24: Season Eight - Page 9

This episode started off a little slow(anytime "Elvis" Hassan and his storyline are on screen things seem to grind to a halt), but the second half-hour reminded me of vintage 24. When Jack threatened to kill the kid's mother and when he screamed "LOOK INTO MY EYES!" at him I felt like the show was back to old form.

I was hoping the lame Dana subplot would be over.  Parole officer is leaving early in the morning, so he's gotta meet with her right now during a crisis (when she is already in trouble for leaving her post??).  I'd say, later fella, have a nice trip back.

AICN is reporting that FOX may pull the plug on 24 due to bad ratings with an announcement possibly coming in the next day or two. If true, that means only 13 episodes left until it's all over.

I have to wonder if the parole officer is really a parole officer and maybe in cahoots with her ex's buddy.

And, geez, doesn't anyone ever sleep? I know it's a ridiculous point on a show like 24 but it seems esp obvious this season.  And if I was Dana I would have made up an excuse that I needed something to eat and went home for a shower because, you know, I've been on duty for over 12 hours without a break and I think there are some laws about that, dammit.

Yeah, I wouldn't be devastated at this point if this was the last season. They've pretty much have done everything already and it must be tough to come up with fresh ideas. I still enjoy the show, but after all this time, it doesn't have the same impact as it did a few years back.

It would be one less thing I would have to devote time to and if the show does end they can start working on the movie that they are apparently planning to make.

This isn't surprising. I think it may have to do with the fact that some of the decisions regarding production have added to that. I've noted that  producers have added a new level of violence to the show and  that most viewers may have found it unacceptable. I do know that if I found it unacceptable, since it should have been relegated more to horror shows, by broadcasting those scenes on network television, they may have crossed the line with many viewers.

Not only that, but I know when I was watching the first two episodes, it seemed to lack the very production values that brought fans to the first seven seasons. Whikle many may be enjoying the current season, I was just turned off by it. The first episode seemed to take too long to get started and the first two episodes had very little to do with Jack. Jack Bauer is why the fans love the show ... the fact that it's been widely theorized that Freddie Prinze Jr was being tauted as taking over Jack's role as Jack Jr.

Dude, give it a rest with the violence angle. 24 has ALWAYS been a violent show, but it's far from the most graphic series on broadcast TV. Have you ever watched any of the CSI shows? If you're so offended by what's depicted on 24 go watch something more settling to you like Gossip Girl.

Rank speculation on your part.  You are not "most viewers."  You are not even a "minority of viewers."  In fact you are exactly half of the smallest number of "viewers" possible.  Unless you have a cite for this statement, well . . . even Jack Bauer would quit beating the horse by now.

I was just about to post a parallel sentiment.  Jeff beat me to it. 

How could Jaref have any possible idea if "most viewers" find a supposed "new level of violence" "unacceptable."  Those are three suppositions about which I doubt Gallup (or Neilson) has been busy polling America.

It's true that 24 has always been a violent show. However, the actual on-screen violence that has occured this season has been increase to a much higher degree than previous seasons. For CSI? Sure, I'm not arguing that other shows cross the line sometimes. However, when you show a scene on a television network on someone cutting off another person's hand, it's the type of gore that doesn't belong broadcast on network television.

Secondly, I never said that I represented a majority nor a minority. What you're missing is that the number of fans of the 24 television series outnumber the number of online fans of the series. Also, I think the point is missed here. I'm simply saying that this is why so many people blame the entertainment industry for their decisions is airing this kind of content where anyone can see it.

The network censors should have caught that scene and removed it but they didn't. I'm also saying that I'm probably, and more than likely, not the only viewer/fan of this series who has expressed concern over this and not every fan who saw these scenes, is a member of this community. I'm simply saying that the scene was tasteless and perhaps should have been edited out of the broadcast epsiode but released only for the home video release.

Jaref:  You are perfectly within your rights to say that you didn't like the scene and that you may or may not watch the show any more because of scenes like that.  That's the very reason forums exist.

But that's not what you said above. 

If we missed your point, it's because you didn't make it. 

I don't know if 24 has become more violent or graphic. Whatever the case, if it has or if people perceive that it has, I can easily buy the idea that some people would turn the show off and stop watching.

However, given the violent nature of the show in general since it began, I'd say it's a safe bet that the majority of people who have stopped watching 24 have done so simply because they're bored.

How long have you been watching the show? I've seen every episode since it started, and it doesn't seem any more violent now than it's been all along. Past seasons have included countless killings, beatings, explosions, and other terrorist stuff. Hint: a show about fighting terrorism is going to have some violence. People who don't like violent shows generally don't watch shows like 24.

I don't see anyone other than you complaining about the show being violent. The most common complaint here is that this season has been pretty weak, nothing to do with the amount of violence.

And there is the warning that airs before each episode (which changes weekly) to warn viewers of the upcoming content.

Chris, while my experience with 24 has been the DVD's, I have every season of 24 on DVD. I love every season, up through the end of Season 7. They are still my favourites. I think everyone took my words out of context. I just haven't been impressed with the current season and the level of violence, I felt that the directors took the level of violence and gore and crossed that line of what's considered acceptable entertainment for television shows.

As for the future of the show, SciFi reposted a quote from a Variety article:

That's valid and fine.


That's not cool.  That's the kind of generalization that people (like me) will call you out on when appropriate.  It's a lame attempt at deflection when caught with your rhetorical pants down at your ankles. 

I certainly don't think I took your words out of context.  And I don't think Jeff Gatie did either.  In fact, we both directly quoted your very own words using the HTF's "quote" function. 

You might argue that we misunderstood your meaning.  But if we did, it's incumbent upon you to explain where the written word failed to convey your meaning--either on your end or our end. 

It's hard to say your words are taken out of context when they are written down and repeated verbatim at the point of refutation.  I'd say it's much more likely that you simply didn't write what you mean...or that you, indeed, wrote what you meant and were wrong.

State all the personal opinions you want.  Just don't misstate facts (or make them up) and then say it's everyone else's fault when you are called out on them. 

I think what this thread needs is more posts disagreeing with kemcha.

Personally, I'll miss "24" when it's gone -- even with all the obvious problems. But yes, 8 years is a good run, and there are enough good shows on TV to keep me entertained.

I wish 24 was more violent. There I said it!!!

Seriously, though, when they do the big screen version I do hope it's an R-rated flick and not a watered down PG-13 affair. After 8 years of only being able to say "dammit" and "sonofabitch" Jack Bauer deserves to drop a couple of F-bombs.

It's my opinion. Nothing more. Fact is if one person feels this way about the current season of 24 and these violent scenes then there's likely more people who feel that way. Not everyone has your views ... the thing is that the network censors messed up.

Uhhhh, your opinion is not applicable to a "fact" about anyone except you.  Once again, you are projecting your own feelings onto the populace at large with absolutely no factual evidence to support it.   You don't need this kind of overreaching speculation to state your own opinion, and frankly it takes away from any point you are trying to make .  Also, I never claimed that everyone has my views; you are the one claiming the rest of the populace agrees with you, not me.

But that is...again...NOT what you said before.   You need to choose your words more carefully if you care at all about conveying your opinions accurately.



Not necessarily.  That is certainly an arguable point.  Remember, there are warnings which air before each episode letting viewers know what's coming.  There are also ratings which are displayed on-screen at the return from every commercial break. 

Just cuz you don't like it, don't make it so.

If you don't like violence, definitely do NOT watch Spartacus: Blood and Sand :)  That show (which has gotten better and better with each episode), makes 300 look like The Bridges of Madison County!

Quote: I think most viewers thought that it was implied that she was going to cut off the hand as that episode was ending and then we found out in the next episode that it was only the thumb.  It could be that they either wanted us to think that for shock value.