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post #31 of 85

Out of the 5 titles included in this rumored set, I had 4 and, after reading this announcement just now, I initiated "proceedings" to get the one I was missing - THE MAD GHOUL (1943) - and it should be here in a matter of hours

In any case, I was already planning to watch THE STRANGE CASE OF DR. RX (1942) and HOUSE OF HORRORS (1946; which I just got last week in the same fashion I inferred above) for the upcoming Halloween marathon and, thankfully, these will now be joined by THE MAD GHOUL, too.

There was a time, a couple of years back, when I would have jumped on such a collection likes flies on shit but, perhaps sensibly, I've cut down on my reckless DVD purchasing habit and transferred that "fix" to another format!  

The same applies to the new Warners "Karloff & Lugosi" set: I 've had all 4 movies therein for a few years now and, although I will miss the 2 Audio Commetaries, it's also true that I haven't listened to one in years
 

post #32 of 85
Mario, this is not a "rumored set" :

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post #33 of 85
It is until we can actually order it!

Which we still can't!
post #34 of 85
And its going to be close to $70 for us poor folks in the UK, thanks to Customs!
post #35 of 85
Don;t forget the shipping charge

That's $6.50 per order plus $6 per item (and if we get really unlucky, they'll count this as five items; hopefuly, they'll be like Amazon and treat boxsets as single items, but I'm not betting on it!)

So you're looking at anywhere between $60 and $80

The customs charge (VAT, we can ignore Duty) is roughly 15% of the item value plus the shipping, and then there will be at least £8 on top for the "handling charge"

For UK customers, the $50 set will cost about $100
post #36 of 85
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Don;t forget the shipping charge

That's $6.50 per order plus $6 per item (and if we get really unlucky, they'll count this as five items; hopefuly, they'll be like Amazon and treat boxsets as single items, but I'm not betting on it!)

So you're looking at anywhere between $60 and $80

The customs charge (VAT, we can ignore Duty) is roughly 15% of the item value plus the shipping, and then there will be at least £8 on top for the "handling charge"

For UK customers, the $50 set will cost about $100
 

Not that Mongo would get that...whoops, wrong forum!
post #37 of 85
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Mario, this is not a "rumored set" :

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Thanks for that info, Joe! Well, at least, those covers look very nice...but WHY ON EARTH are they making them single discs? Don't they know the films are barely 60 ninutes long each?!
post #38 of 85
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Originally Posted by Mario Gauci View Post

Thanks for that info, Joe! Well, at least, those covers look very nice...but WHY ON EARTH are they making them single discs? Don't they know the films are barely 60 ninutes long each?!
 

Well, Mario, it's just another case of a no-win situation. Some fans were complaining that they were "forced to buy the whole set", even though they wanted just certain titles. Now, here is their opportunity to pick just the specific titles they want. But if they purchase titles individually they are priced at $19.99 each, at least according to MOVIES UNLIMITED. 

EDITED TO ADD: Now it's being reported that neither Movies Unlimited nor TCM is listing these anymore. I don't know what this means, but I certainly hope that Universal didn't get fed up and have abandoned this release only because we had some people who were negative on it. If they don't want to buy it now they can wait until it's cheaper, or not buy it at all; but there are many of us Universal fans who are eager to get everything.
Edited by Joe Karlosi - 9/27/09 at 6:55pm
post #39 of 85
I wonder if there's not a box set but just a discount bundle of the lot. That may explain why the collection itself is no longer there.

It's all that Weaver's fault I tells ya!!!
post #40 of 85
I seriously doubt that Universal is staffed by the kind of sensitive souls who would run scared from a handful of (justifiably) critical comments on a few web boards.
James' theory sounds like it might be closer to the mark.
post #41 of 85
 I would think that to make the street date, these discs and boxes must have been printed and pressed sometime ago, so I don't think cancelling these films is even remotely possible....even with negative message board comments.
post #42 of 85
Where did it go? The link is dead.

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From the TCM site:

turnerclassic.moviesunlimited.com/product.asp



 

Universal Cult Horrors Collection

Now Accepting Advance Orders!
Five-disc set includes "Murders in the Zoo," "The Mad Doctor of Market Street," "The Strange Case of Doctor Rx," "The Mad Ghoul," and "House of Horrors."
Available: 10/15/2009

Edited by gunthertoody - 9/28/09 at 7:16am
post #43 of 85
I am not sure about the Pressed vs DVD-R?  I thought TCM was starting up doing what Warner Archives is doing hence the prices?  But I see even now the individual titles have been removed from Movies Unlimited.  So what is the status... has anyone contacted TCM, MU, or Universal?

Eric


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post #44 of 85
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I still have the Island of Lost Souls LD and it was and is still one bad transfer.  I would guess that a lot of work is needed on the print.  I also would surmise that the original negative does not exist.
 

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From what I've read, the film elements are in really sad shape.
 


This is how Glenn Erickson explained the situation of the pre-1948 Paramount sound films in his review of The Marx Bros. Silver Screen Collection:

 

"The story I was told, by a frustrated Universal film transfer producer, is that Paramount simply hired an outside company to make new duplicate negatives for all the features to go to Universal. For each nitrate title in their library, a couple of new printing negatives were made in a process not far removed from a "one setting fits all" assembly line. The sources for the new safety negatives weren't carefully chosen.
 

In most cases these cheap dupes are all that has survived. All the printing materials that might have existed, including alternate versions, odds and ends and copies that might be in better condition, were destroyed in a massive house-cleaning, recycled for the cellulose nitrate or just dumped.
 

For the average Paramount picture, attempts at restoration can be stymied when the only existing dupe negative has flaws, or is just too dark, or the audio sounds distorted or dupey. And there's nothing else. Hard digital work can pep these materials up for video presentations, but an awful lot of these films just can't be reconstructed for decent theatrical showings."

So unless there is a nitrate print sitting on a shelf in some archive, IoLS may never look as good as it did originally.

I'm glad I recorded it off of AMC back in the early '90s, and transferred it to DVD-R last year.  I even managed to catch the trailer before the film. 

post #45 of 85
The real story is that Paramount didn't do this, MCA did when they bought the Paramount package.  They made one-light fine grains of everything and junked the camera negs.  Paramount had prints still of all of their films into the '60s and donated them to UCLA.  The nitrate on ISLAND OF LOST SOULS is what the MCA video transfer from 20 years ago was made from.  That print is unusable now.
post #46 of 85
So are there any usable film elements left for Island of Lost Souls?
post #47 of 85
Probably not.  Even the UCLA/Paramount print was not suitable enough to yield a very clean transfer.  It's not a lost film, but it falls into that "half-lost" category.
post #48 of 85

It's disheartening to think that, barring the discovery of better elements, what we got back in the '80s may be it for this film.

post #49 of 85
TBH, the brief clip of Island of Lost Souls I saw on Universal Horrors (the documentary) looked ok to me, especially since it will probably end up part of a box set anyway. And besides, if Universal was that bothered about quality, why the pan and scan Deadly Mantis?
post #50 of 85
[quote] It's disheartening to think that, barring the discovery of better elements, what we got back in the '80s may be it for this film.[/quote]


Even sadder is I think that the original master may have gone up in last year's fire.

post #51 of 85
If this is available to me in Canada, I'll spend the extra money to get it.  I would much prefer a proper release instead of an exclusive though.  :(
post #52 of 85
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If this is available to me in Canada, I'll spend the extra money to get it.  I would much prefer a proper release instead of an exclusive though.  :(
 

Available in Canada?  Heck we are not even sure this will is going to be available in the US.
post #53 of 85
All save one have been pulled from the TCM site now.

I rather suspect that someone there screwed up, and that no hint of these was supposed to appear until very shortly, or even on, the day of release. And that Universal are very unhappy that someone let the cat out of the bag.
post #54 of 85

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The real story is that Paramount didn't do this, MCA did when they bought the Paramount package.  They made one-light fine grains of everything and junked the camera negs.  Paramount had prints still of all of their films into the '60s and donated them to UCLA.  The nitrate on ISLAND OF LOST SOULS is what the MCA video transfer from 20 years ago was made from.  That print is unusable now.

Is it possible to utilize the old VHS/laserdisc transfer?  While it wouldn't yield the most satisfactory results, it would be better than nothing.  I think Universal originally used their old video transfers for the old '01 double feature DVDs and, while they didn't look that great, they didn't look that bad either.  They could also, perhaps, include a little featurette explaining the state of the elements for Island of Lost Souls.  (Of course, even if they did this, there would STILL be people bitching and complaining on the message boards.  Given that the market for old movies is so small in general, and that there is so much bitching about studio decisions on message boards, I sometimes worry one of these days the studios are just gonna throw their hands up in frustration and forget about old movies altogether, outside of mainstays like GWTW).
 
post #55 of 85
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TBH, the brief clip of Island of Lost Souls I saw on Universal Horrors (the documentary) looked ok to me, especially since it will probably end up part of a box set anyway. And besides, if Universal was that bothered about quality, why the pan and scan Deadly Mantis?

P&S Deadly Mantis? Wasn't it just open-matte?
post #56 of 85
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P&S Deadly Mantis? Wasn't it just open-matte?

No, its very badly zoomed in. See here - http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/277904/req-bride-of-the-monster-legends-screencaps-required/30#post_3455514
post #57 of 85

Do all of the arguments regarding lost elements and whatnot for ISLAND OF LOST SOULS also apply to THE UNINVITED, the other of the most of-requested classic Universal horrors?

 

If those two could be released, plus CAT AND THE CANARY (1939, Bob Hope) and FIVE GRAVES TO CAIRO, I would personally consider my Universal classics collection complete.

So close, yet so far away....

post #58 of 85
Fortunately, I think THE UNINVITED was spared this problem.  Universal has a new repertory print on it that looks very good.

CAT AND THE CANARY has rights issues aside from the film itself that have to be sorted out before it hits DVD (in other words, don't hold your breath).
post #59 of 85
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Fortunately, I think THE UNINVITED was spared this problem.  Universal has a new repertory print on it that looks very good.

CAT AND THE CANARY has rights issues aside from the film itself that have to be sorted out before it hits DVD (in other words, don't hold your breath).
 

I agree with you on THE UNINVITED elements.  I heard the same feedback you did concerning a recent showing of a newly struck print and it was said to be exceptional.  Also it is one of the better lasserdiscs that I have from that era.

I do wish they could straighten out the CAT AND THE CANARY issues, but not sure what the motivation would be now.
post #60 of 85
What a way to run a business! So are these DVDs being released or not?
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