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post #31 of 52
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Nelson, I'm thinking of suing her school for pain and suffering. The kids a freaking green monster. We have 3 garbage receptacles in the kitchen for recyclables, renewables and non-degradeables. God help anyone who mis-classifies their garbage in the house.

I'm going to have to check out that feature. My Solara has it, and it was amusing until it broke. It always reverts to 47 mpg now, for about the past 2 years.

Hey Nelson, is it true that the car has to run on premium gas?
post #32 of 52
Hey Carl,

I can understand! Nothing wrong with saving the planet. That was why I brought up the fuel economy.

Yes, the BMW requires premium gas. I've never used anything but premium in the car. I'm afraid to use anything less for fear of damaging the engine.
post #33 of 52
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Hey Sumner, being as you live so close to them, could you go over to BMW for me and make sure they're doing a good job on my car?
 
IF you give me some info - I will see what I can do but because of the various holidays, It would best be after Jan 6. I have the feeling that they can't say they are doing a good job. Are going to pick it up here?
post #34 of 52
 Hey guys, somewhat off topic. Something surprising happened to my BMW yesterday. The BMW roundel emblem flew off the hood while I was on the highway! The inserted emblem on the chrome base separated! The car only has 70K miles and garaged. 

I can get a new emblem for about $35.00 or less, so I'll just swap it out. I am surprised this happened, I was only going 65mph. I had to laugh when I saw it.

post #35 of 52
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Thought I'd give an update on my BMW purchase. I walked into the dealership this afternoon to pick up my nice, shiny, brand new Monaco Blue 328ix Coupe but what I found waiting for me was a shiny, brand new Montego Blue 328ix Couple. Oh yes, I'm serious.

In case you're wondering how this could happen, it went pretty much like this...I pointed to the Monaco Blue car in the showroom and said that's the color I want. I asked the salesman if that was Monaco Blue and he said yes. When all was said and done, I placed a deposit, signed the papers etc, etc, and got an invoice listing all the specifics of the car that was to be ordered on which, under color, it read:

 

"M Blue".

Not being aware that there was another M Blue, standing for Montego Blue, I thought nothing of this and the order was later placed by the salesman at some point after I left....During which time he apparently decided that M stood for Montego as in Montego Blue. I was quite surprised, to say the least.

Now we have a problem because as was the case 6 weeks ago when I bought the car, if we re-order it, another 2,500 miles will accumulate on my trade in car and therefore the cars trade-in value may decrease. So where I started out 6 weeks ago with a trade in value of $9,000 which today when I tried to pick up the car was $8,900...6- weeks from now, it could be and likely will be worth even less....problem is that the decrease between $8,900 and whatever it will be say 6 weeks from now should I re-order will be a cost to me that is the result of their error....making me pay for their mistake.

They offered another car out of inventory, but none had all the options I wanted, leaving me the option to settle for something that is not quite the car I want.

They then offered to increase the current trade in value of the car by $500, leaving me still at risk of getting hosed by the re-appraisal 6 weeks from now and possibly still paying for their mistake should the reappraisal come it at less then today's value of  $8,900.

Of course, I have the option of walking away.

So, I'm pondering what to do. I told them I wanted to think about it for a day or so....Opinions, anyone?

post #36 of 52
Sorry Carl to hear about this mistake on the color. 

I know this is of no comfort to you, when I ordered mine, I had made sure of everything was as I wanted. And I made sure I knew what everything was. Easy for me to say and harder to do when you're in the moment and the excitement of the situation. I had ordered my car in Titanium Silver. I knew I couldn't go wrong there.

So I'm not sure what I can suggest or what opinions I can offer. If I read the third to last paragraph correctly, they did offer to give you an additional $500 towards the value of your trade-in. I think your fear is that in the time it takes for them to ship another car over, the value of your trade-in will drop below the $8,900, even with the extra $500 they are offering you. Can't they agree to give you the market price of your trade-in today at the time you get the new car?

Do you have any other BMW dealers not too far away? Perhaps you could see what they have in stock? Or see if your dealer can find a car fitted like what you want at near by dealers? If they want your business, I would hope they'd bend over a little and make an effort to find you a car. I realize the possibility of finding one in the same color and set-up would be pretty low. 

Sorry again for your first experience with BMW as a negative one. Good luck with what you chose to do. I wouldn't give up yet and see if the dealer will make it right.
post #37 of 52
Not to be unsympathetic, but it seem incongruous to be worrying about a loss of $200 while purchasing a BMW.  I'd be more depressed (and more sympathetic) over having to wait 6 more weeks for the car you've been jonsing for.

(On the other hand, maybe the lack of giving a hoot over $200 is why I'm not currently in the market for a BMW ...)
post #38 of 52
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Thanks Nelson...I went to a different dealer today, and they won't touch the price I got. They seem to work from the same pool of cars far as what's in inventory as well, so they can't offer anything in stock the other dealer doesn't also have access to....They won't lock in any price today because something could happen that might severely decrease the value of the car between now and the next 6-8 weeks. I understand their point on that. I'm going back to the dealer today to accept their $500 offer as research seems to indicate it will be enough of a hedge that I won't lose money on their mistake.

Al, I do apologize to you. I should not have wasted your time by closing my post with "opinions, anyone"? Clearly I should have specified by requesting opinions from those with something constructive to say instead. Can you ever forgive me?
post #39 of 52
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Al, I do apologize to you. I should not have wasted your time by closing my post with "opinions, anyone"? Clearly I should have specified by requesting opinions from those with something constructive to say instead. Can you ever forgive me?


No, my bad, I thought people liked to have fun in the AHL.  Obviously there are some with tight cheeks for whom that doesn't apply.  Enjoy your car, I won't bother you again.
post #40 of 52
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Perhaps I misunderstood your post Al...it seemed rather snarky when I read it. The last sentence in particular. If I'm wrong about that, I do sincerely apologize.

If you're interested, the possibility that their error could cost me money is more about whether I should pay for their mistake or not. It's a principle issue and a risk issue. You say $200 is what it would cost me, but It could be more money however, perhaps $1,000 if say, someone puts a nice big dent in my car next time I go grocery shopping.

Of course there are worse problems in life, but I'm not here complaining nor am I seeking sympathy. I'm just sharing a story.
post #41 of 52
Good luck with the next car they build for you. What amazes me is that you waited 6 weeks! Back in 2001, when I ordered my car, typical wait times were 3 months! I guess they've shortened the build time.

Regarding the blue mix-up, it's all a matter of personal taste, but I rather like the Monaco blue! If I had to chose between the 2 blues, I would have chosen that. it's very close to black. I had to go look the colors up since I'm not up on the current color offerings.

I guess you had your heart set on blue. I'm curious if they had another color, if you'd like that one too if they could give you another car that matched what you ordered, except the color. I always like silver myself because it's neutral. And it doesn't show dirty as much. Or white, my other car is white. And I had black too. I really learned how to take care of black paint. It's take a lot of time and effort. Which is why I came back to silver! Again, color is a very emotional thing. 
post #42 of 52
Sidebar: How many people realize that a "beemer" is not a car but a motorcycle? I didn't until a couple years ago.
post #43 of 52
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Thanks Nelson! I was surprised at the 6 weeks myself. I've been told it's usually closer to 8 weeks. 12 weeks? That's a long long time. Was getting the car after that long of a wait really really great or sort of anti-climactic?

My visit to the dealer went ok. The manager called it an embarasment which I can't disagree with, and we agreed on taking $500 off price of the car. The manager then went to write up the invoice and order himself and when he came back with it, it still read Montego Blue! That had to be corrected again, and then when I reviewed the invoice more closely, I realized that they were charging me more for the car. The new invoice reflected 2010 pricing, but the original purchase in Nov, had 2009 prices...so we had to discuss that and get that corrected. Amazing. Finally though, after a 2+ hour visit, I walked away with the car re-ordered in Monaco Blue so I'm happy and hopeful all will go well this time.

I really like the Monaco Blue too Nelson. The Montego Blue is not my style. Very bright and sort of loud. The manager told me that this error hurt him too because he felt he would have a hard time selling the car due to the color which he said was more of a warm weather color more common down south, and because it had no heated seats which he said everyone wants. There was no way I was going to take that color car no matter what he offered. He asked if there was anything he could do to sell it to me and I said no.

I might have taken the car in black if they had one equally equipped. I love a black car if it's properly cared for but it's a lot of work as you know. The Monaco Blue will require work too, but from what I've read not quite so much as black. I do like white on BMW's...they look great in white. The one white car I had in the past though used to get these black streaks from moldings and such that I could never get out. I don't know if BMW's have that problem but I pretty much wrote off white for cars because of that. They did offer me a silver one today that had everything I wanted, but also a ton of stuff I didn't want like navigation and though the price offered was excellent, it was significantly more than I wanted to spend.

Color is definitely a purely personal thing, though I have an uncle who is a Mercedes fanatic going on 40 years now and he doesn't care at all what color car he gets. He has no need to get a bargain but he always ends up getting an end of the year inventory car they couldn't sell at a great price but an odd color...and then he proceeds to tell everyone what a bargain it was. His current car is an E class coupe in Quartz Blue and I've never seen another one in that color around here.

Chris, I didn't know that...was it an actual model name or just slang where somehow BMW motorcycles became beemers and cars became bimmers?

post #44 of 52
 Hey Carl, 

Glad you worked out a deal that you're happy with and that they're building you a new car! Good luck with this one!

As far as waiting 3 months. I was old enough to be patient about it and not think of it everyday in anticipation. Even though it was exciting and my first real BMW! I had time to prep my other car and ready it for sale. There was a teenage kid who just couldn't wait to buy my car. So when the day came, I was certainly excited and it was a really great experience. I didn't know what to expect. The car was as I expected, so no surprises or let down. The salesman who sold me my car spent about 30 minutes with me going over all the details of how each control works. That was really nice. Maybe not all dealers do this. The only thing that wasn't explained was how to put it in reverse! It is a 5-speed manual and i didn't realize how much force you need to apply to get it to go in. 

Don't know what you mean by the black streaks, unless you are referring to when the mouldings get scuffed and scratched. I try to avoid that!  I have a 1967 Mustang that's Wimbleton White. Sort of light creme white. Looks great!

I've always heard BMW's referred to as either Bimmers or Beamers. But I never know the origin and just assumed it was another way to say BMW.
post #45 of 52
Congrats on the new car. It is too bad you can't wait a month or two because of the weather. Beware of ice storms!!!!!

I was hoping to see you picking up the car here. FYI, the german  name is :

BAY-EM-VAY   (VAY  as in BAY with a V). whereas the english is Bee-EM-W.
Edited by Sumnernor - 1/12/10 at 7:11am
post #46 of 52
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Nelson, I had a 1984 white Mustang GT, and the color of the black side molding bled downward onto the white paint over time and once that happened, it was near impossible to get rid of it even with an abrasive polish. Ford actually replaced the moldings for me, which ran the length of the car and it happened all over again. I'd seen similar in other cars at that time and figured it was a common problem. It drove me nuts because I've always been pretty meticulous about my cars and did some detailing work for side money when I was younger. That pretty much turned me off from buying white cars, though I've always liked the look of them.

67 Mustang? Consider me jealous! Fastback, coupe, convertible? Regardless, one of my favorite cars of all time.

Sumnernor, thanks! I'll be waiting for a while that's for sure. But we will be more than half way thru winter by the time it's delivered I would guess, and that's not a bad thing.
post #47 of 52
 Carl, 

The Mustang is a coupe my Dad bought new. It's pretty plain jane, but I like it! I have plans for it.

I never heard of what you're referring to and I've been into Mustangs for a long time! I had an 86 and a 94 before the BMW. Was the glue bleeding?

Well, you shouldn't have a problem like that with the BMW!

Mustang
post #48 of 52
A bit off-topic so please forgive an aging boomer.

When I was a kid my dad always custom ordered his cars, starting with a '53 Chevy Bel Air convertible and ending with a '67 Dodge Coronet 500--switched to Toyota and Honda after that and never ordered again.

Anyway, in early '65 we had a '58 Buick and a '64 VW Karmann Ghia.  The Buick, at 120k miles was getting long in the tooth and he wanted to finally pop for a car with AC.  He ordered a new Impala SS coupe with the 327 engine, AC, Powerglide, HD suspension, etc. in Mist Blue. 

Two days after the order there was a strike at all the GM factories and we had to wait 3 months to get the Impala.  In the mean time he sold the Buick to a nice older couple and we had to use the Ghia as transport for a family of 4 including two very tall teenage boys for two months.
I still have occasional attacks of sciatica that I blame on the UAW.
post #49 of 52
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You say $200 is what it would cost me, but It could be more money however, perhaps $1,000 if say, someone puts a nice big dent in my car next time I go grocery shopping.
 

Of course if that happens, you'll actually be REALLY glad that you didn't have the BMW yet.
post #50 of 52
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Nelson, I love that car in any model and to me there's nothing plain jane about it. In the spring and summer, we have a sort of local car show gathering every Friday night. Hundreds of people bring their classic/custom cars from all over Long Island to a train station parking lot (several lots actually) to show their cars. There are always a bunch of classic Mustangs there amongst just about everything else. You'd probably love it.

I never found ot what the cause of those black streaks were. The dealer initially said it must have been a coloring defect in the plastic but when they replaced the moldings and it happened again, they just shrugged it off.

Steve, I had to refresh my memory about the Ghia and check out some pictures...was there really a back seat in that? We had a similar problem though we weren't teens at the time, but my father had a 1967 VW Bug that he used to squeeze us all into when we were kids because that was the "good car"...the bad car being a 61' Buick Skylark that started only when it wanted to.

Greg, I can't argue with that!
post #51 of 52
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Nelson, I love that car in any model and to me there's nothing plain jane about it. In the spring and summer, we have a sort of local car show gathering every Friday night. Hundreds of people bring their classic/custom cars from all over Long Island to a train station parking lot (several lots actually) to show their cars. There are always a bunch of classic Mustangs there amongst just about everything else. You'd probably love it.

I never found ot what the cause of those black streaks were. The dealer initially said it must have been a coloring defect in the plastic but when they replaced the moldings and it happened again, they just shrugged it off.

Steve, I had to refresh my memory about the Ghia and check out some pictures...was there really a back seat in that? We had a similar problem though we weren't teens at the time, but my father had a 1967 VW Bug that he used to squeeze us all into when we were kids because that was the "good car"...the bad car being a 61' Buick Skylark that started only when it wanted to.

Greg, I can't argue with that!
 

The Ghia's "back seat" consisted of two 1-inch thick padded boards, one vertical and the other horizontal.  The front edge of the horizontal board had 1/2"of clearance between it and the back of the front seats when they were all the way back (and my parents were tall so they were all the way back).  My brother and I wedged ourselves in sideways facing each other with our knees in our faces for those 50 mile trips to visit Grandma.

I later learned to drive in the Ghia--the Impala was off limits until a year or two later--and drove it to some after school activities when I was in high school.  The really cool thing was that my school was way out in the boonies and most of my friends mistook the humble 40 hp Ghia for a Porsche. 
post #52 of 52
Hey Carl, 

Yeah, I call my car plain jane because it's a humble little 6 cylinder! It's not a GT or anything fancy. I think I like it that way, I eventually want to drop a properly built V-8 in it that will look vintage and upgrades to the brakes and suspension. I'll have a nice little cruiser! I'd like it to be as fast or faster then the BMW!

I've been to a few classic car shows out hear in California. Many local area car shows in the SF Bay Area, particularly the ones at Stanford and the fancy one at Pebble Beach. It's fun to see the muscle cars. A lot of good ones, I saw some really nice 65 to 67 Mustangs this year. A nice 1970 Mach One too!

Nelson
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