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Klipsch RW-10d reviews?

post #1 of 26
9/7/09 at 3:33am
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What have you guys heard about the Klipsch RW-10d powered subwoofer?


I am looking at nice subwoofers and can get this for $330, which it retails at $550. Has anyone here had any experience with Klipsch subwoofers? I have also been looking at the Klipsch Synergy 12"/10" sub, and also a KSW12 sub. Anyone know how the RW-10d compares to each of these? Theoretically, with the higher retail price, it would be better? Can anyone confirm this?


Quick replys would be helpful, as I won't have access to this at this price for awhile.
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post #2 of 26
9/7/09 at 5:26am

Use your money to buy an internet direct sub.  You will get a much better value.

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post #3 of 26
9/7/09 at 3:22pm
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What do you mean an internet direct sub? Do you mean off of the internet? This deal IS online
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post #4 of 26
9/7/09 at 3:38pm
He means subs that are only sold on the internet like SVS, HSU, and ElementalDesigns.

Much better than most other subs and excellent bang for the buck.
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post #5 of 26
9/7/09 at 7:47pm
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I don't have any klipsch speakers, just the sony ones that came with my reciever. They are plenty loud for our small room, so I just need the big punch of a good sub.


Any links for SVS, HSU, ElementalDesigns, or any other internet direct sub? Im looking around $300-$350
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post #6 of 26
9/7/09 at 8:24pm

HSU-STF-2 ($349 + $33 shipping), Elemental Designs A2-300, A2-250. $350 and $325 + shipping. Also look at the Dayton ES-10-Elite, ES-8-Elite. $229 and $99 + shipping, which were designed by Dr. Hsu, as well as others from from PartsExpress.com. SVS starts at $429.

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post #7 of 26
9/7/09 at 9:07pm
Thread Starter 
alright thanks


Which would you choose for a 12'x14'-ish room?

and how do these ones compare to the Klipsch RW-10d
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post #8 of 26
9/7/09 at 10:01pm
12 X 14 isn't a very big room. Just about any sub I mentioned would be over-kill in a room that small, except the ES-8. Most others would disagree with that, though. They really like sub woofers around here.

The ED A2-250 looks real good on paper. Says it goes down to 18 hz. But it's 24"s deep and only goes up to 100 hz so make sure your other speakers can go down at least that low.

The Dayton ES 10 is a pretty good sub for the price, my brother has one, but the enclosure is pretty big for a 10" sub.

The ES-8 is only $99 but goes to 30 hz and won't take up too much space. But I don't think it can compete with the others, including the Klipsch. It would be enough sub for me in a room that size but probably not for you and certainly not for anyone else around here.

If you have the space I'd give the ED 250 the first look followed by the ES-10.

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post #9 of 26
9/7/09 at 10:07pm
 i can't compare the internet direct subs to the klipsch because i haven't listened to them.  but i have listened to a few klipsch subs and the better ones were just overpriced for their sound and the worse ones were unlistenable.  of course this is all subjective.  also you generally don't have to worry about timbre matching subs at all.  yes, one sub may sound better with a given system than another but you do not have the same issues as timbre matching the front three speakers.

any of the internet direct companies mentioned make good products.  also in your price range and very good values at $300 for either are the Monitor audio ASW100 or PSB Sub series 5i both from saturdayaudio.com.  the differences between the two are not huge.  the PSB has a bit more punch and I'd give it the edge for feel it in the gut power or for a movie heavy setup or a larger room.  for me i prefer the ASW100.  it's a small black cube with plenty of power for a small room like yours as long as you're not trying to set spl records.  i like it's slight edge in musicality over the PSB based on comparisons i did over 3 years ago on these same models at higher prices.  (i ultimately chose the ML dynamo which happens to be on sale for $470 now.)  you should try to listen to something before you buy if you can, just as a reference.  if you don't have a good independent audio dealer nearby, the magnolia section at a best buy can be a good alternative.

good luck 
Edited by MaxL - 9/7/09 at 10:20pm
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post #10 of 26
9/8/09 at 9:36am
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http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=303-432

shat about this sub

it goes from 23-180 hz
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post #11 of 26
9/8/09 at 10:42am
The BIC is a good sub but I'd take eD A2-300 over it any day of the week.

-Robert
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post #12 of 26
9/8/09 at 11:48am
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Alright, my roommate in the house has an elemental design sub. Ill go see what his sounds likes to get comparison.


EDIT*

Well he actually has the A2-300 and it sounds pretty good, and it wasn't even turned up that loud.


Edited by imp3r10 - 9/8/09 at 12:25pm
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post #13 of 26
9/8/09 at 2:08pm
You ask about subs you have never heard and the entire time your roommate had a quality sub?!?! 

The A2-300 uses a quality driver and amp in a properly designed enclosure.  Unless you have all of the tools, it's difficult to beat by going DIY and building the enclosure.

-Robert
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post #14 of 26
9/8/09 at 2:14pm
Thread Starter 
well i do have a klipsck rpw-10 at home, thus why i was looking at klipsch speakers
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post #15 of 26
9/8/09 at 2:45pm
I'm still puzzled that you didn't know what your roommate had.  I knew that my roommate had a Charvelle guitar with Ernie Ball 'super slinky' strings and a Crate G40C amp with Celestion drivers.  He didn't have a stereo in his room.  My other roommate had a Panasonic system with a record player and 8-track recorder.  I had a similar model with a cassette recorder.

That was a few years ago.

Klipsch makes good to great speakers depending on the product line.  They make average subs for the money you pay.
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post #16 of 26
9/8/09 at 2:57pm
Thread Starter 
roommate as live in my house but not room. there are 21 rooms

and i knew he had elemental design but we just started talking about them
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post #17 of 26
9/8/09 at 3:11pm

I shared a house with 3 other guys and then a second house with 5 other guys.  We each had our own room.  The only time we shared a room was spring break when we squeezed 7 guys in each room of a Best Western.  Your situation sounds like a frat house so I understand.  It took a while to learn about my brothers but I did.  I passed both the oral and written tests.

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post #18 of 26
9/12/09 at 12:48pm
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well i orderd my elemental design A2-300 but its still awaiting production. He says that they get back ordered alot.
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post #19 of 26
9/12/09 at 8:28pm
Tony,

You do not have to timbre match the sub.  Internet Direct subs are a great value.  If you have never heard this, then you haven't been around audio sites/forums very long...  As for the demo, that IS what you are doing. You are getting 30 days to listen in YOUR room, not some showroom.
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post #20 of 26
9/12/09 at 9:30pm
Tony,

I see that you said you have a Martin Logan Dynamo. I just upgraded from the Dynamo to an SVS sub and best believe it is a huge upgrade. I was a little taken back by the fact that the internet direct companies are just that, but if you haven't tried HSU, SVS, etc you can't try and lead other posters away from a better product since you don't know better. Internet direct companies can produce quality products at cheaper prices for many reasons. Additionally subs do not and basically cannot be timbre matched in the first place. Not trying to poop in your cereal but this are facts.
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post #21 of 26
9/15/09 at 12:24pm
Tony,
My bad that was MaxL's post about the ML Dynamo not yours. My apologies. 
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post #22 of 26
9/16/09 at 11:33am

I'm having a real hard time not responding sarcastically, but you are making a huge mistake if you are characterizing all internet subs as bass heavy and boomy.  Also, as far as timbre matching, before I got my Onkyo receiver with Audyssey, I could clearly tell that my Def Tech center did not exactly match the timbre of my floor-standing mains, even though they should.  There was never any apparent issue between them, or my new mains and my internet sub.  When calibrated correctly, no one has ever heard my system and said it was boomy or too heavy on the bass.

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post #23 of 26
9/17/09 at 12:25pm
Anybody who says you have to timbre match a sub has been listening to salesmen who hate online retailers.  It simply isn't true.  It's no more true than saying $400 HDMI cables will give a better picture or you have to run equal lengths of speaker wire so the sound will reach your ears at the same time.  Just another ruse to get people to buy the high cost, low performance sub from a particular speaker manufacturer, mostly because the installer gets a good discount on a package deal. 

And I have also "been around."  Only I got out of sales a long time ago because it made me feel dirty to hear what salesmen would say to screw a customer.
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post #24 of 26
9/17/09 at 7:43pm
But what you are describing is not timbre matching, it's quality of sound.  Big difference.  You said a sub had to be timbre matched, and that is most certainly wrong.  Timbre matching is matching the quality of sound across the same frequencies.  By its very definition, a sub is recused from that exercise.
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post #25 of 26
9/18/09 at 6:55am
If his new "location" isn't enough to get his account suspended, I don't know what is.  Good riddance to bad rubbish!  I don't know of any internet vendor that uses any cardboard in their subs.  If that's what he's been installing for people...
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post #26 of 26
9/18/09 at 7:02am
So I shouldn't point him to the reviews that compare the SVS PB13 Ultra to the JL 113?  
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