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post #91 of 213
11/16/09 at 3:33pm
You guys make a lot of sense.  Yes, I'd certainly be content if Sony just put the "corrected" GOOF ON THE ROOF on the last volume! 
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post #92 of 213
11/16/09 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi View Post

You guys make a lot of sense.  Yes, I'd certainly be content if Sony just put the "corrected" GOOF ON THE ROOF on the last volume! 

That's all I ask as well. It one of the best Shemp shorts and it sucks that it's been shafted by a crappy telecine to DVD transfer effort.
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post #93 of 213
11/16/09 at 4:31pm
Well, when I say "corrected", I'm saying that it should be issued at 1.37, not 1.85. From what we've now learned, I'm convinced that it it was not actually made with 1.85 screens in mind. 
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post #94 of 213
11/16/09 at 5:37pm
It was not photographed for widescreen. See post #74 for an explanation.
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post #95 of 213
11/18/09 at 3:31pm
After finally watching this set, I'm sorry to say the 3-D conversions are terrible. I'm quite familiar with how good they CAN look - both in their original dual-strip Polaroid and the red/blue anaglyph conversions created in the late 60's - and these new cyan/magenta transfers are horrible. Not only is there severe ghosting (double-image) on the magenta eye, but the amount of "noise" is ridiculous. I don't know if it's some form of pixelization or digital artifacting, but it shouldn't be there.

Both shorts were extremely well photographed by Lester H. White and Henry Feulich and this is a far cry from how good these can look in 3-D
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post #96 of 213
11/18/09 at 6:34pm
 You took the words right out of my mouth, Bob. I received my set yesterday and immediately went to the 3D shorts to see how they looked. They are virtually unwatchable. Even the 8mm editions that Columbia released in the old home movie days were better than these. Thank God the flat versions are included as well.

 I also have to chime in on the 'Goof On The Roof' controversy. I expected far, far worse based on the comments I have been reading here. Yes, the compositions are tight in several instances but the short is far from ruined in the 1:85 presentation on this disc. I'm much more surprised that Sony Home Video went the extra mile to transfer them in their theatrical aspect ratio than angry that someone did not know the production history of this particular short. I wish Warner Brothers would give the same treatment to their 1:85 animated shorts. Heck, we can't even get this kind of treatment on Abbott & Costello's 1:85 features!

One last comment - am I the only one who finds it really strange ( in a good way, mind you ) to finally see a Stooges short in 1:85 ? 
Edited by Rob W - 11/18/09 at 6:48pm
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post #97 of 213
11/18/09 at 9:59pm
I'm so darn old, I actually remember seeing the Stooges in theaters (the very last ones, with Joe Besser).  And of course they were 1.85:1 -- but being 8 or 9 years old, I didn't know anything about aspect ratios.  I thought that's how movies always looked.

As for GOOF ON THE ROOF -- the guys at Sony thought, "Oh, released in Dec. of '53 ... widescreen."  But they should have checked when it was filmed, not released.  After all, even GONE WITH THE WIND was shown in a blown-up, 70mm version in 1967, but that didn't make it right, and no one in their right mind would want it released that way on DVD.
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post #98 of 213
11/19/09 at 4:04am
I'm of the opinion that we're fortunate to have the two shorts in 3-D at all for this DVD set. I haven't watched both shorts in their entirety yet but I have switched around to selected sequences which really show off the effect. I'm satisfied personally; I have never seen 3-D on DVD (or TV) look "outstanding" anyway.
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post #99 of 213
11/19/09 at 11:41am
Sony is taking our money. Why would we fortunate for that??? In actuality it is the exact opposite!
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I'm of the opinion that we're fortunate to have the two shorts in 3-D at all for this DVD set.
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post #100 of 213
11/19/09 at 11:53am
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Sony is taking our money. Why would we fortunate for that??? In actuality it is the exact opposite!


 


Yeah, Sony is taking our money ---  and I'm happy to give it to them. Sony has done an OUTSTANDING job with this entire Three Stooges Chronological Series. They could have just issued SPOOKS and PARDON MY BACKFIRE in flat, non-3D... and then people would be moaning about that instead! We're also very fortunate that they even bothered presenting some of these latter shorts in their proper OAR (okay, so GOOF ON THE ROOF was one mistake; it should have been in 1.37). 

But what do you expect for your money? You've got these two shorts issued on the DVD - Twice. One time flat, the other 3-D. As far as I'm concerned, Sony gave us MORE for our money this time around.
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post #101 of 213
11/19/09 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi View Post

I'm of the opinion that we're fortunate to have the two shorts in 3-D at all for this DVD set. I haven't watched both shorts in their entirety yet but I have switched around to selected sequences which really show off the effect. I'm satisfied personally; I have never seen 3-D on DVD (or TV) look "outstanding" anyway.
 


I pretty much agree. The 3-D shorts are cool for their novelty value. And the 3-D effects look pretty darn cool on my 84" screen. And they are also available on the set in nice, film print quality flat transfers. I'm pretty satisfied.
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post #102 of 213
11/19/09 at 2:47pm
The noise in the 3D looks intentional. If you look closely, there are little crisscross shapes around the red and green edges. The little boxes have that particular color along with black. It looks terrible.
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post #103 of 213
11/20/09 at 4:54pm
My point is, they are taking yours/our money. They are the ones who should be fortunate for that, certainly not us. I've never understood the mentality of thanking a huge corporation for accepting ones money. Makes no sense whatsoever, especially in these bad times!

Finally Sony is doing this strictly for profit, pure and simple there nothing altruistic, I repeat nothing altruistic regarding these Stooges DVD sets that my friend is the bottom-line, which of course is all they care about!

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Yeah, Sony is taking our money ---  and I'm happy to give it to them.
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post #104 of 213
11/20/09 at 5:05pm
They listened to the fans and gave them what they wanted. Of course they're interested in making a profit, too -- that's called business. 
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post #105 of 213
11/20/09 at 6:17pm


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Has anyone noticed that in the opening for "Spooks!" you can actually see the black clothes the Stooges are wearing as Larry runs up to the camera. You never saw that when it was on television. I think that was the point. It wasn't meant to be seen. It's funny to see all of these effects clearly on dvd right down to how they created the effects. I guess you could adjust the contrast on your set if you wanted to mask the methods for the effects.

Yeah, I had to lower the Brightness a little bit on my TV to get the right floating heads effect on that one. 
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post #106 of 213
11/20/09 at 7:19pm
It's very obvious even on the original 35mm sepia prints.
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post #107 of 213
11/20/09 at 7:41pm
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Originally Posted by moglia View Post

My point is, they are taking yours/our money. They are the ones who should be fortunate for that, certainly not us. I've never understood the mentality of thanking a huge corporation for accepting ones money. Makes no sense whatsoever, especially in these bad times!

Finally Sony is doing this strictly for profit, pure and simple there nothing altruistic, I repeat nothing altruistic regarding these Stooges DVD sets that my friend is the bottom-line, which of course is all they care about!

 



 


In all fairness, he's not saying that you have to like it. He's just saying that he's happy with what he got for his money.
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post #108 of 213
11/21/09 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by Robert13 View Post

Has anyone noticed that in the opening for "Spooks!" you can actually see the black clothes the Stooges are wearing as Larry runs up to the camera. You never saw that when it was on television. I think that was the point. It wasn't meant to be seen. It's funny to see all of these effects clearly on dvd right down to how they created the effects. I guess you could adjust the contrast on your set if you wanted to mask the methods for the effects.

 


Yeah, I had to lower the Brightness a little bit on my TV to get the right floating heads effect on that one. 



 

Did that help, hurt or make no difference in the 3D effects?
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post #109 of 213
11/23/09 at 8:21am
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Did that help, hurt or make no difference in the 3D effects?
 

I haven't tried it yet. Not sure.

Is anyone else already wondering when they will release the final volume? Is it certain that there will be just one more volume? I was trying to figure out how they would lay out all remaining 32 shorts. Plus, do you think Joe will be the main photo on the cover or Shemp? Shemp has had 3 covers now. So I think it would be nice to see Joe get some attention. Can you believe just one more volume (if that's the case) and we finally have the complete shorts on dvd?!?
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post #110 of 213
11/23/09 at 6:07pm
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I haven't tried it yet. Not sure.

Is anyone else already wondering when they will release the final volume? Is it certain that there will be just one more volume? I was trying to figure out how they would lay out all remaining 32 shorts. Plus, do you think Joe will be the main photo on the cover or Shemp? Shemp has had 3 covers now. So I think it would be nice to see Joe get some attention. Can you believe just one more volume (if that's the case) and we finally have the complete shorts on dvd?!?
 

Consitering the bulk of the remaining 32 shorts are remakes, I can't see them doing more than one more volume.
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post #111 of 213
11/26/09 at 6:25am
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Did that help, hurt or make no difference in the 3D effects?
 

Lowering the brightness made no difference that I could see in the 3D effects.  The lower brightness worked fine throughout the short, also. 

Regarding the 3D effects, the bulk of the short looked as good as any 3D I've seen on television (although I've yet to view my Coraline Blu-ray).  The opening shot, however, didn't work at all on Spooks, that I could see, regardless of brightness settings--it was just a blurry mess.  Throughout the rest of the short, it mostly worked.  There were a few of the "in your face" gimmicks that failed, and a few that worked.  The general 3 dimensional layered look worked fine througout the short also. 
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post #112 of 213
11/28/09 at 12:02pm
The two 3-D shorts looked a lot like an older 4x3 transfer upscaled to 16x9. That would explain why it's interlaced and dot crawl is present. Sony may have not had the opportunity to transfer both in HD and had to settle for that existing master. It can't be a limitation of anaglyph since other 3-D releases have been progressive. Maybe it was originally field sequential?

Despite that, it's great to see such care put into these shorts.
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post #113 of 213
11/28/09 at 10:59pm
The 3-D shorts look terrible in these new transfers. Quite honestly, the old 8mm editions released in the 70's had better depth and image cancellation.
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post #114 of 213
11/29/09 at 10:34am
I think the 3-D effects look great on this DVD(I had to duck a couple of times while watching them on my projector!), but do agree that the transfers themselves are not good. But the flat versions of both of these shorts look very good. I would like to see the 3-D versions look better, but I'm happy they even bothered to release them in 3-D at all.

Does anyone have links to screenshots from the 3-D shorts as they appeared in Super 8mm? I used to see them advertised in the Captain Company section of FAMOUS MONSTERS, and always wanted them(but they were expensive for an 8 year old kid!).
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post #115 of 213
11/30/09 at 4:27pm
 You can still buy the full-length red/blue anaglyph 3D shorts from Derann Films in England in Super 8 magnetic sound. 
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post #116 of 213
12/10/09 at 10:33am
Someone mentioned the Warner Brothers cartoons of the 1950's not being letterboxed on DVD.
If you look at some 35mm prints of these cartoons, you will see that they are "windowboxed".  This was done for theaters that would have masked the top & bottom for a wide-screen look.  It allowed the picture to remain its intended 1:33-1 Acadamy ratio by putting black bars on the left & right sides.
Disney also did this with their cartoons up to "101 DALMATIONS".
So the Looney Tunes DVDs are presenting the cartoons in their proper screen ratio.
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post #117 of 213
12/10/09 at 11:47am

Re: volume 8 changes.

Yes, in 2008 Sony's plan was for 9 volumes, volume 8 would have been Shemp as a Stooge & a solo artist. Volume 9 would been Joe Besser as a Stooge & a solo artist.

Fears of poor sales for the Joe shorts combined with the economy crash caused a combination of volumes 8 & 9, dropping the solo shorts.  But this also kept these volumes as pure 3 Stooges.  The solo shorts are a "wait & see" situation.

As late as this summer it was planned to have all 3 Stooges shorts out on DVD by the end of the year, which is the 75th anniversary year of the 3 Stooges signing with Columbia.  Needless to say, there has been a delay in street dates.  I can not go into more detail at this time, as I write this things are still in flux, but the final set is on the books for a release.

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post #118 of 213
12/11/09 at 1:25pm
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Re: volume 8 changes.

Yes, in 2008 Sony's plan was for 9 volumes, volume 8 would have been Shemp as a Stooge & a solo artist. Volume 9 would been Joe Besser as a Stooge & a solo artist.

Fears of poor sales for the Joe shorts combined with the economy crash caused a combination of volumes 8 & 9, dropping the solo shorts.  But this also kept these volumes as pure 3 Stooges.  The solo shorts are a "wait & see" situation.

As late as this summer it was planned to have all 3 Stooges shorts out on DVD by the end of the year, which is the 75th anniversary year of the 3 Stooges signing with Columbia.  Needless to say, there has been a delay in street dates.  I can not go into more detail at this time, as I write this things are still in flux, but the final set is on the books for a release.


I'm OK w/ that.  Solo stuff doesn't really mix w/ the main shorts anyway.  

I'm very excited to have all of the main shorts including the Bessers.  I've said all along, the Besser set will actually sell very well.  We've never had the chance to get them, now Stooge fans from all over finally can.  This will sell well. 

Now I would also love to see additional volumes (9+) that would include:  a volume of all the Curly Joe features; a volume or two of solo shorts; a volume or two or three of bonus material (cartoons, commentaries, tv spots, tv pilots, etc.).  

But if that never happens then A) I will be very happy and thankful to Sony for releasing all of the remastered shorts, but B) Sony will be loosing lots of potential revenue because the same fans that have bought all 8 of the "Three Stooges Collections" would buy those additional volumes as well. 

 

 

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post #119 of 213
12/11/09 at 9:38pm
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But if that never happens then A) I will be very happy and thankful to Sony for releasing all of the remastered shorts, but B) Sony will be loosing lots of potential revenue because the same fans that have bought all 8 of the "Three Stooges Collections" would buy those additional volumes as well. 

 

 

I'm not so sure of that.

Now, the features would probably have a wide audience, but the TV Pilots, the cartoons, stuff like that, would probably be for a hardcore collector audience only.

That material would probably be best served as bonus material on movie box sets. There were, what, 6 official Stooges movies, and up to 8 if you include Stop, Look, and Laugh and Kook's Tour. I'd split 'em up four per box, and add in the pilots, cartoons, and other bonus material (like Tom Bergeron's Moe and Larry interviews) so that way the "collectors material" is still anchored by stuff more casual fans would possibly want.
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post #120 of 213
12/12/09 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by PJMTV View Post

Re: volume 8 changes.

Yes, in 2008 Sony's plan was for 9 volumes, volume 8 would have been Shemp as a Stooge & a solo artist. Volume 9 would been Joe Besser as a Stooge & a solo artist.

Fears of poor sales for the Joe shorts combined with the economy crash caused a combination of volumes 8 & 9, dropping the solo shorts.  But this also kept these volumes as pure 3 Stooges.  The solo shorts are a "wait & see" situation.

As late as this summer it was planned to have all 3 Stooges shorts out on DVD by the end of the year, which is the 75th anniversary year of the 3 Stooges signing with Columbia.  Needless to say, there has been a delay in street dates.  I can not go into more detail at this time, as I write this things are still in flux, but the final set is on the books for a release.


If things are still in flux, does that mean we will not be seeing Volume 8 for a while? With only 1 more volume to go, I'd hate to see Sony risk sales by leaving a long gap between releases. This set is hot now. It's the right time to keep going and make this available on the heels of the last release. Fans have anxiously been waiting for a complete set of their shorts. I hope 2010 is finally the year when it happens.
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