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Hi Joe, I am an Australian collector and a big fan of your Columbia Special Edition Laserdiscs (LOST HORIZON, 1776 etc). Before Sony released 1776 on dvd I was in contact with someone in the "ideas dept" and suggested they re-use the LD commentary or bring Peter Stone in to do one as he had done one for CHARADE with Criterion. I also suggested they restore the faded sequences as best they could to release the uncut version. As you'd know they did a new commentary track with Stone and Peter Hunt and found the full negative in a "mine shaft"-type storage vault. (Though I wish Mr Hunt had left it intact as it is on the LD version).
Re FOREVER AMBER, I read when the LD was being planned (ultimately unreleased I think) that a collector had offered Fox the uncensored ending (showing Amber resigned to returning to her courtesan life) but then withdrew this offer.Pity. Do you know if any footage survives of the aborted version with British actress Peggy Cummins? If so, they could make a fascinating Spec. Ed. with maybe a Preminger expert providing a commentary dealing with the censorship concerns, the great Raksin score etc.
Do you know if the Spanish release of the Ladd film ONE FOOT IN HELL is in Scope or P+S? Ken is looking into this for me.
On two different "notes", are there any plans for a dvd of the 1973 LOST HORIZON? Has the notorious "fertility dance" with Olivia Hussey at the end of 'Living Together' been found? Is there any progress on a release of PORGY AND BESS? I have a letterboxed copy of the 120 minute General Release Cut which is watchable but does not contain 'My Man's Gone Now',a highpoint of the Gershwin score. Did the 70mm screenings in NYC a few years ago spark any studio interest? I have heard that MGM/UA have the rights but this is not verified.Cheers, Mike
I think the Peggy Cummings footage still existed as of 1989, but all of that stuff was moved and who knows if they junked it?
Don't know about a collector having the uncut ending. Very unlikely. The film was cut early in its originla run- fox sent out new beginnings and endings with a deman that the originals be sent back.
Porgy and Bess is with MGM but they don't want to spend the money required to restore the film, as the contract with Goldwyn does not last much longer.
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Hi Mike in Autralia. Thanks for the compliments. Don't kow about columbias plans for Horizon. BTW, the negative for 1776 was never lost. Some prick at columbia claimed they didn't know where it was. Hooray for Hollywood.
I think the Peggy Cummings footage still existed as of 1989, but all of that stuff was moved and who knows if they junked it?
Don't know about a collector having the uncut ending. Very unlikely. The film was cut early in its originla run- fox sent out new beginnings and endings with a deman that the originals be sent back.
Porgy and Bess is with MGM but they don't want to spend the money required to restore the film, as the contract with Goldwyn does not last much longer.
I guess the good news is the the contract between Goldwyn and MGM does not last much longer. It would be interesting to see Lost Horizon (73) on DVD. It was always an interesting experiment for that time.
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You have to be careful. I bought the Fox western "Rio Conchos", nice transfer, but it zooms in from 2:35 to 16:9 after the titles. I also got the Warner title "Teahouse Of The August Moon", just awful, non-anamorphic with a smeary picture (I understand the R1 disc was very good). You can safely buy "The Egyptian" which looks & sounds terrific. I was going to buy "Gold Diggers Of 1933" (the R1 is now very expensive), but after Teahouse, I'd like to read a review first.
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I've been waiting to hear from Ken on ONE FOOT IN HELL. Do you know if the Spanish version is in full Scope?
There was talk of Fox releasing FOREVER AMBER on LD with the uncensored ending from a privately owned print (which shows Linda Darnell resignedly returning to her courtesan life). This was in the dying days of Laserdisc and I don't think the release took place. Do you know if any footage survives from the aborted Peggy Cummins version? If so, they could do a great Special Edition of this title.
Is there any word on LOST HORIZON making it to dvd? Would they be likely to use your restored version of this film whenever they release it? Has the Olivia Hussey dance sequence from 'Living together,Growing Together' been found?
Finally, I have the 120 min General Release Version of PORGY IN BESS in Wide Screen from a Rare Movie website. It's watchable but I was hoping that the recent screenings in New York (70mm print?) would lead to a dvd release of the 136 min cut. Is it true that MGM/UA have the rights but are wary of outlaying the costs involved in restoring it for dvd release? Cheers, Mike Evans (Australia)
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By the way Allen, what if Goldwyn and the Gershwins bury PORGY AND BESS again when the time expires with MGM? I wish they'd just transfer the best print they have (it would have to beat my bootleg copy) so we have access to the full version again. There's a legion of folk who would stampede to Tower to get a halfway reasonable version of this film.
Also, on a Fox note, has anyone ever found the cut songs from THE KING AND I or CAROUSEL? I'd be happy to see them even if they have faded to shades of pink.Did anyone else out there think the commentary track with Ernest Lehman and Marni Nixon on the 40th anniversary LD of KING AND I was much better than the DVD commentary?
I was very happy see that Fox cable are now showing Scope versions of WOMAN OBSESSED (Hayward) and TEN NORTH FREDERICK(Cooper). Would love to see proper releases of more Fox Scope films of the '50's (egs .BEST THINGS IN LIFE ARE FREE,THE VIEW FROM POMPEY'S HEAD) but the trend now appears to be to release these kinds of titles on DVD-R with little or no restoration and no special features.Do we know how long DVD-R copies will last? I've known some CD-R discs to "conk out" after a period of time.To be frank I'm a little tired of the same old titles being recycled a dozen times, now with the gloss of Blu-ray.(I like Blu-Ray, but how many new classic titles are coming out now, either in SD or on BluRay? What's happened to the great Fox Noir collection?Studio Classics? THE ROBE + SOUTH PACIFIC are terrific but they are the exception and not the rule it would seem).Speaking of DVD-R, does anyone know if THE GROUP and DREAMCHILD will be in OAR?
Finally, how does UNTAMED look in the Spanish release? Is it full Scope or cropped? Do the Stereo films have stereo soundtracks? Thanks, Mike
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By the way Allen, what if Goldwyn and the Gershwins bury PORGY AND BESS again when the time expires with MGM? I wish they'd just transfer the best print they have (it would have to beat my bootleg copy) so we have access to the full version again. There's a legion of folk who would stampede to Tower to get a halfway reasonable version of this film.
What do you mean bury again? It is still in rights hell for a DVD release. I have heard that there is interest from the Gershwin estate to allow it to be released, but no one right now wants to deal with the costs, Goldwyn, Gershwins or MGM. And with MGM on the auction block, it will and would never happen under their banner.
My comment was that if the Goldwyn titles get out from under MGM perhaps we will have get some of the great titles that are in that library and not on DVD, such as the Danny Kaye and Eddie Cantor films. Both of those actors are not represented well in the DVD market.
The only time I have seen PORGY & BESS was a telecast on the ABC Sunday Night Movie back in ????, So I have never seen it widescreen and heard it in stereo. I do remember that it made a very lasting impression on me at an early age and to this day I remember a lot of the scenes. I would love to see it is a glorious legitimate DVD release, but we will never see it under the MGM label and getting out from under them there is a small chance.
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I have most of the Kaye and Cantor films on LD. They look very good. (As you probably know Goldwyn saw Kaye as his new Cantor and a few Kaye films are loose remakes of past Cantor hits, eg UP IN ARMS). Would like to see them on dvd too.
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I kinda got the impression from Joe and another friend that MGM could release it now if they chose to as they have the rights. As I recall it came on Channel 7 one weeknight in 1974 for its one and only TV broadcast in Melbourne.My email address is cscope59@yahoo.com if you'd like to know more about the copy I have which is at least Letterboxed.
I have most of the Kaye and Cantor films on LD. They look very good. (As you probably know Goldwyn saw Kaye as his new Cantor and a few Kaye films are loose remakes of past Cantor hits, eg UP IN ARMS). Would like to see them on dvd too.
I also have the Kaye and Cantor on laserdisc and enjoy them. I read on another thread that the Gershwin estate was holding up any home video release in the US, not sure about other countries. As you know, MGM is in terrible financial shape and is obtaining bids for library and other assets. There is hope that someone will acquire them and do something with the library. When the agreement with Goldwyn ends, it will be up to them to make a deal or go it alone.
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- Way... Way Out (1966): Jerry Lewis, Connie Stevens, Anita Ekberg
- My Gal Sal (1942): Rita Hayworth, Victor Mature, Carole Landis
- Destination Gobi (1953): Richard Widmark, Don Taylor
- When the Legends Die (1972): Richard Widmark, Frederic Forrest, Luana Anders

And Fox continues to release classics in Spain.
For December (the 2nd) we will have:
- Holy Matrimony (1943): Monty Woolley, Gracie Fields, Laird Cregar;
- Pony Soldier (1952): Tyrone Power, Cameron Mitchell;
- The Roots of Heaven (1958): Errol Flynn, Juliette Greco, Orson Welles;
- The Gift of Love (1958): Lauren Bacall, Robert Stack
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Does anybody know if BOY ON A DOLPHIN is Anamorphic/Stereo and how does it look?
I only have a 4:3 pan and scan that I recorded off TV, so I desperately need an upgrade.
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I wonder if this DVD release will be the same transfer?
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Of course it is.
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I bought Untamed (Tyrone Power, Susan Hayward) and the transfer is awful. Yes, it is 2:35:1, but it's non-anamorphic, as well as pixillated, full of artifacts, blurry -- looks like a bootleg. I am leery of buying any of these Spanish releases, though I'd sure love to have a widescreen DVD of Pony Soldier, another Power film.
I suspect that the anamorphic ones will be new transfers.
I had been hoping for a third Power box set with his costume/adventure pics (including King of the Khyber Rifles) but it looks like it's not to be. :(
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http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewMovie?id=307718968&s=143441
The films produced by Warner but edited by Impulso Records are generally of poor quality, without anamorphic enhancement.
The films produced by Fox but edited by Impulse Records usually have better quality, but not always anamorphic.
Some examples:
Warner: "The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse" (good material. Anamorphic).
Fox: "The Rains of Ranchipur", "The Roots of Heaven", "The Egiptian", are dvds with acceptable quality and Anamorphic, but other titles, like "The Gift of Love" or "Untamed", respect the original aspect ratio but are not anamorphic; and " Boy on a Dolphin", for example, is not anamorphic and looks pretty bad.
You can find more information and screenshots on these links of mundodvd, forum dedicated to dvd in Spain:
http://www.mundodvd.com/showthread.php?t=60697
http://www.mundodvd.com/showthread.php?t=51203&highlight=warner+impulso
http://www.mundodvd.com/forumdisplay.php?f=25
http://www.mundodvd.com/showthread.php?p=1616666#post1616666
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Very sorry to edit your post, Rafael, but I wonder if you ever picked up these two from your original list?
I'm quite interested in ordering but in view of the comments in this thread am somewhat wary until I hear more.
What's been your experience?
Hi Mike,
I already bought both of them, but my the shippment will only arrive in the second week of January. I can assure you that, as soon as I receive them, I will give you some feedback.
Anyway, I read some reviews in the forum indicated by Francisco and there it says the transfers are good. For the Iron Curtain there are some screen captures in this link (I don't know how accurate they are): http://www.mundodvd.com/showthread.php?t=67327
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