Fringe - Season 2 - Page 9

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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino 

 

 

My guess is, "No.".  Even if they had been totally destroyed in the alternate world, that would be a matter of historical fact to them, not a mystery for the Fringe team to investigate.  I think the reference is to Walter's Human 1.0 theory, which is probably shared by Walternate:  Humans once generally possessed and could control powers like telekinesis and telepathy, but aliens interfered with us to make us less dangerous.

That's true.  The title sequence was the same except "Parallel Universe" was replaced with "First People."  This might be the seed for a future story arc.

Oh, and just allow me to make the easiest prediction in the world for next week:  At some point the Earth-1 Olivia will try to pose as her red-headed counterpart, but she'll be tripped up when someone offers her a drink and she takes it.   No other reason for Olivia-2 to make such a point of not liking the taste of alcohol.

Regards,

Joe

If I was dating Olivia-1, I'd have her pose as the redhead just for fun. 

Hah, I immediately thought the same thing, Joe.  Olivia and Frank will cross paths, she'll try to pretend to be the alt-Olivia, and offer him a drink or something, taking one herself.

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Originally Posted by Josh Dial 

Hah, I immediately thought the same thing, Joe.  Olivia and Frank will cross paths, she'll try to pretend to be the alt-Olivia, and offer him a drink or something, taking one herself.

No drink, but a tremendous cliffhanger.

The one problem I had was how they were able to crossover with Bolivia (I think was the closed caption id for her).  Maybe she was given some device that made it possible, since of course she hadn't undergone the experiments that Olivia had. I knew right away that it couldn't be our Olivia - she just didn't behave right.  Now I need to check that "extra scene" over at the FOX site.

It is a new scene of Walternate and Peter.

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Originally Posted by Josh Dial 

Hah, I immediately thought the same thing, Joe.  Olivia and Frank will cross paths, she'll try to pretend to be the alt-Olivia, and offer him a drink or something, taking one herself.

Looks like Joe and I were wrong!  My guess now is a reversal of the theory, where Bolivia's dislike of alcohol will tip off Peter or Walter to her identity.

Great season all around, really.  The major arc was interesting, and the monster-of-the-week episodes were great, too.  I can't wait for next season.

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Originally Posted by Josh Dial 

Looks like Joe and I were wrong!  My guess now is a reversal of the theory, where Bolivia's dislike of alcohol will tip off Peter or Walter to her identity.

The question of her pulling it off is how good an actor she is with Peter.

Anyone with a good HD source for the comic images?  I hope we see some screensnaps of those. I saw a the Red Lantern/Red Arrow. There was a cover of The Dark Knight Returns #1 but with a red cape and a Kevin Maguire Justice League #1 (but I couldn't get a good look at that for differences). Possibly a Dark Knight Returns #3 but with a red Batman symbol.
 

They were very clumsy with the Olivia switch--it was instantly obvious where they were going with that.  But, other than that, an excellent episode.  I'd like to have seen The Talk between Walter and Peter, explaining that circumstances forced the "kidnapping," but we may have to make do with that being an offscreen thing.  This season was so good that I might buy the Blus, even though I rarely want to revisit shows that soon after they aired.

Quite enjoyed it too.  The Olivia switch was done clumsily but the potential storylines for next season mitigate any lingering distaste for it.

The alternate DC Comics covers are supposed to be posted later today at

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/

The switch had to be done in the time allotted, so they rushed it.  But, no problem. 

This really has turned out to be an excellent show and Ana Torv has grown on me.  I loved her in this episode.

I love the explanation for Bell taking part of Walter's brain and I loved their bickering.  I think it was clear Bell understood that Walter was always the more brilliant one.  Luckily, our Walter recognized his evil side coming out and figured out a way to stop it.

I'm guessing he and Peter are going to have to go back again next season to save Olivia.  What a spectacular cliffhanger ending!

I'm glad that as LOST closes shop I have a new show that I can't wait to see.

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Originally Posted by Quentin 

The switch had to be done in the time allotted, so they rushed it.  But, no problem. 

 

This really has turned out to be an excellent show and Ana Torv has grown on me.  I loved her in this episode.

 

I love the explanation for Bell taking part of Walter's brain and I loved their bickering.  I think it was clear Bell understood that Walter was always the more brilliant one.  Luckily, our Walter recognized his evil side coming out and figured out a way to stop it.

 

I'm guessing he and Peter are going to have to go back again next season to save Olivia.  What a spectacular cliffhanger ending!

 

I'm glad that as LOST closes shop I have a new show that I can't wait to see.

Agree on all points.  Ana Torv was acting differently as the Olivia/Bolivia which was nice. 

They are going to need whatever tool Bolivia and the shapeshifters used to crossover in order to return.
 

There was also Bell's cryptic comment to Peter about how well he's holding up.  I'm not sure what he meant...at first I thought he was referring to crossing over, and so did Peter.  Then, I thought he meant the emotions of seeing his mother, etc.  Then, I thought maybe Bell knows that Walter's cure for Peter as a child is only temporary and it will come back.  Then, I thought maybe he was referring to the energy supply Peter interfaced with...maybe he has some nanobots in him or something.

I dunno.  Any other theories?

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Originally Posted by NeilO 

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Agree on all points.  Ana Torv was acting differently as the Olivia/Bolivia which was nice. 

 

They are going to need whatever tool Bolivia and the shapeshifters used to crossover in order to return.
 

There's also the possibility that instead of a rescue attempt, we get an escape by Oliva.  She somehow uses her powers to open the door, subdues Walternate, wrecks the machine, and opens the doorway; all in a day's work for Olivia :)

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Originally Posted by Josh Dial 

There's also the possibility that instead of a rescue attempt, we get an escape by Oliva.  She somehow uses her powers to open the door, subdues Walternate, wrecks the machine, and opens the doorway; all in a day's work for Olivia :)

True.  Walternate has no idea what being secluded in there could do to Olivia.  This Olivia is far more powerful/dangerous than he knows.  As soon as he closed her in there I envisioned the 'fireball explosion' escape.  We know she has it in her.

My first thought exactly. This show keeps getting better and better.  I just hope that they will not try and wrap all this up in one episode next season but I think they will keep Bolivia in the the A universe for a while going on investigations with the Fringe team at first to learn more about them etc. Prediction - Bolivia is going to like her sister and niece and start to turn and eventually sacrifice herself for Olivia.

Caveat - I hope they have the show mapped out in general. Like Lost, this show will probably need an end date setting at some point or we could end up treading water with monster-of-the-week episodes. Cuse and Lindelof realised that and I hope the Fringe producers do too.

Roll on Season 3 -

Olivia may be able to escape by opening a door into her world.

I am going to guess (agree with Simon) that Bolivia's exposure to Peter, Walter, and Astrid will cause her to doubt the Secretary's motives when she realizes that they are not 'monsters'.  Spending time with Olivia's sister and her adorable niece will also warm her to this reality.

Fringe is so much better than Lost in terms of managing its mythology.  The show is performing an excellent balancing act of raising new questions and answering them in a satisfying manner that resonates within the Fringe 'universe'.

- Walter.

The story behind the altDC covers and all the covers can be found at

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/05/21/geoff-johns-and-hank-kanalz-on-last-night%E2%80%99s-fringe-alternate-universe-covers/

Agreed. Setting the "end date" still couldn't save Lost from its random, meandering self.
 

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Originally Posted by Malcolm R 

 

Agreed. Setting the "end date" still couldn't save Lost from its random, meandering self.
 

Lost is, and was, a far more ambitious - and emotional - show than Fringe.

The concepts of Fringe are intriguing and with this season having learned the lesson of tying the characters directly to the storyline the show has kicked it up a notch.  If it can stay away from too many MOTW episodes and continue to delve into the characters like they did in the second half of this season, Fringe could move from very good show to a great one.

They still need to work on the emotional beats.  Noble often nails his moments.  The last few episodes could have been more powerful emotionally but it could be argued that the nature of Olivia's and Peter's characters prevent this.  Hoping to see both become more open and less reserved as the series progresses.
 

"I hope they have the show mapped out in general. Like Lost, this show will probably need an end date setting at some point or we could end up treading water with monster-of-the-week episodes."

Hmm. To me this is the closest show to "X-Files" that anyone has produced and, IIRC, that wonderful show lasted nine seasons. Of course, some of the seasons were poorly done without Duchovny being on board, but I was really sorry to see XF end. The first movie was fairly good, but the second was terrible.

Fringe is just catching on. More people need to know about it. I hope the producers, though, don't start switching time slots because that is one thing that will kill a show. Sometimes when a program starts building a fan base, the suits decide to put it up against another network's major draw and when it can't compete, they kill it. I really hate the way that viewers are used as guinea pigs for marketing products and I'm always a bit hesitant to get excited about a show, knowing that the plug could get pulled at any time with no ending or explanation. They did that with a lot of scifi shows: Firefly, Invasion, Threshold, to name a few.

May Fringe go at least 5 seasons with no cast changes. If we get five then it's on to a decade of Walter and his wonderful cow. I'm crazy about Walter!

I watched "Lost" for a couple of seasons and lost interest. Yes. Really. I just couldn't go back. Too much to keep track of. It lost its entertainment value and became work. I don't need work during my off hours. So, if a program requires that I keep up, review, interpret, guess, hope and devour every bit of information that appears on the Internet, I simply don't have time for it. It mimicked politics too much. Allegiances changing. Bartering for power. Heroes disappointing their addicted masses.

For such heavy doses of emotional angst, I simply read the daily news. 

Many, on the other hand, watched it religiously just for these reasons.

I guess Walternate isn't taking the summer off:

Quick!   Somebody call Fringe Division. 

Regards,

Joe

Moderator note: All Season 3 discussion belongs here.

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Originally Posted by Josh Dial 

Awesome first part of the season finale tonight.  This show is actually delivering on the promise that hinted at last season with the ZFT.

 

There were so many cool differences between the two worlds.  Here are a few I caught:

 

- West Wing Season 11 (or was it 12?).  Anyone catch the cast?

- MLK Jr. on the American Twenty.

- California seems have been mostly-flooded.

- Nixon Silver Dollar makes another appearance.  A bell and the moon on the other side.

- Cabbage Patch Kids are still popular.

- Texas was split into two states.

- If the dots on the map indicated pattern events, then they have spread far more widely in the alternate universe, reaching across the country.

- In the awesome red titles, one of the fringe topics was something like "first people," perhaps referencing the extinction of American Indians?

Late to the party as usual, Fringe S2 just ended its run on broadcast TV here.

I didn't think Texas was literally split into two, but just that Oklahoma was larger "over there" than over here.  And Dakota was a single state, no North/South split over there.  I did get the impression California was "skinnier", but thought that perhaps Arizona and Nevada were just a bit wider, rather than alt-USA having actually suffered from the effects of Lex Luthor's S1 plot.  Didn't catch any other major differences, though.

West Wing S11 was a hoot.  Cabbage Patch Kids on the other hand was just bizarre...

It would appear medicine "over there" is far more advanced, e.g. B-Olivia recited some really nasty injuries suffered by her team leader (90% 3rd degree burns IIRC), which would be fatal here, but he would fully recovered.  And of course Walter's gunshot wound was healed overnight.  But what tech "over there" is inferior to ours?  Aviation, perhaps, since they're still using airships?  But apart from that, it seems most of their tech is better.

Now I have to resist the temption to watch S3 via <ahem> not-so-kosher means...

http://www.fringetelevision.com/2010/05/united-states-of-fringe-map-from-over.html

Has a full, high-res version of the map.  Here are the highlights (simply copy/pasted from the wiki):

• Washington is called Southern British Colombia
• California is missing half of the state
• Nevada is called Independent Nevada
• Texas is divided into North and South Texas
• North and South Dakota are combined into one Dakota
• Kansas and Oklahoma are combined into one Midland
• Louisiana is called Louisiana Territory
• Michigan is missing its upper half
• North and South Carolina are combined into one Carolina
• Virginia and West Virginia are combined into one District of Virginia