be a bit of a wait. I read some comments from guys who ordered through their outlet store. They were concerned the speakers would look like hell, but the guys were commenting that they had to really look for the blemishes. Take that for what it is worth though.
post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the info, guys. Total price is not a huge concern for me - I just won't be buying all at once.

I have actually narrowed down my search to a few sets of speakers - seven to be exact. Prices vary, and I am sure the quality varies. My intent is to buy a portion when I am ready, and then finish the set of speakers within a month or two (there will not be a lengthy period between purchases). My goal is to have a 5.0 system when finished (I actually have an older sub that I will use for the time being). Based on looking at prices, the best way to purchase the five speakers in two equal purchases is to buy the bookshelf speakers and center, followed by the towers (or towers then bookshelf speakers and center).

I will post a list of packages I am considering and would love any and all feedback. Once I get down to a list of two or three packages, I will have to consider the finer points of each package (i.e. watts, ohms, all that stuff I have no idea about) and make sure I am purchasing a set that will work together and work with the receiver I am using.

Thanks all.
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
CompanyBookshelfPriceCenterPriceTowersPriceTotal
AperionIntimus 4B$260Intimus 4C Center$160Intimus 4T Towers$650$1,070
AperionIntimus 5B450Intimus 5C Center350Intimus 5T Towers9901,790
AxiomM3 v2330VP150 v2408M60 v29901,728
Elemental DesignA6-6T6-MTM Pair365A6-6T6 Center400A6-6T6 Towers5001,265
Polk AudioRTi A1350CSi A4280RTi A59001,530
Polk AudioTSi 200 300CS20350TSi 500 8001,450
SVSoundSCS-01(M) Pair0SCS-01 Center489STS-01 Towers7491,238


These are the systems I'm currently looking at. Any thoughts on the best bang for the buck? On the Axiom package, I'm a bit torn between the M50s and M60s. Also have to take into consideration stands for the bookshelf speakers - they're pretty expensive ($206/pair) for Axiom's, and the others are reasonably priced.
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