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post #31 of 48
9/28/09 at 11:56am

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Originally Posted by Bryan^H View Post

Generations really isn't as bad as all that .  Just to see the two captains acting together is classic.  It's not my favorite, but it sure as heck isn't my least favorite.

Hey Bryan-

There are fun bits and a nice sequence where the Enterprise crashes. But I just didn't care for how the writers handled Kirk and why they did what they did to him. I prefer to think it didn't happen.
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post #32 of 48
9/28/09 at 2:17pm
My biggest problem with Generations is that the writers make Picard an idiot in the last quarter of the film (from the moment he enters the Nexus). He is given an opportunity to go back to any point in time and he picks the battle with Soren? Really? If I had been him, I would have gone back far enough to save my brother and nephew from dying in the accident and then zoomed over to the Armagosa station to pick up Soren and the Klingons before they could kill anybody. Of course, then we wouldn't have the big Kirk fight scene (although Picard could still have brought Kirk back and re-introduced him to the similarly temporally-displaced Scotty).

But for three quarters of the movie, it's pretty entertaining.
 
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post #33 of 48
9/28/09 at 2:37pm


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Originally Posted by Ensign Eddie View Post

My biggest problem with Generations is that the writers make Picard an idiot in the last quarter of the film (from the moment he enters the Nexus). He is given an opportunity to go back to any point in time and he picks the battle with Soren? Really? If I had been him, I would have gone back far enough to save my brother and nephew from dying in the accident and then zoomed over to the Armagosa station to pick up Soren and the Klingons before they could kill anybody. Of course, then we wouldn't have the big Kirk fight scene (although Picard could still have brought Kirk back and re-introduced him to the similarly temporally-displaced Scotty).

 

I'm the last one to defend the script of Generations, but . . .

None of that behavior would be consistent with the Picard who'd experienced "Tapestry" in season 6 of TNG.
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post #34 of 48
9/28/09 at 3:50pm
Blu-ray.com reviewed the set and their reviewer was not impressed with the visual quality of the set save Nemesis. I have not seen the discs myself but I think I will hold off. For whatever reason, Generations has always had a lousy transfer. Perhaps I'm making an unfounded conclusion, but the vibe I get is that these transfers are old ones. Merely reproduced on a higher resolution format. I passed on the first box set and will pass on this one. The TOS sets, however, are wonderful.
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post #35 of 48
9/28/09 at 3:58pm


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I'm the last one to defend the script of Generations, but . . .

None of that behavior would be consistent with the Picard who'd experienced "Tapestry" in season 6 of TNG.
 


I can't see how they are in any way analogous. In "Tapestry", Picard is making decisions about his own life. In "Generations", the stakes are the lives of everyone in two star systems (plus his brother and nephew).

 

Besides, in the movie he does decide to go back in time to stop Soren. So it could be argued that he has already passed that particular moral threshold.

But this kind of discussion is exactly why a writer giving a "godbox" to a character is a bad idea. There is almost no way that any resolution to the story can't be second-guessed.

(I guess I won't even mention the ludicrousnes of a rocket taking off from a planet and hitting the planet's sun in about 10 seconds  )
 

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post #36 of 48
9/28/09 at 9:27pm
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Originally Posted by Ensign Eddie View Post

(I guess I won't even mention the ludicrousnes of a rocket taking off from a planet and hitting the planet's sun in about 10 seconds  )
 


If it has a warp drive, that's perfectly reasonable. ;)
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post #37 of 48
9/28/09 at 9:29pm
I was most anxious to hear about how Generations looked, as both previous DVD release's video quality were unmitigated disasters.  It looked like it had been scanned at a higher resolution then downconverted without any sort of filter (i.e. as if they just tossed out every other scanline without any other processing).

It sounds like at least that problem was fixed.

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post #38 of 48
9/28/09 at 9:44pm


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Originally Posted by John Alderson View Post

I was most anxious to hear about how Generations looked, as both previous DVD release's video quality were unmitigated disasters.  It looked like it had been scanned at a higher resolution then downconverted without any sort of filter (i.e. as if they just tossed out every other scanline without any other processing).

It sounds like at least that problem was fixed.
 

Pontificating aside, I think this transfer of "Generations" is the best it has ever looked on video. Of course, I believe that about all of the Star Trek movie BDs. I'm not sorry that I bought either set.
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post #39 of 48
9/28/09 at 10:35pm


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Originally Posted by Ensign Eddie View Post

I can't see how they are in any way analogous. In "Tapestry", Picard is making decisions about his own life. In "Generations", the stakes are the lives of everyone in two star systems (plus his brother and nephew).

 

Besides, in the movie he does decide to go back in time to stop Soren. So it could be argued that he has already passed that particular moral threshold.
 

There are logical answers, but I've sworn off debating the logic of any popular fantasy series, including Star Trek. Life is too short.

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post #40 of 48
9/29/09 at 5:39am
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Originally Posted by Ensign Eddie View Post

Pontificating aside, I think this transfer of "Generations" is the best it has ever looked on video.

I mostly agree. I did notice some shimmer on the neck of the Enterprise-B as she left spacedock that I don't recall seeing previously. On the other hand, I'm also only watching on a 720p display at the moment, so I can't guarantee it's not a downconversion artifact.
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post #41 of 48
10/1/09 at 7:31pm
[My biggest problem with Generations is that the writers make Picard an idiot in the last quarter of the film (from the moment he enters the Nexus)]
If the Nexus were anywhere near as good as they were suggesting, I find it hard to believe that either Picard or Kirk would have wanted to leave it in the first place. Soren was at the point where he could kill millions upon millions of people without batting an eye, just to get back.
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post #42 of 48
10/1/09 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by Derek_J View Post

If the Nexus were anywhere near as good as they were suggesting, I find it hard to believe that either Picard or Kirk would have wanted to leave it in the first place. Soren was at the point where he could kill millions upon millions of people without batting an eye, just to get back.

That's why they're the captains of the Enterprises, while Soren's the villain.
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post #43 of 48
10/1/09 at 10:25pm
Even forgetting about Soren, it still seems difficult to believe. Guinan said Picard would never want to leave, which makes more sense. (And yes, I realize it wouldn't have worked for the film if they had stayed in the Nexus.)
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post #44 of 48
10/2/09 at 11:10am


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Originally Posted by Nelson Au View Post



Hey Bryan-

There are fun bits and a nice sequence where the Enterprise crashes. But I just didn't care for how the writers handled Kirk and why they did what they did to him. I prefer to think it didn't happen.

Yeah,  Kirk I feel deserved his own movie with lots of drama, action, and backstory.  In Generations we just get snippets of who Kirk is, but I guess that's what the novels are for.
It's mainly a Next Generation movie, with a hint of the original crew to ease the gap into the next chapter of Star Trek movies.

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post #45 of 48
10/2/09 at 7:09pm

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Originally Posted by BrettV View Post

anybody notice that these blu-rays seem physically thinner then most others? Very bendable ... not that I'm bending them or anything.
 

Hmmm...  Nobody else seems to have picked up on this comment.  But I do find this interesting myself as I had long been wondering if BD discs had gotten too brittle for the rental-by-mail business model (eg. Netflix, Blockbuster Online).  I've found BD rentals to have had an alarming rate of cracked discs myself -- and at least a couple other renters on HTF seem to have noticed also.

If I understood correctly, the reason they're so brittle/hard is due to the extra protective layer designed to help prevent scratches, etc. probably(?) something that was highly requested by the rental businesses themselves, if nobody else.  But it apparently backfired w/ the unforseen bad side-effect of cracked discs because they no longer yield/flex enough to handle the rough treatment of being shipped/handled via snail mail in those flimsy paper mailers.

Well, ok, that's been my personal suspicion/speculation on the matter for some time now anyway though few, if any, seems to ever follow/pick up on my comments on this subject.

Anyway, if true, maybe they're now looking into finding a better compromise to yield more durable discs, and the more flexible discs in this BD batch/release may be one step in that direction...

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Originally Posted by AaronMK View Post

The only one of these I have decided to pick up for now is First Contact.  I watched most of it last night, and I am very happy with the quality.  Spot checking against the two disc DVD edition, they have definitely done dirt and scratch removal, though done right, that can be a good thing.  In general, it does have a cleaned up look to it, and I don't really detect that "layer of film grain".  That being said, there is a lot of detail, and no real signs that it is of the EE or artificial variety.  Aside from prosthetics, I don't get any waxy impressions either.  If someone told me that this is what the digital intermediate looked like, I'd believe them.

So for First Contact at least, pick it up and enjoy it, because there are no real signs of foul play, and it looks great.
 

That's good to hear as First Contact is really the only title in that batch that interests me.  But sounds like there some mixed reports about the PQ though, eg. the Blu-ray.com review mentioned later by another poster.

_Man_

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post #46 of 48
10/3/09 at 9:01am
What do the covers for each individual title look like?  I'm just wondering since the TOS box set had individual shots of each crewmember, but in the case of TNG, there weren't enough movies to take that approach.
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post #47 of 48
10/3/09 at 9:05am
There may not be enough movies for that method----but they used it anyway.

The five male regulars are featured on the covers in the exact same photo type as the TOS movies.
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post #48 of 48
10/3/09 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by Camper View Post

There may not be enough movies for that method----but they used it anyway.

The five male regulars are featured on the covers in the exact same photo type as the TOS movies.

At least Gates McFadden was pictured on the back of one of the movies (Insurrection). Marina Sirtis--who actually contributed to these new editions with a commentary--is nowhere to be found.
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