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post #121 of 165
9/14/09 at 6:45pm
It feels like it's running with far tool little RAM. Click on Mail and it beachballs for 20 seconds before becoming responsive. Then alt-tab to Firefox and it beachballs for another 20 seconds. Go to iPhoto and it takes 45 seconds to bring up the Events thumbnails. And so it.

It might be other things. I think the hard drive is auto-sleeping now and I've set the security lock to require a password, so maybe it's spinning down and paging out data, requiring time to get apps up and running. And maybe I'm running more apps this week than typical.

It may have nothing to do with SL; it's just felt different coinciding with 10.6.1.

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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina View Post

It doesn't feel any slower to me. How do you mean slower? Slower to load up? Less "snappy"? I think the things I pointed out in post 75 (page 3) of this thread still hold true in 10.6.1 - in fact I just ran a permission repair and it seems to be even faster!

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post #122 of 165
9/14/09 at 11:35pm
Dave I definitely am not experiencing the same thing. I just launched all browsers simultaneously and iPhoto and it's performing like that at all for me.

Maybe time for a "forced defrag"? (i.e. clone to a bootable external via SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner, boot from the external and clone back?
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post #123 of 165
9/15/09 at 5:21am
Ok. I'll play around some more and see what develops. Since it's likely not a 10.6.1 thing, I'll look at other issues.
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post #124 of 165
9/16/09 at 5:32am
I've committed myself to 10.6. I resumed SuperDuper! usage, replacing my 10.5 recovery image with my current 10.6 system. And last night I listed my 10.5 Family Pack on eBay. There's no turning back. :)

I still haven't decided about my wife's computer -- there's still some CS3 worries  -- but I'm inclined to upgrade her this weekend if she'll let me. Same process: SuperDuper! and TimeMachine her final 10.5 configuration, disconnect the drives, and do the upgrade. Give it a week and if all is well, resume SuperDuper!ing and TimeMachineing.
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post #125 of 165
9/19/09 at 11:09am
My understanding is that if you upgrade to Snow Leopard, all of your personal stuff will be lost.  Is that true?  I've never switched out the operating system before.  I'm especially worried about losing all of my ITunes and programs I bought for my computer.
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post #126 of 165
9/19/09 at 11:42am
Dana,

Not true at all.

While it is always to do a backup before upgrading to
a new OS (that is what I did and I went back to Leopard)
I have never seen a new operating system on Mac zero
out any previous data or software.

Now, mind you, some software may not work correctly
once you upgrade.  Hopefully when they don't, the companies
offer fre upgrade patches on their website. 

I removed Snow Leopard from at least one of my two
computers due to the fact that a lot of mail and browser
plug-ins stopped working.  Once updates are offered I will
try the upgrade again.

Let us know how you make out.
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post #127 of 165
9/19/09 at 12:05pm
That's great news Ronald!

We have a coupon to get it for $10  and I'll do it.
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post #128 of 165
9/19/09 at 3:23pm
Share the coupon!!!!  =)
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post #129 of 165
9/22/09 at 7:12am
I would, but my wife can't find it now.  My Apple was a gift from my family on Father's Day.  Now that I think about it, the coupon was taken off of Apple's site.  I think it was for computers bought right before Snow Leopard came out.
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post #130 of 165
9/22/09 at 6:25pm
PSA: eBay your OS X 10.5 kit! I just sold my Family Pack for a pretty good percentage of my original purchase price. I'm an eBay noob and I'm surprised at the strong selling price.
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post #131 of 165
9/22/09 at 7:49pm
I'm not judging you, mind you, but is that technically within the spirit of the Apple license?
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post #132 of 165
9/23/09 at 3:59am
It's an interesting question. And I've considered a few different answers. But they come down to this: I don't care. I bought 10.5, Family Pack even. And then I bought 10.6 (and also paid for the upgrade for my wife's iMac up-to-date copy). It's just silly for me to keep 10.5 now; I do not and will never need it again. So I'll sell it and cover some of my $3000 in Apple purchases from this year. And if Apple someday stops me from selling old software, then I'll have to buy less new software and hardware and they can determine if those are good economics.

Edited by DaveF - 9/23/09 at 4:10am
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post #133 of 165
9/23/09 at 5:11am
Fair enough.

Sam
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post #134 of 165
10/1/09 at 4:30pm
Installed and working well. All of my apps so far appear to work flawlessly (fingers crossed).
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post #135 of 165
10/16/09 at 11:53pm
 @DaveF: Have you had any problems running CS3 on SL? I want to upgrade my iMac, but don't want to have to get CS4 (I might get CS5 next year for the 64bit support).

That said, I've been using Pixelmator on my MacBook and been very impressed with it (runs on SL and considerably cheaper too!).
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post #136 of 165
10/17/09 at 1:21am
I have CS3 on my iMac and for me Snow Leopard really screwed it up. When I try to run it now it will usually crash and tell me that it needs to send a message out to Apple or similar. I have had a lot of crashes in the middle of using Firefox 3.5 and Safari. I also have a Fijitsu 1500M Scan Snap that no longer works on my iMac. All of the authors of these various programs are working on fixes but so far I have had far more trouble with 3rd party programs now that I have updated to Snow Leopard. Hopefully they will have a lot of these issues resolved with the next release.

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post #137 of 165
10/17/09 at 5:23am
I'm not upgrading my wife's iMac to SL, because she's the CS3 user. I use Pixelmator a bit; but it's no replacement for the entire Adobe suite for a pro designer.

Parker -- thanks for the info. And sorry to hear the SL was a bad upgrade for your CS3 install. :(
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post #138 of 165
10/17/09 at 10:55am
Thanks for the info. I'll give CS3 a try on my iMac whilst I've got SL on it but before I restore all my other stuff. It looks like I might have to go back to Leopard on my iMac so that I can keep using Photoshop and Dreamweaver CS3.

I was also thinking of getting a Scan Snap scanner later this year. Hmm...
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post #139 of 165
10/17/09 at 11:48am
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2009/08/pscs3_on_snowleopard.html
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post #140 of 165
10/17/09 at 7:22pm
John Nack only commented on Photoshop, and not the whole of CS3. Since then, there have been significant anecdotal reports, like Parker's, that CS3 does have minor, perhaps major, issues with 10.6. So, I've decided not to risk borking my wife's workflow for now. I'll continue to watch how the winds blow, but I may not upgrade her until she can upgrade to CS5 or whatever's next.

Edited by DaveF - 10/18/09 at 9:12am
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post #141 of 165
10/17/09 at 10:18pm
Thread Starter 
Got to see the problem firsthand tonight that has been widely reported on various forums, including Apple's discussion groups and that is my machine being spontaneously logged out without warning. Some people think it may relate to a flaw in Rosetta and that may be possible, given that I was trying to close out of Quicken 2007 when the logout took place. Luckily I wasn't working on anything that hadn't been saved.
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post #142 of 165
10/18/09 at 9:14am
I've seen that on 10.6 and 10.5 on my MBP and iMac. It's rare for me; like the few gray-screen bombs I've had.
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post #143 of 165
10/18/09 at 10:00am

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Originally Posted by DaveF View Post

John Nack only commented on Photoshop, and not the whole of CS3. Since then, there have been significant anecdotal reports, like Parker's, that CS3 does have minor, perhaps major, issues with 10.6. So, I've decided not to risk borking my wife's workflow for now. I'll continue to watch how the winds blow, but I may not upgrade her until she can upgrade to CS5 or whatever's next.

Absolutely, I meant to add a comment that it seems Adobe has a bit of 'head stuck in the ground' where this stuff is concerned.

I was REALLY bummed that they just went through the last Photoshop World and Max Events without announcing CS5.  Looks like we gotta wait till January 18th now.  God only knows when they will update Lightroom, but that runs flawlessly on Snow Leopard.

If any of you are considering going to CS4 in the meantime, I STRONGLY recommend you try to do so through an academic institution.  Adobe has a number of purchase programs but this one is by far the best:

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http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/openoptions/students/school_listing.html

CS4 Production Premium (a $1699 product) for $299.  Students could get the Adobe Master Collection, EVERY program Adobe sells, a $2499 program, for $499!!!!!!

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post #144 of 165
10/18/09 at 10:59am
Yeah if you have an affiliation with an academic institution, that's definitely the way to purchase Adobe products. I know CS5 hasn't been officially announced, but I thought I read somewhere that Adobe had settled in to an "18 month release cycle" for the CS line, and it's been a year since CS4 was launched (10/15/08 according to Wiki).

I have CS3 Design Premium and for the few programs I use it for, so far so good on SL (knock on wood). I'm so paranoid now about any Adobe/Apple incompatibilities that I'm going to limp along for 6 months on CS3 DP until CS5 comes out. CS5 should be completely solid on SL. 
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post #145 of 165
10/18/09 at 12:32pm
As my wife's CFO :) I too am annoyed that Adobe has abandoned CS3 so soon.

As it's so expensive, my wife only upgrades every other edition, at most. And since she's not even full-time equivalent, I can see waiting until 2011 (and perhaps CS5). But it's really her call.

As for upgrading: even if we were students, student-edition software is typically not licensed for professional use. (Even the MS Office Home / Student package prohibits commercial use.) (And this may be not the same as an edu discount for employees, as with my modest corp discount.)

Edited by DaveF - 10/18/09 at 12:49pm
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post #146 of 165
10/18/09 at 4:50pm
The Adobe student editions ARE perfectly legal in professional/commercial use:

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/453900
http://www.adobe.com/education/students/studentedition/faq.html

at least in NORTH AMERICA.   YMMV outside it.
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post #147 of 165
10/18/09 at 6:40pm
That's both surprising to me and good news for those eligible.
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post #148 of 165
10/19/09 at 10:14am
The two CS3 products I use are Dreamweaver and Photoshop.

Photoshop CS3 installed OK and seems to be working although I've only done some limited testing with some minor edits.

Dreamweaver CS3 installed OK but is already showing problem signs. Some of the panels don't refresh properly.

Looks like I'm going to have to go back to Leopard on my iMac at least.

The other big app I use is Office 2008. It needed Rosetta for the installer but otherwise runs fine on Snow Leopard.
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post #149 of 165
10/19/09 at 1:55pm
Thanks for the notes on your experience, Darren. I'm definitely convinced to keep my wife at 10.5 for now.
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post #150 of 165
10/20/09 at 12:35pm
you are definitely going to want CS5:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=540977923979
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