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post #61 of 221
10/22/09 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by benjamink View Post

We're fixing 5 bugs immediately...

* Subscriptions Only should be ON by default
* Feed settings should be saved completely!
* Summary View should be ON by default and saved!
* Last Edited By is being shown as Originator ...  we are fixing this
* NEW POST COUNT is being put back where it belongs!
 

When is "immediately"? I'm still waiting.

I really miss the "new post count" feature and vastly look forward to its return.
I don't suppose we could add the forum navigation tool/menu to the home page while we're at it, could we? I keep looking for this every time there is an update, but no luck so far.
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post #62 of 221
10/22/09 at 5:42pm
To follow up on Man & Dave F's dialogue:

I'm kinda surprised when a website designer, confronted with his own non-functioning product,  would ask users what sort of fix would work. 
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post #63 of 221
10/22/09 at 5:54pm


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Originally Posted by Bill Buklis View Post

I don't suppose we could add the forum navigation tool/menu to the home page while we're at it, could we? I keep looking for this every time there is an update, but no luck so far.

Along with the fix to the "More Forums" navigation tool itself so that it opens within the monitor window.  Or, the return of the drop-down menu.


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post #64 of 221
10/22/09 at 6:24pm


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Originally Posted by DaveF View Post

I disagree in that basic features are being broken; things that immediately disrupt our "routine-centric paths" are screwed up. I found this in the first 10 seconds of seeing the new forum. I think I would have forseen the problem during design discussions before any code was made, any templates created.

 . . .

 

Dave,

I didn't mean to say having a few regular users help out w/ testing (and design) is bad.  I meant there actually needs to be more than that -- for the QA aspect of it.

Anyway, I don't know how design decisions are being made right now, but it looks like there is probably not nearly enough emphasis on making a smooth transition for the existing user base whenever significant changes are designed and made (on top of the usual useability issues and bugs).

For instance, is there even a rollback option when releases are made now?  If so, that should've been something considered while "immediate" fixes are being made for the next release.

_Man_
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post #65 of 221
10/22/09 at 8:02pm
I see what you're saying. No disagreement.

I basically can't navigate HTF in its present state. Maybe someone can PM me when things are fixed. Thanks.
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post #66 of 221
10/22/09 at 9:33pm
We are doing some final testing of the fixes tonight and will be rolling them out Friday AM.  Thanks for your patience. 

There is a lot that has been said in this thread, and while we might no be responding to every post we are listening.  There has been a lot of work the past few releases on behind the scenes things for reviewers and moderators and lots of forum tuning, but the last few weeks we have been working closely with the development team to included enhancements asked for onto the development road map. 

The old features request thread was closed and we opened the suggestion box area where we created several category threads.  This is where Ron, Parker and I are looking for requests.

Dave, I'll send you a PM in the morning.
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post #67 of 221
10/23/09 at 6:31am
I know you guys are planning on a fix to the issue of having to click on the "Subscriptions Only" button every time we return "Home"...but I thought I'd report I am hanging this morning most times when I click on the "subscriptions only" button.  That "Loading Content" graphic just sp[ins and spins and spins:


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post #68 of 221
10/23/09 at 6:57am
Looks like "the fix is in."

The "Subscriptions Only" button will now "stick," there is a number now on the far left side of each thread box (indicating the # of new posts) and the thread originator's name has returned. 

I would advise that the "New Post #" should probably be identified so members have some kind of clue what it is.
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post #69 of 221
10/23/09 at 7:24am
Thanks for the fix...but here's what I'm talking about re: the post #s.  And, am I the only one who thinks the first picture is much more aesthetically pleasing (easy to read)?

I'm still unsure what was the reason for the change.

Most recent style:



New style:


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post #70 of 221
10/23/09 at 7:37am
There seems to be some bug with the "More" button underneath the listing of threads on my home page.  When I click it, I see more threads...but they are a re-listing of the threads I already see listed...but in a different order. 

It's hard for me to show you...since only so many threads show up on my monitor screen at one time, but let me see if this serves as an illustration.

In the list below, the thread titled "Testy Area 51" was the last thread in the list when I came to my home page.  I pushed the "More" button and more threads were revealed.  The next thread is actually this one (which was listed first at the very top of the page).  And you can see the 2nd new thread shown (to which I am subscribed but haven't posted in) is already visible on-screen as part of the first listing.  So you can see that one listed twice.


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post #71 of 221
10/23/09 at 8:07am
Regarding the bug I just posted about.  I thought maybe the problem would sort itself out after all the threads had been posted in again...but that doesn't seem to be the case. 

I just made a post in one of my subscribed threads...which shot it to the top of the list on my home page.  I clicked on the "More" button at the bottom of the list and that thread showed up again (a second time) in the expanded list. 
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post #72 of 221
10/23/09 at 8:11am
Mike,
this is a known bug and we're working on it... the timestamps, however, that you see on the posts within the threads are totally correct, so don't need to worry that the data is wrong. What gets thrown off is the order when you click "more"

the issue happening is that the order of the feed updates gets set when you first load the feed page, then when you click "more", the content blocks are added on in that same order they had been in when you first loaded the page. At the same time though any new posts that have occurred since that original order of the updates was determined get inserted into the thread content blocks (as they should because they happened after the initial feed order was determined).

To get things ordered perfectly chronologically again, click the refresh button on the upper right or order the page or ctrl-R to reload the page.
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post #73 of 221
10/23/09 at 8:20am


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Originally Posted by benjamink View Post

To get things ordered perfectly chronologically again, click the refresh button on the upper right or order the page or ctrl-R to reload the page.

Funny you mention that, because I can't see the refresh button.  It should be just to the right of the word "settings," right?  I know that because I saw it before...but I don't see it now. 

I tried the Ctrl+R to reload the page...but, of course, the extended list of threads (from clicking "More" disappears.  Click 'More" again and the same anomaly appears. 

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post #74 of 221
10/23/09 at 8:40am


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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon View Post

Funny you mention that, because I can't see the refresh button.  It should be just to the right of the word "settings," right?  I know that because I saw it before...but I don't see it now. 

The refresh button only appears when new content has been written since you opened the stream.  It will automatically appear and disappear accordingly. 
 

 

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post #75 of 221
10/23/09 at 9:24am
I have my page set to subscriptions only and summary is checked. When I first go to the page it shows as expected. Then after visiting one of the threads and I hit back, the home page no longer shows in summary view. I clicked on settings to make sure it was set and indeed it was correct, but it was still displaying individual posts. I'm using IE8 if it makes a difference.

Honestly I can't ever see a need to show every single post on my home page. Perhaps this is useful in an administrator mode, but not for normal users.

Other than being too large and taking up too much vertical space, I prefer the original home page layout. It was very quick and obvious which threads were new and which weren't.

I haven't tried it yet, but does clicking on thread title take you to the first new post or the thread beginning? I only ask because I now see an extra link labled "first new post"? Is this necessary?
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post #76 of 221
10/23/09 at 10:15am
Bill,

The Summary View should remain sticky, and it is for me and most other users across the platform... so I'm wondering if instead of using the back button, try just hitting the home tab and see if you have the setting stick.

Would you mind trying that?
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post #77 of 221
10/23/09 at 10:32am


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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon View Post


 

Ok, I was wondering why the new Home page design only showed that "+" sign feature (to expand out to the most recent few posts) for threads to which I have *not* posted -- and I asked about that a couple times now.

But now, I see that Mike (and others?) actually do get that "+" sign feature for *all* listed threads while I still only get it for threads to which I have not posted.  Is this perhaps an issue for IE6?

BTW, the previously reported javascript error is now gone, so that's apparently not the cause (as I also wondered previously).

_Man_
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post #78 of 221
10/23/09 at 11:32am
It may be an ie6 issue... we should have expansion on all thread updates. thanks for letting us know you're having this issue, we'll investigate.
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post #79 of 221
10/23/09 at 11:54am


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Originally Posted by DavidJ View Post

I can see where the update was a good idea and there are probably some very nice things about it, but I just can't stand my homepage now.  Before the update, it was much simpler and easier to navigate to the subscribed threads I wanted to check.

Never mind...I found the summary setting under settings  Thanks for giving us options.  I like it.
 
Thanks for posting this.  I have been flustered the past day or so trying to get it to look similar to the way it used to do.

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post #80 of 221
10/23/09 at 12:13pm


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Originally Posted by Bill Buklis View Post

I haven't tried it yet, but does clicking on thread title take you to the first new post or the thread beginning? I only ask because I now see an extra link labled "first new post"? Is this necessary?

Because you made me curious, Bill...I tried it.  Clicking on the thread title takes you to the OP of the thread.  You've now GOT to click on the "First New Post" link to get to the first new post. 

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One other observation about this new change.  As of today (not yesterday) when you post to a thread yourself, it bumps that thread to the top of the subscribed thread list.  The last time that activity occurred was in the vbulletin code.  I like that. 

And I also like the fact that the post counter remains the same until you actually visit the thread.  Under vbcode, if there were unread posts in a thread (which you did not check) and you left the HTF, when you came back they were marked read.  Coming back after vacation meant a VERY long computer session just to maake sure I didn't miss any new HTF posts!  Now...no worries.

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post #81 of 221
10/23/09 at 3:00pm

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And I also like the fact that the post counter remains the same until you actually visit the thread.  Under vbcode, if there were unread posts in a thread (which you did not check) and you left the HTF, when you came back they were marked read.  Coming back after vacation meant a VERY long computer session just to maake sure I didn't miss any new HTF posts!  Now...no worries. 

Remembering the state of last read posts thread by thread is definitely one of the strengths of this new platform.

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Because you made me curious, Bill...I tried it.  Clicking on the thread title takes you to the OP of the thread.  You've now GOT to click on the "First New Post" link to get to the first new post.
 

I figured that was the case and I did try it myself soon enough. I think I prefer the old method, but perhaps it is a bit more consistent with the general thread pages now.


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post #82 of 221
10/23/09 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by benjamink View Post

Bill,

The Summary View should remain sticky, and it is for me and most other users across the platform... so I'm wondering if instead of using the back button, try just hitting the home tab and see if you have the setting stick.

Would you mind trying that?
 

The summary view is and was sticky. It was just an anomaly when going "back" a page. Strangely enough it's no longer doing it. Now it's showing the summary view properly when I go "back". Oh, well, never mind.
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post #83 of 221
10/23/09 at 3:04pm
Awesome! Thanks for testing it out.
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post #84 of 221
10/23/09 at 3:36pm
Suggestion for this new home page layout:

Right now the "activity page" is a filter based view where you have to click on selections to "filter out" items. Instead why not make this a tab group layout where each button represents the set you want to see and filters everything else out. Only one tab can be selected at a time. Then include subscriptions as one of the first "tabs" (preferably the first one). At the end have an "All" or "All Items" tab to show everything if anyone is actually interested. Then you don't need the "subscriptions only" option and subscriptions will be given their due prominence while not impacting other items.

Here's a mockup of what it might look like:

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post #85 of 221
10/23/09 at 3:43pm
Interesting idea... we actually have discussed this approach quite a bit and thought that members might want to blend up their own filters rather than do one at a time.

We'll definitely think more about this as we get more and more feedback, thanks for taking time to put together your idea like this. Very helpful.

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post #86 of 221
10/23/09 at 5:35pm
Checking in...

"First new post" is still a hidden, secondary link.

Why in the world would I want to go to the first post of a thread I'm actively reading, every single time there's a new update? Does Huddler think that I need to re-read the entire thread before getting to the new posts? When reading a book, do they start at the beginning every time they pick it up before getting to the next chapter?

I'll check back in a day or two to see if this is fixed.

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post #87 of 221
10/23/09 at 5:41pm
Well, we're definitely on the same wavelength.  Keep a look out early next week.  Because it's never advisable to push any new code Friday evening, we're holding off for the moment...but we're definitely going to be making the "Go to first new post" much more prominent (and keep the functionality to let you nav to first or last post).  That's all I'll say for now, but it's coming!  In the meantime, have a great weekend and thanks for the feedback.

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Originally Posted by DaveF View Post

Checking in...

"First new post" is still a hidden, secondary link.

Why in the world would I want to go to the first post of a thread I'm actively reading, every single time there's a new update? Does Huddler think that I need to re-read the entire thread before getting to the new posts? When reading a book, do they start at the beginning every time they pick it up before getting to the next chapter?

I'll check back in a day or two to see if this is fixed.
 


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post #88 of 221
10/23/09 at 6:40pm
I'm glad to hear it will be fixed. I'm bummed that I have to put off reading HTF for another two or three days. I look forward to the adjustments.
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post #89 of 221
10/23/09 at 7:22pm


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Originally Posted by TonyD View Post


I see this......" getGlobal('userId') > 0) { $gaSetVar = 'logged-in'; } else { $gaSetVar = null; } ?>"
at the bottom of everypage.
and now to the very left of the word quote I see a spinning circle, hmm.
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anyone else see the spinny thing next to the word quote in the post i quoted and took a pic of?
Also the thing is spinning in the quote too.

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post #90 of 221
10/23/09 at 7:25pm
Hmmm...  Some are not able to see/get the "first new post" link consistently -- perhaps, that's an issue related to Firefox? -- while others like me are not getting the "+" sign latest posts expansion feature consistently (except on items/threads to which I haven't posted) -- perhaps, that's an issue related to IE6.

I'm just now noticing that Mike's screen grabs also don't show the "first new post" links most of the time -- and he uses Firefox.

_Man_
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