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post #121 of 267
2/9/10 at 11:26am
The only situations I know of where studios 'play nice' and share is in co-production situations.  I thought Fringe was totally WB TV, but I could be wrong.
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post #122 of 267
2/16/10 at 2:16am


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I'm not so sure how all this works, and how it will play out.  "Our" Peter was dead - so weren't the two universes already out of balance?  Does each universe have to have copies of the same individuals, or is there some kind of over-all balance that has to be kept?  Would the "other" Peter (the one from the Other Side, who is now in our universe) have died if Walter hadn't brought him across?  And what about the "other" Walter? Is he still alive?  (Until the conclusion of the last episode, I wasn't entirely sure that Walter was "our" Walter.  I thought that instead of going to the Other Side and stealing a replacement for Peter, the Walter from over there might have crossed into our world to raise the Peter who had survived.  I didn't think it likely, but I considered it as a possible twist.) 

Many questions.  Personally I think that Walter and Bell had created an imbalance with their earliest teleportation experiments, before they realized they were swapping matter with the other universe.  Their actions may have alerted those on the Other Side to the existence of our world, and led to their desire to open a doorway of their own.  (A variation on the hoary old "Dying space civilization that is running out of air/water/some rare mineral/solar energy comes to conquer Earth" cliche.) 

Can't wait until April.

Regards,

Joe

Some excellent questions.  We, myself and the wife, had some of the same questions.  What/where is the other Walter!!

We are also wondering what the hell other things Walter has worked on.  He seems to have some pretty scary skeletons in hi closet that are coming back to him.

I hope to god they don't cancel this show, if they do I hope someone else picks up the show.

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post #123 of 267
2/16/10 at 5:45am
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I hope to god they don't cancel this show, if they do I hope someone else picks up the show.

 


I don't know why anyone would think this show is in any real danger of getting cancelled but according to Entertainment Weekly, it's a safe bet for renewal.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/14/bubble-show-scorecard/
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post #124 of 267
2/16/10 at 11:49pm
I was only going off what is being said here.  I haven't really done any research outside of this thread.  I am glad to hear it is doing fine!!!  Love the show!
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post #125 of 267
3/4/10 at 9:03pm
I saw the trailer for the April 1 return.  It looks awesome.  Really good stuff that we've been waiting for.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Olivia and Walter talk about Peter being from the other side, and it sets up the story of how and why Walter swapped Peters--with the help of the Observer.
Nearly a month.  That's harsh, dude.  /Hurley
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post #126 of 267
3/5/10 at 8:45am
Definitely.  That trailer looked amazing.  If that's all in one episode, it's going to be one helluva return.
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post #127 of 267
3/5/10 at 11:40am
Just a couple of issues about maybe someone can explain....

-It seems that the alternate Earth people are looking for a way to cross over.  Yet, their are a bunch of them there.  So how did they get here?  I assume they are looking for a way to open a permanent or larger opening.

-The idea that if one item comes over another has to be sent back seems like it was just made up to make a story.  Since Everytime one of the alternate people came over it should have caused a problem. 

-And their can't be doubles of everyone.  For example.  They say the WTC didn't get destroyed on 9/11.  So their are a few thousand people who are alive in the alternate Earth and dead here.   Also, the guy that survived (for a few minutes) merged with his alternated self.  The one from the other Earth was married and this guy was not.  So their offspring cannot be the same.  Thus causing future differences. 

Geez my head hurts.    
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post #128 of 267
3/6/10 at 11:39am
 For the last question, the impression they gave me is that it's more that the mass has to be the same, though not necessarily what makes up that mass.  As long as things balance out on both sides, it doesn't really matter what makes up that balance, just that it's balanced.
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post #129 of 267
3/6/10 at 12:06pm


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Just a couple of issues about maybe someone can explain....

-It seems that the alternate Earth people are looking for a way to cross over.  Yet, their are a bunch of them there.  So how did they get here?  I assume they are looking for a way to open a permanent or larger opening.

-The idea that if one item comes over another has to be sent back seems like it was just made up to make a story.  Since Everytime one of the alternate people came over it should have caused a problem. 

-And their can't be doubles of everyone.  For example.  They say the WTC didn't get destroyed on 9/11.  So their are a few thousand people who are alive in the alternate Earth and dead here.   Also, the guy that survived (for a few minutes) merged with his alternated self.  The one from the other Earth was married and this guy was not.  So their offspring cannot be the same.  Thus causing future differences. 

Geez my head hurts.    

1) I don't think it's been explained exactly how the shapeshifting soldiers have crossed over.  I can't think of anyone else walking around who is from the other side (besides Peter, of course).  All of the other crossings-over have been from our side to theirs.  Although, since it is implied that both sides know of each other, and there is a war coming (it's also suggested that the war is already on), we just haven't seen everyone who has crossed over.

2/3) I don't think it needs to be the exact same thing (person for a person, for example), but rather mass for mass.  It's just that the universes tend to favour a one-for-one transfer.  There is also the possibilty that one side of the equation is being messed up by the machinations of Bell and Bishop (and Jones, and Massive Dynamic, and so on), and these meddlings are creating other issues...
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post #130 of 267
3/6/10 at 12:49pm
I just saw on Twitter that @andylevy tweeted the 3rd season in carved in stone.
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post #131 of 267
3/6/10 at 2:57pm
Are you related to Morgan Jolley?

I wonder if one of Andy's cats told him.  The man loves cats.  And lotion.

http://m.ew.com/news-detail.rbml;jsessionid=1WHRcfuer2qDNhgaptfnTA**?guid=http%3A%2F%2Fhollywoodinsider.ew.com%2F2010%2F03%2F06%2Fexclusive-fringe-picked-up-for-a-third-season%2F

Looks like a mobile link, but I'm going to let it stand.

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post #132 of 267
3/8/10 at 1:16am
Just read the article... More visits from Leonard Nemoy!  This should be good.
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post #133 of 267
3/8/10 at 12:18pm

It's been confirmed that season 3 is a go.

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post #134 of 267
3/8/10 at 3:01pm
Very pleased with the renewal = I just hope that whenever they do decide to cancel they give them enough time to wrap up the plot threads satisfactorily. As seasons go by, it will be incredibly frustrating if it is rushed at the end
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post #135 of 267
4/1/10 at 9:47pm
Awesome return to Fringe this week.  Some pretty major questions answered, at least partially.

I especially liked the "throw-back" title sequence.  This show is just plain fun.  Cool and fun.

So, who else thinks that Carla's death in a "freak fire accident," as mentioned previously by Walter, was actually a murder by either Walter or William?

Edited by Josh Dial - 4/1/10 at 10:05pm
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post #136 of 267
4/1/10 at 10:38pm
Yes cool titles. Walternate. :D
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post #137 of 267
4/1/10 at 11:06pm

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 So, who else thinks that Carla's death in a "freak fire accident," as mentioned previously by Walter, was actually a murder by either Walter or William?

 


Yeah, that was one of the first things I thought of when she told Walter he has to send Peter back.

That old school intro was sweet.
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post #138 of 267
4/1/10 at 11:37pm
So I'm definitely getting the feeling that other Walter is definitely the 'big bad' on the other end now.  I mean, we had hints of it, with the book in season 1 that was written on Walter's typewriter, but now we have a lot more motivation for him.  The way the switch went down is absolutely nothing like what I thought it'd be, that's for sure though.
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post #139 of 267
4/2/10 at 3:13am
The titles were awesome.  When we were seeing Peter's mom through the window into the other universe, did you see the toy robot reflected on the screen?  Bad robot!  Also: Eric Stoltz in Back to the Future.  I wonder why they chose to run a Clue poster, unless it was a reference to alternate endings.

I was thinking Walter should have just taken Peter to Walternate's lab with no regard for the awkwardness of meeting his double, but I guess he already had the stuff worked up on his side and there wouldn't be enough time to get it in a useable state over there.
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post #140 of 267
4/2/10 at 7:59am
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So I'm definitely getting the feeling that other Walter is definitely the 'big bad' on the other end now.  I mean, we had hints of it, with the book in season 1 that was written on Walter's typewriter, but now we have a lot more motivation for him.  The way the switch went down is absolutely nothing like what I thought it'd be, that's for sure though.
I sure didn't expect the switch to have happened that way.  Before this episode, I had been thinking it was all the ice and it would be more benign - Peter would die in our universe and Walternate in the other.  I then thought the ice accident would happen on the way to Walternate's lab and was surprised to see it happen upon their return.

When Nina arrived at the jump point, I'm sure everyone else also thought this was going to be how she part of her arm - and so it was.

We still need to find out how/when/why William Bell went to the alternate universe.  What happened to the Bell in that universe?  How did he deal with Walternate?  Was there some sort of truce involved? 

These final episodes of the season are going to be intense.
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post #141 of 267
4/2/10 at 9:29am

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I was thinking Walter should have just taken Peter to Walternate's lab with no regard for the awkwardness of meeting his double
 

I don't think it was just a matter of awkwardness.   There is no indication that Walternate was even aware of our universe, much less that he working on anything connected with it.  Walter was spying on Walternate and stealing his technological ideas, but in at least one respect he seems to have leapfrogged his double.  The last thing Walter wanted to do was get Walternate thinking along those lines.  He and Carla had already discussed how dangerous crossing between the two universes would be, and were actively concealing their knowledge from the military.  Arriving in Walternate's lab would have given the whole game away.  Even if Walter had actually returned Re-Peter to his rightful cosmos, Walternate would have known about the parallel world and started investigating it.  (Which is exactly what probably happened when he came home, found Re-Peter gone and learned that his exact double had taken him.) 

Regards,

Joe
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post #142 of 267
4/2/10 at 11:55am

Ummmm...why haven't we been using that damn window for the last season and a half??  Wouldn't that be a useful tool in the war?

Other than that bizarre oversight, awesome episode. 

Why do I get the feeling Dr. Bell is NOT in Germany but has already crossed over himself?  Certainly, Walter does and should feel very responsible for the 'cracks' in the continuum.  Thus, he wrote the book about the war.  But, Bell has a MUCH larger role to play here.  After all, he's actually living over there!

 

Again...why no window?  You could communicate with Bell on a regular basis.

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post #143 of 267
4/2/10 at 12:55pm

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Again...why no window?  You could communicate with Bell on a regular basis.

 


Well, given that we can wonder about the window, presumably Walternate (and the writers) can as well.  I figure Walternate would have deduced that something like it existed, perhaps even built one himself.  And then what normally happens in this kind of tech war ensues:  The other side finds a way to jam your window, you invent a new kind of window, they jam or neutralize that, rinse, repeat.

Regards,

Joe

P.S.

What?  Nobody likes "Re-Peter"?  I was so proud of that.  
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post #144 of 267
4/4/10 at 9:20am
 "I’ve always seen you as a scientist Dr. Warren, despite your need for religious claptrap.

I see I was wrong."

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post #145 of 267
4/5/10 at 11:02am
Absolutely fantastic episode - certainly one of the best of the season and up there with the season one finale.
Im sure there will be a couple of non-mythology based episodes between now and the end of the season and I have a feeling Peter will be finding out the truth in the season finale - (or maybe going over to the other side to find his real father)
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post #146 of 267
4/6/10 at 3:18am
Simon..

  Are you talking about the "History" episode that just aired?  If so I agree.  Great episode.  
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post #147 of 267
4/6/10 at 10:26am
sorry yes i was

To be honest the mythology of the show is getting really really good. My only worry is that they make the same mistakes as The X Files did. Lets hope they have an end game in mind.

And its frustrating when we get a non-mythology based episode no matter how good they are.
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post #148 of 267
4/6/10 at 10:48am

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To be honest the mythology of the show is getting really really good. My only worry is that they make the same mistakes as The X Files did. Lets hope they have an end game in mind.
 


It is clear from what we've already seen that they're going to do better than The X-Files.  When Chris Carter started the UFO mythology he not only had no idea where he was going, he didn't really have any idea where he was coming from.  He had worked out next to none of the backstory. If you at least have a consistent history to draw from, you can get away with a bit of making-it-up-as-you-go, because you have something that determines the parameters of your story.  Lacking that your narrative can wander in pointless circles until both you and your audience are exhausted.  It is even better to have a definite end-point that you're working towards in addition to your fleshed out backstory.  Even if you end up changing course en route, the story will remain much more internally consistent as long as the goal remains the same.  I think the care with which they've laid the backstory in from day one shows that the Fringe producers are much more on the ball about that sort of thing. 

Regards,

Joe
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post #149 of 267
4/8/10 at 7:12pm
While this one once again only tied into the mythology in a peripheral manner, because it is all linked to Peter's back story - and Olivia's and Walter's and William Bell's - it was quite engrossing.

Walter deciding he is going to tell Peter the truth was an about face that seems arbitrary though even with the events of this episode. He has spent his whole life hiding this secret and has seen worse consequences than this. 

Awaiting with great anticipation for the reveal moment to occur.

Edited by Lou Sytsma - 4/8/10 at 7:23pm
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post #150 of 267
4/9/10 at 11:46am
Oh, I don't think it was arbitrary.  Walter has known, deep down all along, that he needs to tell Peter the truth.  And, that's the way it should be.  The interesting thing now will be to see HOW he does it.  Walter stumbles over the simplest of communications.  I'm sure he'll botch this very sensitive subject.  Luckily, Olivia knows the truth and can help communicate it to Peter.

The other interesting thing will be how Peter reacts.  I don't think he'll hate Walter for it.  But, I do think he'll wonder what his part in the impending armageddon/war he plays and I definitely think he'll want to go to the other side for a visit.

I wonder what Nina said to Olivia?
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