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post #1 of 15
9/5/09 at 9:01am
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I'm trying to get my living room sounding and looking nice, but I'm in between two set ups for my 13' x 14'  11 foot ceiling living room.

The two options that I was considering are Bose V30 or a Pioneer Elite SC-27 receiver with definitive technology procinema 600 speakers and sub. What do you think?

Also, if you have any other ideas let me know and I will consider. The only that I'm trying is that the speakers not be too big because they will be mounted on the ceiling with brackets.


Thank You in advance for any advice provided.
Jose
Edited by manolitomp12 - 9/5/09 at 2:52pm
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post #2 of 15
9/7/09 at 4:40am
If you spend a couple minutes searching for Bose on the forum you will quickly find that given the two options you provided, the DefTech speakers will win hands-down.

I think those DefTechs are a great options for small speakers.  Some others you might check out include Klipsch Quintets and Mirage Nanosats or Omnisats.
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post #3 of 15
9/7/09 at 4:38pm
Thread Starter 
Thank You for your advice Seth H,

I went for the definitive technology procinema 600 with the pioneer sc-27.

I have noticed that most people on this forum like the HDMI cables sold on monoprice and bluejeans, especially for the price. I have noticed that mediabridge HDMI cables have very high customer reviews as well.

What are the main features that you want on an HDMI cable? speed (GBPS), bit color, how many hertz, shielding, etc. Also is it even worth it for a home application to get a 1.4 cable?

What are the main features that you want on a subwoofer cable?

Sorry for all the questions I'm just not good with the HT stuff, this is my first HT setup and I'm trying to get the best setup for a reasonable price. 
Edited by manolitomp12 - 9/7/09 at 5:15pm
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post #4 of 15
9/7/09 at 6:14pm
I'll start with the easy part of your question:  For a subwoofer cable, you can use any RG-6 cable.  RG-59 would work too, but RG-6 is cheap enough.  This is the same type of cable used for cable television or antenna, but instead of an F-connector (screw-on) you want an RCA connector.  BlueJeans and Monoprice carry these as well.

For HDMI the thing that will best determine the quality is the consistency in the manufacturing process.  This is difficult to determine from any marketing information you'll get, so you kind of need to go by word of mouth.  The gauge of the wire does certainly play a role in the quality of the cable, but that usually varies by length of the cable (thicker wire used for longer cables).  As long as the cable you buy meets the v1.3a specs you should be in good shape and it will meet all your neesd as far as speed, hertz, etc.  I would stick with BlueJeans, Monoprice or Firefold.
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post #5 of 15
9/9/09 at 1:57pm
 Hello Guys,

I like most of what seth is saying, but stay away from RG6 or RG59 for subwoofer cables. RG6 is made to carry very high frequency signals. RG59 is a bit better for audio frequencies as it should be pure copper, but still not ideal as it is a coaxial cable with a different sized conductor in the shield and the center conductor. Instead, go for a twisted copper audio cable. 

You do not have to get a super expensive cable, but get one that is right for the job.

I agree with Seth about HDMI. To make a recommendation on a certain HDMI cable we would need to know the TV type / model and what you are using for a disc player. 

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post #6 of 15
9/12/09 at 12:39pm
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Ok, I'll stay way from RG6 and RG59 cables. Matthew it's good that you said because I was about to buy some RG6 cable.
Do you think this specs make for a pretty good subwoofer cable?
LC-1 Audio Cable Specs:
Physical Characteristics:
Center Conductor - Solid Bare Copper, 25 AWG
Dielectric - Nitrogen-Injected Low-Density Polyethylene
Shield - Braid/Braid, 98% coverage, bare copper
Outer diameter - .305 inch
Certifications:
UL Listing: Yes
NEC Rating: CM (Communications rated; suitable for residential and commercial in-wall installation)
Electrical Characteristics:
Capacitance, conductor to shield: 12.2 pF/ft
Resistance, center conductor: 34 ohms/1000 feet
Resistance, shield: 1.7 ohms/1000 feet

If you have a better idea let me know. The above specs are for bluejeans sub cable.

BTW, I'm using a PS3 for my player, and the TV is a 58" Samsung plasma (Model: PN58B860Y2F).

Thanks you your advice on the cable.
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post #7 of 15
9/12/09 at 3:49pm
I've been using RG-6 for full range audio and sub cables for years.  No issues.
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post #8 of 15
9/13/09 at 4:32am
RG6 will work fine. In addition to Robert, who replied to this thread, there are dozens of members using rg6 for their subs.  With that said, though, you cannot go wrong buying from BlueJeans.  I currently have the LC-1 for my subwoofer and some of their 12awg wire for my speakers.
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post #9 of 15
9/16/09 at 8:04pm
Don't get Bose and I'm +1 on the RG6.

Regards,

BillMac
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post #10 of 15
9/17/09 at 2:56pm
Thread Starter 
Guys,

Thanks to all of you for the advice. I went with the RG-6 cable from blue jeans. While intalling the HT today I ran into a little problem, I'm so frustrated but here I go. This is the equipment I'm having trouble with: ProCinema 600 speakers, Definitive Technology mounts and the ceiling. I have pre-wire on my ceiling and when I tried to angle the speakers to point towards where I will be seating at, the angle is too much, the speaker hits the ceiling. I tried looking online for some extensions, I couldn't find any DefTech extensions.

Also banana plugs or bare wire, which is better?

Any advice/ideas greatly appreciated.
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post #11 of 15
9/17/09 at 4:10pm
Banana plugs are only needed if you connect and disconnect your speakers a LOT.  Most of us use bare wire.

What do your mounts look like?  Can you make your own extensions?
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post #12 of 15
9/17/09 at 4:19pm
Jose,

Welcome to the forum.
Which speakers are you mounting to the ceiling (fronts, rears)?

If it's the rears, you don't have to worry about pointing them directly where you're sitting. If it's the front/center speakers, I wonder if you really would want them up there.


Cees
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post #13 of 15
9/17/09 at 5:09pm
Thread Starter 

The rear speaker have a good angle. The one's that I cant get the right angle is the Front R/L and center. The speakers are the DefTech Pro Cinema 600 and the mounts I'm using are the ProMount 80 from DefTech.

http://www.definitivetech.com/Products/products.aspx?path=Accessories&productid=ProMount80

 

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post #14 of 15
9/17/09 at 5:50pm
Jose,

If the front speakers are mounted above the level of the screen, you may want to point them in front of your sitting position. That way the sound will appear more readily to come from the direction of the  screen. If they are pointed right at you, it will be located high up, which would be unnatural.

Give it a try (if that is possible to do). It could incidently solve your problem.


Cees
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post #15 of 15
4/10/10 at 9:56am
Banana plugs also have the advantage that you can attach them to the speaker wires separately, then plug them into the amplifier. This is much easier than fumbling around with five or seven speaker wires among a dense-packed array of binding posts, especially if you have limited access to the connections.

CAVEAT: Check your AVR before using dual banana plugs. Many manufacturers (about half) use NONSTANDARD spacing on their binding posts. Standard spacing for dual banana plugs has been 3/4 inch for more than 50 years. Why anyone would want to use one-inch spacing in a cramped area like an AVR back panel is beyond me, but if you get dual banana plugs, they won't fit, and you'll have to cut 'em in half like I did with my Elite. GRRR !!!
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