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post #91 of 106
Random thoughts...

It looked like you'd catch tetanus just touching that sickle.  
Crowley is becoming one of my favorite characters on the show.
"Who thought you'd use so much tongue."
Great sequence with Death and Dean in the pizzeria.

I wonder how Dean is going to be able to weasel out of his promise.

- Walter.

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post #92 of 106
I don't know if Dean does wriggle out of that promise.  I think Sam may have the right idea, and Dean ends up going along.
post #93 of 106

Wow..That was some finale.  I assumed once we saw who bought it...That we wouldn't know their fate(s) until next season.  But, with regards to the last scene...

 

 

 

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At first I thought that it was just a normal Sam.  But, he didn't want to go to Dean because he is going to settle down and have a family.  But, then I remembered the light blowing out and of course this is Supernatural.  Any other thoughts from others??

post #94 of 106

Enjoyed the finale quite a bit.  I guess I'll spoilerize this...

 

 

 

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Not sure what we saw during the final scene - Sam's soul cut free from his body, so that he could check up on Dean; courtesy of God?

 

In any case, Dean has the rings and Castiel has upgrades so I'm guessing (not much of a guess here) that Season 6 will focus on rescuing Sam.  Or they could go the Season 4 opening episode route, in which Castiel rescues Dean from Hell.  Not saying that Castiel will rescue Sam; but perhaps some other entity will rescue him during the Season 6 opener.  Guess we'll see what is in store for the Winchesters in the fall.

 

I hope we see more of Crowley next year.

- Walter.

post #95 of 106

Really enjoyed the finale a great deal.

post #96 of 106

The big scuttlebut on the Supernatural forums is that in (at least this episode) Chuck....

 

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 Is God.

post #97 of 106

I think Sam is just going to turn around and leave.  He sees Dean is finally happy and he returns to hunting on his own.  But of course, some how Dean is drawn back into that world some how.  Just a thought.

post #98 of 106

Interesting to hear there's going to be a season 6. I recall reading in an interview/article least year that the leads were feeling burned out and didn't really want to go past season 5.

 

I'm certainly not going to complain about the renewal. But I also can't help but think if there hadn't been anybody standing under that street lamp in the last scene, it would have been a damn-fine ending to the series.

post #99 of 106

I'm sure some people enjoyed this episode but I'm not so sure whether the long standing fans felt the same. Basically, in a nutshell, Season 5 made Season 4 completely and utterly redundant. It made it pointless.

 

Dean, 'The One', the true vessel, the 'Michael Sword' ended up being nothing more than cannon fodder and his dead younger brother stole the limelight from him. Castiel saving Dean from hell, all those lessons the angels threw Deans way ? It all meant nothing. All the trouble saving Dean from Hell ? Nope, didn't mean a damn thing.

 

However, there were a few things I liked about the episode. The rock music. The montage at the end. The journey with the Impala...

When Castiel stood over Dean at the end I really thought he was God. Blown to bits, reappearing twice. But it's the way the scene played out, his expressions, heck, even the music swelled when Dean asked the all important question. Castiel never once mocked God's creations and showed nothing but love for them, way back in Season 4 when he sat with Uriel on the bench.

 

Chuck as God ? Not buying that. So did God decide to use Chuck's vessel or was Chuck really God the entire time ? Who knows. The amulet never 'burned hot' in season 4 when they met up with him. Oh well, never mind that one. That's another thing, Chuck likes his call girls....what kind of impression does that leave if he is God ? We know, he is a sleaze bag, they hammered that home too.

 

So we also learn that Michael isn't really that powerful after all. For someone who is apparently the 2nd most powerful being in the universe he can't prevent Sam from falling into the pit without being pulled into the pit ? Serves him right. I didn't like the younger brother anyway.

 

One thing I enjoyed about the episode was the montage at the end. But come on, the entire time the show had us pumped up to see this huge fight between Lucifier and Michael. The angels hammered this into our heads very early on in the season. The entire season was building to that fight. Dean was supposed to be THE vessel, not A vessel..or A substitute vessel...but THE vessel. He was the Michael sword. Nope.

 

So after all that build up, all that crap, we got no fight at all ? Not even a light scuffle between the two heavy weights ? Nope. Dean was brushed aside, heck, he wasn't even the one to use the rings to send his brother away. He was just there. And Castiel exploding, Bobby's neck snapped....for what ? Nothing. They're just fine. Zero tension.

 

All in all, I was very disappointed with this episode. So Sam is 'out of the cage' at the very end, or is 'Sam' really Lucifier, or is Sam now an angel or a ghost ? He might even be dreaming for all we know. Where is Michael ? Stuck in the pit ? Serves him right. Sam isn't trapped anymore so all the tension goes out the window. Just like that.

 

Supernatural has been my favorite show from the beginning. But man, that was bad. I'll try to put Season 4 and 5 behind me and concentrate on Season 6 and hopefully they can save this mess.


Edited by Vaughan Odendaal - 5/16/10 at 3:14am
post #100 of 106

Oops, dp.

post #101 of 106

 

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Dean, 'The One', the true vessel, the 'Michael Sword' ended up being nothing more than cannon fodder and his dead younger brother stole the limelight from him. Castiel saving Dean from hell, all those lessons the angels threw Deans way ? It all meant nothing. All the trouble saving Dean from Hell ? Nope, didn't mean a damn thing.

 

I'm not sure I  understand why you think this.  How did it "not mean a damn thing"  ?  As far as anyone knew up until Adam was found, Dean was the choice.  And Adam was not really the right choice, and no one was sure it would even work.  Saving Dean was important, because Dean was the one who finished the final battle; the prediction was correct, just not in the way that they had originally imagined.  So, I'm not sure how any of this undid anything about Season 4.

 

 

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Chuck as God ? Not buying that. So did God decide to use Chuck's vessel or was Chuck really God the entire time ? Who knows. The amulet never 'burned hot' in season 4 when they met up with him. Oh well, never mind that one. That's another thing, Chuck likes his call girls....what kind of impression does that leave if he is God ? We know, he is a sleaze bag, they hammered that home too.

 


Chuck wasn't God.  He was a prophet.  Once the work of the prophet was done, he was called up to heaven, something that the angels had said before.. while he was doing the work of the prophet, he was protected and couldn't be touched.  The moment his work was done, he was immediately taken.  No where was it ever inferred that Chuck was God.  He wasn't God.  He was a prophet who finished his calling.

 

 

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One thing I enjoyed about the episode was the montage at the end. But come on, the entire time the show had us pumped up to see this huge fight between Lucifier and Michael. The angels hammered this into our heads very early on in the season. The entire season was building to that fight. Dean was supposed to be THE vessel, not A vessel..or A substitute vessel...but THE vessel. He was the Michael sword. Nope.

 

So after all that build up, all that crap, we got no fight at all ? Not even a light scuffle between the two heavy weights ? Nope. Dean was brushed aside, heck, he wasn't even the one to use the rings to send his brother away. He was just there. And Castiel exploding, Bobby's neck snapped....for what ? Nothing. They're just fine. Zero tension.

 

We were repeatedly told that if there was a fight, the initial battle would lay down a virtual apocolypse for humanity, the fight would decimate humankind.  I thought it had built all year that the most important thing was that they had to stop the fight at all cost.  Dean knew that and so he and the others (Cas, Bobby) were willing to sacrifice their lives by driving right into it if there was even the remotest shot they could prevent the battle from starting.  I thought that was the whole point to the season, what can they do to stop the fight.  And Sam found the way to stop the fight.

 

I'm not sure how they could have done this any other way... they had to make sure that fight didn't happen, or else all of the lore of the show which pressed how bad that initial fight would be would be undone if they didn't have them living in a post-apocolyptic world next year.  They all did pretty much exactly as I expected.

post #102 of 106

What a strange season.

 

While I enjoyed almost all the episodes on an individual basis the lack of time devoted to the season long Apocalypse arc - and most of that was in a tell not show method - deflates the whole season.

 

Still this finale episode was about as good as it gets. Endings are hard. And this one is good enough that if this was the series finale I would walk away satisfied.

 

The notion of the Impala being a magical avatar was good, albeit it smacking of pulling something out of the writer's sleeves at the last second.

 

Where do they go from here into the next season?

post #103 of 106
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Interesting to hear there's going to be a season 6. I recall reading in an interview/article least year that the leads were feeling burned out and didn't really want to go past season 5.

 

I'm certainly not going to complain about the renewal. But I also can't help but think if there hadn't been anybody standing under that street lamp in the last scene, it would have been a damn-fine ending to the series.


I'm not sure the guys had a choice in Season 6. It's my understanding that they were contracted for up to six seasons, so if CW wants to continue, they have little choice. If that's how they feel, it'll become an issue if CW wants to renew for a seventh season and has to negotiate new contracts. Though I've never understood why actors seem so willing to walk away from a successful show. It's so tough to land good roles and successful series as actors. I'd think you'd want to ride the gravy train as long as it runs.

 

But I agree this would have been one of the more satisfying series finales I've seen if they'd faded to black before the Sam reveal. It just makes me wonder where they're going to go for Season 6 and, if that's truly the last season, if they'll be able to wrap it up as well. But supposedly the creators say they have a decent idea for the next season, so we'll see.

 

I did like the line from Sam, though, "Remember how simple things used to be when we hunted wendigos?" It's always disappointed me somewhat that this series seemed to go so far afield from that initial, simple premise of brothers tracking down urban legends and supernatural creatures. But the show still remained engaging and is one of only a couple of series I make sure to watch every week, so I guess I can't complain too much.

post #104 of 106
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New timeslot for Season 6 this fall: Fridays at 9PM after Smallville.

 

So SV and SN are back together again on Fridays. Unfortunately, there's a lot of stereotyping of Fridays as a network "dead zone." But there have been shows that have thrived on Fridays, such as "The X-Files," so the night of the week isn't necessarily the killer.

 

Probably doesn't matter too much anyway, as chances of a Season 7 are probably pretty slim unless CW ponies up more money for the actors and/or moves production to LA.


Edited by Malcolm R - 5/20/10 at 7:41pm
post #105 of 106

The CW should just call it the Farewell Friday season tour (for Smallville and Supernatural).

post #106 of 106

I am just glad we are getting a season 6 and now I have something besides Smallville to watch on Friday

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