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post #151 of 546
10/14/09 at 8:13am
I'm glad I'm not a charger fan over the last couple of years.  LT just drives me crazy.  Everyone keeps saying "oh I saw him in warm ups, he looked like old LT!", then in the game he rushes for 10 yards. 
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post #152 of 546
10/14/09 at 8:26am
^^^

Or gets injured.  It must be frustrating for Chargers fans.
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post #153 of 546
10/15/09 at 9:14am
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I just read that for the sixth consecutive week, Washington will be playing a winless opponent. It is believed to be the first time this has ever happened in the NFL. Considering the Redskins record, it's no surprise Jim Zorn's job is in jeopardy.

Edited by Scott Merryfield - 10/15/09 at 11:26am
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post #154 of 546
10/15/09 at 10:10am
Speaking of Washington, I heard today that the Redskins have not allowed more than one TD pass in any game this year.  I thought that that was a bit odd, but then realized that maybe they've allowed a ton of rushing TDs.  Of course, it is possible that what I heard was not accurate.
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post #155 of 546
10/16/09 at 1:18pm


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^^^

Or gets injured.  It must be frustrating for Chargers fans.

Heavy Sigh.  Yup, very frustrating.
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post #156 of 546
10/18/09 at 2:54pm
Tom Brady is now in the record books with 5 TDs in 1 quarter today against the Titans in the 2nd quarter.

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post #157 of 546
10/18/09 at 3:08pm
Anyone know how Tennessee went from 13-3 and a pretty good defense, winning their division, one of the worst teams in the league?  They are about to be 0-6 and are down 45-0 at halftime.  Even worse, it's being televised and CBS will not switch coveage to a different game.
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post #158 of 546
10/18/09 at 3:13pm
Correction, it's the most TDs in a quarter since 1950.

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post #159 of 546
10/18/09 at 8:32pm


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Originally Posted by Steve_Tk View Post

Anyone know how Tennessee went from 13-3 and a pretty good defense, winning their division, one of the worst teams in the league?  They are about to be 0-6 and are down 45-0 at halftime.  Even worse, it's being televised and CBS will not switch coveage to a different game.

Steve,

CBS did switch to another game (Bills - Jets) in our area, saying they wanted a more competitive game.  It may be the first time I've ever heard announcers say that a team has won the game before the start of the second half.
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post #160 of 546
10/19/09 at 4:38am
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CBS switched to the Jets - Bills game at the start of their 2nd half in our area, too. That was a brutal beating the Pats put on the Titans. It appears that Tennessee has no ability to defend the pass. Brady just ate them up, and the same thing has been happening to the Titans all season.

While we are asking for explanations, can someone explain how the Raiders were able to beat Philly? Did the Eagles miss their plane to Oakland?

Will Jim Zorn survive another week?

The Lions have now lost 19 straight games in Wisconsin. The Packers cannot be feeling too good about the win, though. They let one of league's worst pass rushes sack Rodgers four times, after giving up 8 sacks to the Vikings. At this rate, Rodgers will not survive the season.

Jets fans must be a little worried. Mark Sanchez is playing like a rookie, and the team has now lost 3 straight. He had that "deer in the headlights" look against Buffalo.
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post #161 of 546
10/19/09 at 6:37am
Sanchez has thrown eight interceptions in the last two games.  Ryan doesn't sound as gracious in interviews.  I can't wait until New England gets the Jets in Gillette.

That was quite the trouncing the Boston Patriots put on the Oilers yesterday.  I was kind of hoping that the Patriots could somehow bring that weather with them on the road.

The Raiders - Eagles game went precisely as I expected it to go. ;)

I loved the Saints whipping of the Giants.  They really look like a cohesive unit.  Looking at the remaining schedule for the Saints, I can see them going 14-2, and maybe even 15-1.  With maybe the exception of two games, they have what looks on paper to be a very easy schedule the rest of the way.  (Now watch the Saints lose to the Bucs one of the two times they face them.)

I really believed that my dark horse team, the Ravens, would be better than 3-3 at this point.  They will be fortunate to make the playoffs, what with Pittsburgh and Cincinnati playing as well as they have been thus far.  (BTW, I was doing my best Carlton Fisk imitation when that field goal was attempted in the waning moments.)  And it now looks as though only two (and not three) teams will fall from the ranks of the unbeaten this week.  Ahh, but the Vikings get the Steelers in Pittsburgh next week.

I heard this morning that Rodgers was sacked five times, the Packers fumbled the ball three times, and that Green Bay was penalized for over 130 yards -- and the Lions still could not muster even a field goal.  Their passing average was 2.2 yards -- that doesn't even cut it in rushing, let alone the air game. 
Edited by Ockeghem - 10/19/09 at 9:09pm
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post #162 of 546
10/19/09 at 8:09am
Question: Who is leading the NFL in touchdown passes?  You get 5 guesses and I guarantee you get the first 4 wrong.


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Tom Brady? Nope.

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Drew Brees? Nope.

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Brett Favre? Nope.

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Peyton Manning? Nope.

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It's Matt Schaub with 14.




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post #163 of 546
10/19/09 at 9:58am
Brady and the Pats made it look like Flag Football out there in the snow against the Titans.

Brees is in the zone, he just made it look so easy, but he never had the strongest arm, but he is very accurate and isn't afraid to throw in to double-coverage and let his receiver fight for the ball.

Favre is just crazy, like a fox.
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post #164 of 546
10/19/09 at 11:21am
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Zachary,

The only reason I knew the answer to your quiz is that he's the backup QB on one of my fantasy teams (a dynasty team with Brees as my starter). Otherwise, I never would have guessed it correctly.

Yeah, the Lions offense was pathetic against the Pack. They were down to their third string QB, and have no real weapons to go to with Calvin Johnson out injured. If Green Bay had not committed so many penalties, the final score could have been even worse. If Stafford and CJ are not back after this week's bye, it is possible Detroit could lose at home to the horrible Rams.

The Saints are definitely for real, and I think the Vikings will be their prime competition in the NFC, assuming Favre's old body doesn't break down as the season wears on. Minnesota seems to have complete control of their division, as both Green Bay and Chicago have serious flaws that make each just borderline wild card contenders. The Saints will get tougher in-division competition from a solid Atlanta team.

I am not ready to write off the Giants yet, although they need to get their running game working better. Jacobs has not been impressive so far. Still, when your prime competition (Philly) loses to Oakland, it makes the road to the division title look a lot easier.

I still cannot believe the Eagles lost to the Raiders.
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post #165 of 546
10/19/09 at 12:50pm
I’m shocked that this Raider team actually managed to out coach and out play a team of the Eagles caliber.
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post #166 of 546
10/19/09 at 1:47pm
 I was able to correctly guess Zach's question on the first try, but the "you'll never guess" part was a pretty big hint.

As badly as the Giants got whipped, at least I thank the lord I'm not a Redskins fan.  Even a Raider fan can take solace in the fact that Al Davis will die soon.  But Synder will live on for decades, ruining that team for generations.  And at least Al has some past glory to mitigate his current incompetence.  Snyder's teams haven't sniffed a championship game since he bought the team.

Edited by Hanson - 10/19/09 at 2:02pm
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post #167 of 546
10/20/09 at 4:59am
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Yes, Daniel Snyder, as young as he is, has a chance to match the Lions Wm. Clay Ford for a long run of incompetence. Only about 40 more years to go, Snyder!

Okay, while I still do not think the Broncos are a Super Bowl contender, they certainly are now the team to beat in the AFC West. I apologize, Johnny, for jinxing your Chargers before the season by saying there was no way they could lose their division. Norv Turner has taken a Super Bowl contender and turned it into a non-playoff team. He should be joining Zorn, Del Rio, Jauron and John Fox in the unemployment line at the end of the season. Wade Philips may join them, too.

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post #168 of 546
10/20/09 at 6:47am


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Yes, Daniel Snyder, as young as he is, has a chance to match the Lions Wm. Clay Ford for a long run of incompetence. Only about 40 more years to go, Snyder!

Okay, while I still do not think the Broncos are a Super Bowl contender, they certainly are now the team to beat in the AFC West. I apologize, Johnny, for jinxing your Chargers before the season by saying there was no way they could lose their division. Norv Turner has taken a Super Bowl contender and turned it into a non-playoff team. He should be joining Zorn, Del Rio, Jauron and John Fox in the unemployment line at the end of the season. Wade Philips may join them, too.

 

Norv Turner's name was mentioned on sports radio this morning on my way to work.  They said that he (Turner) has offensive talent, defensive talent, and a good, cohesive unit with a lot of promise, but that he simply cannot put it all together.  They were placing the blame squarely on his shoulders.  Maybe they're right, but maybe not.  I don't know.

I wonder what Coryell is doing these days? ;)


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post #169 of 546
10/20/09 at 7:23am


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Okay, while I still do not think the Broncos are a Super Bowl contender, they certainly are now the team to beat in the AFC West. I apologize, Johnny, for jinxing your Chargers before the season by saying there was no way they could lose their division. Norv Turner has taken a Super Bowl contender and turned it into a non-playoff team. He should be joining Zorn, Del Rio, Jauron and John Fox in the unemployment line at the end of the season. Wade Philips may join them, too.
 
The Broncos have now beaten Dallas, NE, and SD in consecutive games.  At 6 and 0, one has to start wondering just how good they are.  At 2 and 3, you don't have to wonder how good the Chargers are.  The Chargers knew this was a must win and they were at home and they give up 14 points on special teams.  On 3rd and goal, they put LT on the sidelines.  LT isn't what he used to be, but to me that was a no brainer.  If you're going to run for the TD, he should have been in there.  They used Sproles on a 4th and goal against the Ravens and got stuffed on that play too.  I guess Turner is going to keep calling it until it works.

Turner can't get his team ready to play in the first part of the season, and now I wonder if this team will play at all.  They barely beat a poor Raider team and had a tough time with Miami (and wasn't their starting QB injured during the game).

The Chargers assembled a bunch of talent in the past few years and I believe they have now squandered the window of opportunity to win it all.  Merriman has not been a force since his suspension and LT is on the decline.  The team has peaked and now they need to rebuild.  Starting with a new coach.

When Turner was hired, I was so pissed at Schotenheimer(sp) that I was glad to see them hire anyone.  I had wished they had fired Marty soon enough so they could hire one of the assistants who left for greener pastures, but considering how they have faired, that probably wouldn't have worked out for SD either.  In retrospect, Turner was a poor choice.

Every single year of their existence, except one, the Chargers have been a disappointment.  They're either darn good, but don't get the job done, or mediocre or worse from the start.  This year they will be mediocre or worse, time will tell.

Their only immediate hope (for next year, that is) is to hire a great coach, like the Broncos apparently did.  Jeez, they lose their franchise QB, replace him with an average to good QB, and go 6 and 0.  You gotta believe the new coach is critical to that.

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post #170 of 546
10/20/09 at 8:14am

Here's an interesting statistical comparison between Kyle Orton and Jay Cutler:


                       Comp       Att      Pct    Att/G    Yds    Avg    Yds/G    TD    Int    Lng    20+   40+    Sck      Rate

 

 

Orton             124           194     63.9    32.3   1,465     7.6    244.2       9      1     87T    16       4        9      100.1


Cutler             110           172     64.0    34.4   1,201     7.0    240.2      10     7      58       19      2      10        86.9


Orton has been better in practically every category.  Does that make him a Hall of Fame quarterback, or guarantee he'll win a championship?  No--but it sure as hell doesn't make Cutler the "star franchise golden armed quarterback whom Orton could only dream of being as good as" so many hyped him up to be.  The myth that McDaniels was an idiot for "letting him get away and getting stuck with a nothing quarterback from the Bears" has turned out to be exactly that--a myth.  McDaniels coaching to this point has been as superb as anyone could ask for.


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post #171 of 546
10/20/09 at 10:46am
I've never understood what anyone saw in Cutler to raise him up and label him as one of the league's "elite" quarterbacks. He seems to be mostly ego and attitude, with little talent. I suspect he'll be relegated to back-up status somewhere a couple years from now.
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post #172 of 546
10/20/09 at 11:02am
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The Broncos have now beaten Dallas, NE, and SD in consecutive games.  At 6 and 0, one has to start wondering just how good they are.  At 2 and 3, you don't have to wonder how good the Chargers are.  The Chargers knew this was a must win and they were at home and they give up 14 points on special teams.  On 3rd and goal, they put LT on the sidelines.  LT isn't what he used to be, but to me that was a no brainer.  If you're going to run for the TD, he should have been in there.  They used Sproles on a 4th and goal against the Ravens and got stuffed on that play too.  I guess Turner is going to keep calling it until it works.

Turner can't get his team ready to play in the first part of the season, and now I wonder if this team will play at all.  They barely beat a poor Raider team and had a tough time with Miami (and wasn't their starting QB injured during the game).

The Chargers assembled a bunch of talent in the past few years and I believe they have now squandered the window of opportunity to win it all.  Merriman has not been a force since his suspension and LT is on the decline.  The team has peaked and now they need to rebuild.  Starting with a new coach.

When Turner was hired, I was so pissed at Schotenheimer(sp) that I was glad to see them hire anyone.  I had wished they had fired Marty soon enough so they could hire one of the assistants who left for greener pastures, but considering how they have faired, that probably wouldn't have worked out for SD either.  In retrospect, Turner was a poor choice.

Every single year of their existence, except one, the Chargers have been a disappointment.  They're either darn good, but don't get the job done, or mediocre or worse from the start.  This year they will be mediocre or worse, time will tell.

Their only immediate hope (for next year, that is) is to hire a great coach, like the Broncos apparently did.  Jeez, they lose their franchise QB, replace him with an average to good QB, and go 6 and 0.  You gotta believe the new coach is critical to that.
 

The Chargers play calling near the goal line completely baffled me. How many times do you run LT and Sproles up the middle before trying something else? With such large, talented targets as Gates and Vincent Jackson, why not try at least one play-action pass? It certainly worked later, hitting Jackson in the back of the end zone.

If/when Turner is dumped, it will be interesting to see what caliber coach SD can attract. With the GM Smith completely in charge, I would think big name coaches like Shanahan, Cowher, Gruden, etc. would want more control than Smith would be willing to give.

BTW, I think Cowher stays retired. He seems to be enjoying himself without the stress of coaching in the NFL.

Malcolm, I don't think Cutler is a back-up QB, but his style certainly is more high risk, high reward than a game manager like Orton. Cutler is a gunslinger like Favre. Sometimes that works (if the QB is talented enough like Favre), and sometimes it doesn't. Stafford seems to be from this same mold, too.

I'm probably a little more prejudiced against Orton due to watching him play at Purdue. I was never impressed with him there, thinking he was over hyped with the Boilermakers. 

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post #173 of 546
10/20/09 at 1:28pm
The chargers were 8-8 last year and only made the play offs because of a terrible call by Ed Huculli (or however he spells it).  I wonder why I was assuming they would easily win the division........I guess I figured the assistant coach from the patriots with 3 rings and kyle orton wouldn't work. 
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post #174 of 546
10/20/09 at 1:50pm
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Well, being a former Pats assistant coach has certainly not be a guarantee for success. See Romeo Crennel and Eric Mangini as proof (and Charlie Weiss, if you want to include the college ranks).
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post #175 of 546
10/21/09 at 8:39am
Agreed, that's why I assumed that it would not work.
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post #176 of 546
10/21/09 at 9:07am
I read elsewhere that other former Patriots assistants were determined to do things their own way, while McDaniels was determined to use methods that have been proven to work at New England.  I also read that he spent hours explaining to Pat Bowlen how he was going to improve the defense (something Shanahan was utterly incompetent at doing), and that had much to do with why he was hired.
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post #177 of 546
10/21/09 at 9:09am


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Norv Turner's name was mentioned on sports radio this morning on my way to work.  They said that he (Turner) has offensive talent, defensive talent, and a good, cohesive unit with a lot of promise, but that he simply cannot put it all together.  They were placing the blame squarely on his shoulders.  Maybe they're right, but maybe not.  I don't know.

I wonder what Coryell is doing these days? ;)


Coryell would be the man if you want a team with lots of offense and no defense.  I once read an anecdote that he supposedly blurted out that his defense should get off the field already (even if it meant letting the other team score!), just so he could get his beloved offense out there!

Edited by RobertR - 10/21/09 at 10:35am
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post #178 of 546
10/21/09 at 9:34am


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Coryell would be the man if you want a team with lots of offense and no defense. I once read an anecdote that he supposedly blurted out that his defense should get off the field already, just so he could get his beloved offense out there!

Robert,

Being a Patriots fan since the late 1960s, the Chargers were a team that I saw a lot in those early days. I know defense wins championships, but one thing about Coryell's offense was that it was quite exciting to watch. I loved the air game, and looked forward to watching those Chargers games back in the day.

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post #179 of 546
10/21/09 at 9:45am


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Robert,

Being a Patriots fan since the late 1960s, the Chargers were a team that I saw a lot in those early days. I know defense wins championships, but one thing about Coryell's offense was that it was quite exciting to watch. I loved the air game, and looked forward to watching those Chargers games back in the day.
 

Scott,

I think everyone had fun watching "air Coryell", except fans of the opposing defense.  But it's more fun to win championships.

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post #180 of 546
10/22/09 at 2:21pm


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The chargers were 8-8 last year and only made the play offs because of a terrible call by Ed Huculli (or however he spells it).  I wonder why I was assuming they would easily win the division........I guess I figured the assistant coach from the patriots with 3 rings and kyle orton wouldn't work. 

You've got me confused.  It was Ed whats-his-name that made a terrible call in the first SD/Denver game in Denver, early in the season, that almost surely cost the Chargers the win.  From there on, they were behind Denver until the last regular season game.  Did he blow another call that I've forgotten about?


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Scott,

I think everyone had fun watching "air Coryell", except fans of the opposing defense.  But it's more fun to win championships.
 

Yeah, I have to agree.  Take that great playoff game in Miami many years ago.  It was the "agony and the ecstasy".  I'd give up some of those offensive fireworks for one SB win.  Just one.

This reminds me, the NFL network did one of their ten best of's on the best receiving corps.  I figured SD should have one that would place in the top ten.  They kept counting down and no Chargers...5..4..3..2  and I'm thinking we didn't make the top ten?  Actually they picked Air Coryell as the number 1 receiving corps.

To continue with the Chargers, I was reading the SD Union online and found some status that are quite revealing.  Since they lost the 2007 AFC Championship game in NE, they are 11-12.  In regular season games over the past year and a half: 18 teams have won more games than the Chargers; they have the same record as the 49ers; if there were standings they'd be a half game behind the Texans; they've won just three more games than the Raiders.  This is their third straight year to start at 2-3.

Holy crap, I've been living on the glow of their 14-2 season, I was not truly aware of how mediocre they've become.  If I had seen these stats before the season, I would have been much less surprised by this season.  They haven't crashed this season, they had already plateaued.

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