Flash Forward - season 1 - Page 10

Yes; it was established this episode that it worked. I was noting that there is this concurrent desire to fulfill and prevent the future, even by Noh himself. It's an interesting dynamic.

To the best of my knowledge, we only know that it "worked" because Janis said she is pregnant.  How much can we now actually believe about her?  Is her FF even true?

In Dimitri's case I think it is more a matter of having a plan "B".  His primary goal is not to end up dead.  But since he is dead in the world where Janice is pregnant, it can't hurt to try to impregnate her, and leave some part of himself, some proof of his existance, behind. 

Benford is actually in a more ambiguous position.  His flash forward - and those associated with it - suggest that he is getting close to whoever is behind the Blackout and that Mosaic is important.  He wants that outcome, he needs it.  But he doesn't want to pay the price. 

Regards,

Joe

I just thought new viewers would at least rent the DVDs, and then when caught up, would follow the show on ABC when it came back. 

And I also agree, that Thursdays should not be the night to launch new shows.

Quote: To this point, I think everything she's said is true.

To pull back the curtain, I think that even the showrunner didn't know she was a mole until late in the plotting. It feels like a bolt-on. Why would her own people try to kill her if she is the best-placed mole they've got?

And her dialog, her actions, everything has clearly been that of a woman driven to have a child. That's beyond maintaining a fictional flash forward for sake of her cover story: this is a woman who saw a tremendous future and is working to actualize it.

Also, there is the point that we saw her having the ultrasound from her POV, making it unlikely that it is something she is lying about.

I hope they explain that.  It doesn't seem to make sense unless she was just deeper placed and whoever ordered that hit wasn't high enough in the organization to know. 

One more thing about the last episode that bothered me - there was no follow-up with the guy on the motorcycle.  I would have thought they would have mentioned something about how they attempted to ID the guy, or that the body was shipped away.  Whoever it is would be some sort of clue.

There's also the possibility that Dyson Frost is the one who recruited Marcy and Janis (if I recall, Janis said something like a man contacted them and ask them if they wanted to change the world), and that he is at odds with the rest of the antagonists (wow, still no name for these folks--Simon Campos, Flosso, and the rest of the guys who were awake).  Everything seems to point to him being on the same side as those guys, but it seems there's more to it than that.

Wow...did the few left watching this abandon ship?  Or was everyone watching Avatar Thursday night?  Probably the most exciting episode so far, but now there are a LOT more questions to be answered.

Good episode. My wife noted it was a brassy way to set your show up for a six-year run :)
Since I'm currently reading the Ender's Game series, I liked the flash to "Ansible Theory" on Frost's blackboard.

I thought how Frost booby trapped the chair Noh's was strapped to was a clever trick I didn't see coming. I'm referring to when Mark pulled Noh off the chair, I was surprised the sprinklers came on to wash the chalk board off. Of course, no one but a James Bond style villain would create such an outlandish chalk board on a full wall to map out the flashes. 

I'm disappointed that Mark and Olivia seem to be separating. But it could be a self fulfilling thing.

I'm still a little confused about Janis. She was revealed to be the real mole by Simon at the end of the episode they sniffed out the other mole?

   Quote: She is a second mole, apparently also working for the people who hired Frost and engineered the blackout - for some as yet undetermined reason.  I'm guessing that since they want the QED devices that let people move about, they have something complicated planned while everyone else is out on the next blackout.  As for Janis, we don't know what her current instructions are.

Unfortunately, we are just going to get this one year.  Even though I know it is quite different, I am going to have to read the original Flash Forward book.

How did Alda know where Frost was going to meet Mark?  At least her little bit of information (though she knew loads more) helped Mark find Demetri.  The people who hired her definitely had a lot of power to be able to arrange for her escape in time and make sure no one could follow her.

Thanks Neil, for clearing that up for me about Janis. It just seems odd that if she's one of the "Bad" guys, why she got together with Noh. Perhaps she is conflicted as she didn't expect her flash forward.

I guess they dropped the who plot about the Japanese girl and the doc. And the storyline with Mark's AA sponsor's secret mission status is still unknown.

I'm guessing all these little bits that have come up are going to be tied together in future episodes or left unresolved. Could be due to them changing the events of the timeline.

    Quote: I do expect that she is conflicted.

The last episode was March 15 and it would have been a mistake if they had gone to any of the other plotlines.  It just made good sense to concentrate on resolving this one.  I'm sure we'll see more of the other ones soon enough.

Good point they needed to resolve Noh's plotline.

I thought it was a little surprising that Mark didn't whip out his phone and snap off a quick picture or two when the water started to erase Frost's chalkboard map.

    Quote: That was a slight surprise, but understandable.  He was completely emotionally exhausted at the time and I can believe he missed the opportunity.

What annoyed me most about that (otherwise quite decent) episode was that neither Mark nor Demetri thought to put something in between Demetri and the gun to take the bullet - there looked to me like there were plenty of things in the room they could have used for shielding.

????  They both thought of it.  The problem is, Dyson Frost thought of it first.  Mark suggested exactly this idea and Demitri immediately warned him that Frost's boobytraps included one that would fire the gun if Mark attempted to put anything between Demitri and the bullet.  That's why Mark stayed mostly behind the gun assembly and away from the space in between Noh and the gun. 

Regards,

Joe

Yup.  The dialogue was slightly quiet when Mark mentioned it (at least on my feed), but it was definitely said.  Although, I'm not sure that it still wouldn't be possible to do it--but obviously they weren't taking any chances with Demitri's life at stake.

I am still here.

This was the best episode thus far for the show, but
all in all, I'm just viewing the show to get to the end of it.

In other words, the first half of the season was pretty
poor.  The retool (which was necessary) added some
spunk to the story and the show has been somewhat
better in recent weeks.

However, I still have a very empty feeling about this
show.  I don't really care about any of the characters
and the story really hasn't been that intriguing.  I think
that Joseph Fiennes has given a very wooden performance
with the same sulken look on his face show after show.

Deep down inside I hope the show ends this year so I
can move on to something else.  As I said, I just invested
so much time into this thing already so I want to see it
through -- but it's not a great show by any means. 

Ron:

Rather than "quote" your entire post, I'll just say, "ditto!"

A-ha, I must have missed that.  I thought that the boobytraps were only around the chair.  The floor between them (where Frost was roaming about) seemed clear to me, other than the cable from the chair to the gun rig. :-)

I don't think Frost activated all this little toys until he was leaving.  Remember, he was seated in the crazy section, not the stupid section. 

Joe

Can you remember from your flash forward if you saw it on Apr 29th, (which is tomorrow, so we should be up to date with the flash forward).  Except they don't seem to be doing that, since the last episode was only March 15th.

Yeah, after all the build-up about the April 29th episode, I was disappointed that they didn't follow-through.  Possibly because of the hiatus?  A couple interesting twists in this episode...but again, no comments two days later in this thread.  I found it kind of ironic that they are promoting "Happy Town" (with its own abysmal ratings) during "FlashForward".  Isn't that "the blind leading the blind" as my Mom used to say?

If the ratings are that bad I would bet that the show is about
to end for good.

It is wasn't for the hiatus they could have timed it so that in the show it would have been April 29 on April 29.  I think that was a missed opportunity.  Still, I was pleased to see that our mole was a double agent. 

With 4 episodes left and it still being mid to late March in the show's timeline, it seems like the finale is going to be set on or close to April 29. So hiatus or not, they weren't going to air the April 29 episode on the real April 29.