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Wizard of oz new 2 disc set, is it a new transfer or the old 2005 transfer???

post #1 of 28
10/7/09 at 5:01am
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Anyone know ???
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post #2 of 28
10/7/09 at 5:29am
I have yet to see any reviews of the new SD.  I've been waiting to find out if there is any point to upgrading from the previous 3-disc set.
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post #3 of 28
10/7/09 at 10:02am
I plan to watch my set from 2005 again this weekend.  It was traditional for this movie to come out on TV every fall back in the 60s. So I plan to watch it in memory of my youth.
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post #4 of 28
10/7/09 at 11:04am
Its a new transfer. Done at 8K instead of 4 like the previous dvd.

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post #5 of 28
10/7/09 at 11:38am


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Originally Posted by Lord Dalek View Post

Its a new transfer. Done at 8K instead of 4 like the previous dvd.

 

I suppose I knew that, but I'm still waiting to find out whether there's any appreciable difference on the SD.
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post #6 of 28
10/7/09 at 11:51am


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I suppose I knew that, but I'm still waiting to find out whether there's any appreciable difference on the SD.

Well as you can see in the DVD Beaver comparison here, the colors are a bit less heavy on the yellow and also the film is rediculously sharp now. I mean you can see the individual grains inherent in the stock.

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post #7 of 28
10/7/09 at 12:13pm
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Hmm, I thought the dvd beaver review didnt show the 09 oz dvd,it  just compares the  blu with the 05, and 99 dvd.Are you sure ????
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post #8 of 28
10/7/09 at 5:02pm


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Originally Posted by Lord Dalek View Post




Well as you can see in the DVD Beaver comparison here, the colors are a bit less heavy on the yellow and also the film is rediculously sharp now. I mean you can see the individual grains inherent in the stock.

 


Yes, I get the fact that the BR looks good.  For the price, it darn well better.  That still doesn't tell me squat about how this latest SD compares to the '05.

My expectation is that they'll look similar.  The elements are the same and they should be using the same color correction tables, but it would be nice to get some confirmation for the other 90% of the disc buying public.
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post #9 of 28
10/7/09 at 8:01pm
I can confirm that the transfer is new. I did a comparison and the 2009 version is quite a bit sharper.   
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post #10 of 28
10/7/09 at 11:33pm
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Thanks Kathy, its amazing I couldnt find confirmation of this anywhere on the internet.So im guessing, this is just a downscaled version of the new blu ray transfer.
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post #11 of 28
10/8/09 at 8:15pm
Tony, I checked the internet for weeks trying to confirm whether the 2009 release was a new transfer or not. Couldn't find out there. I have a friend who is a WOOz fanatic, and he called Warner to find out and they didn't even know. So he emailed John Fricke, the historian who did the commentary for the release, and he said it was his understanding that it was a new transfer. So he bought the new release and he and I compared them together. The most impressing part, to me, was the beginning sepia-toned part. Very sharp with a 3d effect. I believe it is a downscaled version of the blu ray transfer. There was so much hype about the blu ray that no one cared to compare the dvd releases against each other. 
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post #12 of 28
10/9/09 at 4:37am
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Kathy, thats interesting.Thanks for sharing that.
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post #13 of 28
10/16/09 at 2:13pm
Question On the Amazon site there is a sound bite from an alternate audio take of If I only had a brain. I can not find it on the disc anywhere unless I  missed it. Does anyone know where this is located. I am hoping it is not a Blue disc only extra.
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post #14 of 28
10/20/09 at 9:04am
For whatever it's worth, I'm bitterly disappointed in the new SD Wizard of Oz.  It is noticeably sharper, as well as more stable... and the image does seem to have more depth.  Then why don't I like it?  Because it is so dark that the blacks are crushed... forcing me to adjust my carefully calibrated TV to be able to watch the disc... and the opening sepia (always problematic for this movie... as WHV simply doesn't believe in the "less is more" concept) is not only more saturated than it ever has been before, but it is also slightly greenish (fortunately this doesn't carry over into the technicolor portion).  Very frustrating as this SD set is in some ways an improvement over the last release, but in other significant ways it is a come down.  I suspect that the new transfer doesn't exhibit the same problems on Blu-Ray as it does in SD... but I don't know.
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post #15 of 28
10/20/09 at 11:38am
I think I'll just stick with my '05.  I like the movie well enough, but it just seems like diminishing returns anymore.  For each minor improvement, something else gets broken.  Frankly every DVD version released kicks the ever-living crap out of the broadcast versions I watched as a child.  I think I've finally reached a point of "good enough" on this one.  Plus, and it may just be me, Warner's SD versions of what are really Blu Ray remasters have really been lackluster.  I don't know what is going on over there, but it's as if little or no attention to the SD is being paid.  Master for the Blu and then downrez for the SD, but nobody is following up on it and checking to see if it even looks any good.
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post #16 of 28
10/20/09 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by mdnitoil View Post

Plus, and it may just be me, Warner's SD versions of what are really Blu Ray remasters have really been lackluster.  I don't know what is going on over there, but it's as if little or no attention to the SD is being paid.  Master for the Blu and then downrez for the SD, but nobody is following up on it and checking to see if it even looks any good.

I haven't seen too many SD downscales since Blu has come to prominence, but it seems logical this might happen. Standard releases are, of course, being given the sidecar treatment now that the focus is on HD.

It doesn't seem like a widespread issue, but I've been quite cognizant of just such an occurance due to the attention shift. Hopefully titles going to both formats - especially those new-to-disc - will be given equal care, as it seems they mostly are, so long as DVD remains an option.

And I too think the three-disc '05 WOZ is good enough.
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post #17 of 28
10/20/09 at 7:54pm
Not to mention the digital glitch in Munchkinland. Head over to the High Definition Software forum to see what we are talking about and an example. If this isn't how it is supposed to be, then WB needs to fix it...We've bought this movie over and over and it is the least they can do.
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post #18 of 28
10/20/09 at 10:11pm
I'm eventually going to get the blu-ray (probably one of the no-frills editions unless someone surprises me with the box for Christmas), but if it were just a matter of upgrading the DVD- I'd probably just stick with my '05 edition, like others have said. Different story for those who never purchased the '05 DVD, tho.

I've read that the '05 DVD had some grain removal applied (?) That would probably explain some of the increase in sharpness for this new DVD.
Edited by MielR - 10/20/09 at 11:15pm
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post #19 of 28
10/26/09 at 8:21am
I need to back-pedal a bit on my recent condemnation of the new SD edition of Wizard.  I still maintain that the sepia in the opening sequence (and closing) is too saturated (and it does have a very slight greenish tint not in evidence on the 2005 edition); but upon re-watching the movie from beginning to end over the weekend I think I overstated the "crushed blacks" issue.  There are moments in the beginning that are too dark, but overall I think the black levels are good.  While I still think this set should have looked better--and the differences between this edition and the 2005 are minor--I think the '09 will be my disc of choice from now on (at least until I upgrade to Blu-Ray... assuming I ever do upgrade to Blu-Ray).  I think anyone sticking with the '05 is in good shape, but if you do purchase the newest disc I think it would be a minor upgrade.
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post #20 of 28
10/26/09 at 9:51am
Thanks for the re-assessment.  I'll still be sticking with my '05.  Anymore, for as little as I watch this movie, there's just no point to sinking more money into it.  I'm anticipating the same with Gone With the Wind as well.  On the SD side, the only thing I'm really holding out for is the North by Northwest.  That looks to be a nice upgrade.
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post #21 of 28
1/7/10 at 9:57pm
Curious, is the design layout and main/top menu for this newer release the same as the 2005 one or does it not have one at all like the blu-ray version? I plan on picking this up tomorrow for 8 bucks.
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post #22 of 28
1/7/10 at 11:46pm
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Menus are the same as the 2005 version.Wish I didnt buy it , because just a few weeks later, i got a blu ray player, and double dipped buying the blu ray version !!
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post #23 of 28
1/8/10 at 12:22am
Thanks! I was gonna get the blu-ray, because I now have a blu player, but I HATE DVDs without menus and because of that, I refuse to buy any Warner blu-ray discs unless it has menus. I hate when DVD's start right away when you put in the disc, I brings me back to the days of VHS.

The newer transfer is good enough on the DVD, I dont really see that big of  difference myself on the blu-ray for this release.
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post #24 of 28
1/8/10 at 3:33pm
Just curious, Brandon:  I assume you haven't yet seen THE WIZARD OF OZ on Blu-ray, thus your question about the menu.  However, your last statement was that you don't see "that big of a difference ... on the blu-ray" compared to the DVD.  How can you tell, if you don't have the Blu-ray yet?  (BTW, if you don't have an HD TV, you won't see any difference between DVD and Blu-ray; if you DO have an HD TV but only a small one, you might not see much difference.)
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post #25 of 28
1/9/10 at 10:16pm
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I only have a 22' HDTV,  and I see a huge diffrence in picture quality, on this title .Ive even compared it to the new dvd version, that I own.Its a big mistake to be judging the blu ray of oz, by looking at screenshots of it on net.You cant tell how good it is, till you see it for yourself in motion.Just watch the opening minutes in munchkinland on the new  dvd, then watch that same scene on blu ray.The diffrence is huge.
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post #26 of 28
1/10/10 at 1:36pm

No, I have seen it on Blu, borrowed it. I had no idea about Warner leaving menus off of their Blu releases until I saw Oz on blu-ray and then found a lot of backlash in regards to Warner and their blu-ray releases online, when I thought there was something wrong with my player when the menu didnt come up.

But yea, I shouldn’t have said that, I definitely do see a difference, but I was happy enough with the DVD enough that it didn’t matter too much to me. It was much more vibrant and clear when you compare it, but the DVD is still arguably the best transfer yet, so that will suffice. And like I said, I cant stand that it doesn’t have a main menu, so I’ll keep the DVD and wont be upgrading any of my Warner DVD’s that I was thinking of upgrading if they keep down that route.
 

Menus are one of my favourite things about DVDs

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post #27 of 28
1/10/10 at 2:36pm
Sorry to go off-topic here, but Brandon, you keep bringing up this menu issue and I just don't get it. As far as I know all blu-ray disc have menus they are just different than DVDs. The menus are accessed and come up onscreen while the movie continues to play. Most everyone I know thinks that this level of interactivity is pretty cool. You can navigate around looking at what is on the disc without ever leaving the movie.
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post #28 of 28
1/10/10 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by Mark-P View Post

Sorry to go off-topic here, but Brandon, you keep bringing up this menu issue and I just don't get it. As far as I know all blu-ray disc have menus they are just different than DVDs. The menus are accessed and come up onscreen while the movie continues to play. Most everyone I know thinks that this level of interactivity is pretty cool. You can navigate around looking at what is on the disc without ever leaving the movie.


Not to speak for him but I think he means that it does not go directly to the menu. Most Warners Blu-rays go directly to the movie when you put the disc in.

While I prefer the disc go the menu (since it's by far the norm), I certainly can't imagine that it would stop me from purchasing a movie that I wanted.
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