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70 mm on Bluray?

post #1 of 34
11/7/09 at 5:55am
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I was wondering if anyone ever compiled a list of 70 mm films (in all it's variation including VistaVision) released on Bluray.

I have a couple disc scanned at high resolution (4K and 8K) and the films almost always look stunning. I'm thinking film specifically filmed on a larger negative than 35 mm.

From the top of my head:

The Searchers (1956 )
North By NorthWest (1959 )
How The West Was Won (1962)
Battle of the Bulge (1965 )
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Patton (1970)
Baraka (1992)

Am I missing some?


Can't wait for:
Ben-Hur (1959)
Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
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Gear mentioned in this thread:

Battle of the Bulge [Blu-ray]
Patton [Blu-ray]
2001 - A Space Odyssey [Blu-ray]
post #2 of 34
11/7/09 at 6:10am
Doh!  You bring up Patton in the midst of your discussion starter about larger format films that (would?) look stunning on BD.  That's gonna bring out some skeletons in the closet or something.   Of course, there seems to have been some occasional complaints about Baraka's PQ on BD too (to far less extent than Patton of course)...

_Man_
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post #3 of 34
11/7/09 at 9:11am
I think BARAKA looks stunning.  There is some slight ringing visible in very high-contrast areas, but the accusations of DNR that have been posted elsewhere are simply absurd IMO.

Vincent
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post #4 of 34
11/7/09 at 11:13am
Here's a short list of what I can find so far in various high-res processes...

VistaVision:
The Searchers
North by Northwest
In the Realm of the Senses

Todd-AO (65mm):
South Pacific
Patton
Baraka

Super Panavision (65mm):
Grand Prix (HD-DVD only)
2001: A Space Odyssey

Technirama (8-perf anamorphic horizontal 35mm):
Sleeping Beauty
The Pink Panther
Spartacus (HD-DVD only)
The Music Man (Feb. 2nd)
Zulu (Region B)
The Leopard (Region B)
El Cid (Region B)

Ultra Panavision/MGM Camera-65 (anamorphic 65mm):
Battle of the Bulge
Mutiny on the Bounty (HD-DVD only)
The Fall of the Roman Empire (Region B)

Cinerama (3-panel 35mm):
How the West Was Won

Misc. Processes:
Playtime (65mm masked in-camera to 1.85:1)

There's also a lot of IMAX out there.
Edited by Patrick McCart - 11/7/09 at 11:27am
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post #5 of 34
11/7/09 at 5:29pm
I don't think that they used the 70mm elements for the Blue-ray transfers of EL CID and THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE. 
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post #6 of 34
11/7/09 at 10:15pm
you guys forgot hamlet directed by kenneth branagh which was also a 70mm film.
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post #7 of 34
11/8/09 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by ahollis View Post

I don't think that they used the 70mm elements for the Blue-ray transfers of EL CID and THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE. 

Most likely not, but my list just points out films originating from various formats - regardless of what was utilized for the transfer.

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Originally Posted by EnricoE View Post

you guys forgot hamlet directed by kenneth branagh which was also a 70mm film.

It's not on BluRay yet, unfortunately. The recent Region B release is of the 1948 Oliver adaptation.
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post #8 of 34
11/8/09 at 12:18pm
They aren't on BD yet, but I remember when we went to the theater to see them, The Star Wars original three movies were advertised as being 70mm and 6 channel Dolby. Then, when the originals were released on dvd in stereo, I said, "ain't no way they were stereo. They were 6 channel Dolby!" That was a big deal at the time. I remember it well..........

Anyway, by the time they make it to BD, and the way that Lucas likes to play around with them, there's no telling what they'll be. They're liable to be 8mm with a mono soundtrack!
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post #9 of 34
11/8/09 at 12:52pm
NM.

Vern
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post #10 of 34
11/8/09 at 1:19pm
The STAR WARS films were blow-ups.  They were filmed in 35mm, not 65mm.

Vincent

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Originally Posted by Ed Moxley View Post

They aren't on BD yet, but I remember when we went to the theater to see them, The Star Wars original three movies were advertised as being 70mm and 6 channel Dolby.

 
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post #11 of 34
11/8/09 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by Ed Moxley View Post

They aren't on BD yet, but I remember when we went to the theater to see them, The Star Wars original three movies were advertised as being 70mm and 6 channel Dolby. Then, when the originals were released on dvd in stereo, I said, "ain't no way they were stereo. They were 6 channel Dolby!" That was a big deal at the time. I remember it well..........

Anyway, by the time they make it to BD, and the way that Lucas likes to play around with them, there's no telling what they'll be. They're liable to be 8mm with a mono soundtrack!

70mm blow-ups don't count here. And since Star Wars had many different audio mixes, there's almost no telling in which one is the 'original', the stereo track is just as good. It was actually the least of that dvd's problems. The image looked far worse.
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post #12 of 34
11/9/09 at 1:18pm
Raintree County has been undergoing restoration for several years now and hopefully could be out next year.While it was never released in 70mm, it was certainly shot in 65 anamorphic.
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post #13 of 34
11/9/09 at 4:28pm
Great news about Raintree!

What about The Big Country directed by William Wyler?
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post #14 of 34
11/9/09 at 5:11pm
Count me in for Lawrence of Arabia, Spartacus and Ben Hur. I saw a restored version of Lawrence in 70mm many years ago. The picture quality was simply stunning!
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post #15 of 34
11/10/09 at 2:52am
I know we are all anxious to see a lot of these films on Blu-ray, but I really hope that the studios spend the time to do the transfers properly for HD.

Let's not forget some of the terrible transfers in the first few years of DVD releases. For many of those films they had to re-release them a few years later to do the job properly. In some cases it took 3 releases before the film was properly rendered on DVD. In some respects they had reasonable excuses early on because the tools for making good transfers didn't exist, but now they have no excuse.

I hope that the studios don't do the same thing with Blu-ray, but instead just do the job properly the first time.
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post #16 of 34
11/10/09 at 4:59am
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Originally Posted by john a hunter View Post

Raintree County has been undergoing restoration for several years now and hopefully could be out next year.While it was never released in 70mm, it was certainly shot in 65 anamorphic.
Even though it was only released in 35mm, I hope Raintree County will show the full 2.76:1 MGM Camera 65 70mm frame.
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post #17 of 34
11/10/09 at 1:14pm

Have never seen the animated " Camera 65 Window on the World" opening which should be fun. I expect it will be the  full AR as was" Mutiny though of course that was shown in 70/anamorphic.

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post #18 of 34
11/13/09 at 4:02am
Thread Starter 
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Technirama (8-perf anamorphic horizontal 35mm):
Sleeping Beauty
The Pink Panther
Spartacus (HD-DVD only)
The Music Man (Feb. 2nd)
Zulu (Region B)
The Leopard (Region B)
El Cid (Region B)

Thank you Patrick.

Since Technirama was filmed on 35 mm they probably don't count in this instance (which is films transfered from a 70 mm negative)?
Technirama transfers would probably be from a 35mm negative no?

I guess - for the purpose of this list - we should also include The Dark Knight and Transformer ROTF, since at least part of them were shot on Imax = larger negative.

Man-Fai - I'm aware of the controversy that exist about the transfer of Patton. But personal tastes about DNR aside - the film was shot on a large negative format (Todd AO).

Count Me in for Raintree Country (and Lawrence and Ben-Hur) as well.
And I must check out South Pacific.
Shame that Mutiny on the Bounty and Grand Prix hasn't been released on Blu yet.

One thing I would like to see - which has never been released in any format - is the old Cinerama films (This is Cinerama, Cinerama Holiday etc.) Parts of "How The West Was Won" was lifted from the Cinerama films, and I just loved how that looked.
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post #19 of 34
11/13/09 at 11:00am
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Originally Posted by Jesper Hall View Post


Since Technirama was filmed on 35 mm they probably don't count in this instance (which is films transfered from a 70 mm negative)?
Technirama transfers would probably be from a 35mm negative no?
 
Yes to transferred from 35mm negative, but since Technirama, like VistaVision was a "lazy 8" format (exposed twice the negative space of a standard 35mm frame) the resolution was comparable to 5 perf 70mm and definitely benefits from the added resolution of Blu-Ray. See Sleeping Beauty as an example. Also, Technirama films were quite frequently released on 70mm, which would be a minor enlargement compared with a 35mm "blowup". While we're at it, Fox's CinemaScope 55 films would look amazing on BD, as long as they can find appropriate elements for transfer and restoration if necessary.
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post #20 of 34
11/13/09 at 1:17pm
Patton was the second and last feature shot in D150 not ToddAO .Owned by Todd AO but not the same process.
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post #21 of 34
11/13/09 at 3:39pm

Below are the Large Format Films - to date only 5 have been released on Blu-ray - but most of these should look amazing on Blu-ray

SuperPanavision

The Big Fisherman

Exodus

West Side Story

Lawrence of Arabia

Cheyenne Autumn

My Fair Lady

Lord Jim

Grand Prix

Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

2001: A Space Odyssey (Blu-ray)

Ice Station Zebra

Ryan's Daughter

Song of Norway

Tron

Brainstorm

Far And Away

Hamlet

 

 

Ultra Panavision

RaintreeCounty

Ben-Hur

Innocents Abroad

Mutiny on the Bounty

It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

The Fall of the Roman Empire

The Greatest Story Ever Told

The Hallelujah Trail

Battle of the Bulge (Blu-ray)

Khartoum

 

 

Todd-A0

Oklahoma!

Around the World In 80 Days

South Pacific (Blu-Ray)

Porgy and Bess

Can-Can

Scent of Mystery

The Alamo

Cleopatra

The Agony and the Ecstasy

The Sound of Music

Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines

Doctor Dolittle

Star!

Hello Dolly!

Krakatoa - East of Java

Airport

The LastValley

Baraka (Blu-Ray - updated)

 

Dimension 150

The Bible

Patton (Blu-Ray)

 

 

Cinerama

How the West Was Won (Blu-Ray)

The World of Brothers Grimm

Vista Vision, Technirama and Cinemascope where widescreen but not 70MM
Many films shot in 35MM were blown up to 70MM for theaterical release but were never shot in 70MM (Doctor Zhivago, Camelot, Oliver, Star Wars, Annie)


Edited by Greg_M - 11/16/09 at 11:28am
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post #22 of 34
11/13/09 at 11:49pm
What is "Innocents Abroad"?
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post #23 of 34
11/15/09 at 3:32am
Baraka has been released on Blu already . And yes, it does look gorgeous.
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post #24 of 34
11/15/09 at 3:36pm
'Innocents Abroad" was probably mooted for the Ultra Panavison treatment but it never made it and as far has I know, it never made it before cameras of any gauge, 35, 65, 16 or even 8!
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post #25 of 34
11/16/09 at 5:48pm
With Tron Legacy due to hit theaters next year it might be reasonable to assume Disney may be working on a Blu-ray release of the original Tron movie. If that is indeed the case I hope they create a new high definition master of it using the latest film scanning and digital intermediate tools. I just wonder what film elements in the movie's chain of production would be scanned. Tron used a very unusual film production and animation process (which is described on the special edition DVD from a few years ago).
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post #26 of 34
11/16/09 at 8:08pm
Yeah, it would be rather difficult to scan the OCN on TRON, since they blew up, colour backlit and rephotographed each frame of the computer world sequences involving the actors. It would have to be some sort of fine grain element. I believe the DVDs were done from a 35mm reduction element, since 70mm scanning was rare @ the time.
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post #27 of 34
11/16/09 at 9:30pm


Thank God for wikipedia ;).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_70mm_films#American_65.2F70_mm_releases
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post #28 of 34
11/16/09 at 9:40pm
ok, so as it pertains to the thread:

    * South Pacific (1958) – Todd-AO

    * Ben-Hur (1959) – MGM Camera 65 (rumored for fall of 2010)

    * Lawrence of Arabia (1962) – Super Panavision 70 (being worked on, 2010?)

    * Mutiny on the Bounty (1962) – Ultra Panavision 70 (was released on HD DVD, Blu-Ray imminent?)

    * My Fair Lady (1964) – Super Panavision 70 (WB says 2010-2011)

    * The Sound of Music (1965) – Todd-AO (second unit photography [aerial shots] in Superpanorama 70) (WB says 2010-2011)

    * Battle of the Bulge (1965) – Ultra Panavision 70; shown in 70 mm Cinerama

    * Grand Prix (1966) – Super Panavision 70 (some scenes in Superpanorama 70); shown in 70 mm Cinerama (was released on HD DVD, Blu-Ray imminent?)

    * 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) – Super Panavision 70; some shots in Todd-AO; aerial shots from the stargate sequence in Superpanorama 70. Shown in 70 mm Cinerama

    * Patton (1970) – Dimension 150

    * Baraka (1992) – Todd-AO, documentary

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post #29 of 34
11/16/09 at 11:00pm
I believe there were some 65 MM films made by the former Soviet Union. The cinematic process was called SOVSCOPE 70.

Dersu Uzala (1975) is one example.



Edited by John Stockton - 11/16/09 at 11:55pm
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post #30 of 34
11/17/09 at 7:59am
JediFonger: Thanks for this great list! I'm amazed at how many of these I've never seen, like Porgy and Bess, Can-Can, Magnificent Men, etc., etc...
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