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post #31 of 213
9/1/09 at 3:20am
I'm disapointed they arn't going to release the solo Shemp and Joe Besser shorts, I was looking forward to them.
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post #32 of 213
9/1/09 at 4:08am


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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post


There are plans for only one more volume of shorts, at the
moment, which will cover all the remaining Three Stooges
shorts in Volume 8.

 


That's the best way to go, IMO. I don't think that the Joe Besser period would sell as well, and it's a good idea to have the remaining Shemp features on the same disc, to balance things out.
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post #33 of 213
9/1/09 at 7:33am


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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi View Post





That's the best way to go, IMO. I don't think that the Joe Besser period would sell as well, and it's a good idea to have the remaining Shemp features on the same disc, to balance things out.

Probably right Joe.  I mean, those solo Shemp & Joe Besser films would be a blast to see, but they really aren't Three Stooges films.  I think the Besser films combined w/ the remaining Shemp's make for a truer conclusion to the Three Stooges "Collection". 

As far as bonus material, there are TONS of other actual Three Stooges films (newsreels, TV appearances, commercials, etc.) that could have been used as bonus material.   The idea of solo Joe Besser films never really struck me as logical bonus material anyway (though I'd love to see them & wouldn't complain if included).
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post #34 of 213
9/1/09 at 1:05pm
I'm sorry if this already has been asked but if these Stooges collections are selling really well and they're remastered in high definition is there a chance they will be released on Blu-ray soon? I'm not trying to turn it into an Blu-ray discussion, but I was just curious about it.
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post #35 of 213
9/1/09 at 1:14pm
I can go either way regarding the solo shorts and films.  But I would like to see all of the Joe shorts released.
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post #36 of 213
9/1/09 at 3:59pm


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Originally Posted by Brian Borst View Post

I'm sorry if this already has been asked but if these Stooges collections are selling really well and they're remastered in high definition is there a chance they will be released on Blu-ray soon? I'm not trying to turn it into an Blu-ray discussion, but I was just curious about it.
 

My guess would be that, while Blu is always an option down the road, there needs to be significantly more market penetration before it's even worthwhile.  These things are selling well while SD still controls 90% of the market.  The implication is that Blu sales would only be about 10% of the SD sales...likely a losing proposition.

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post #37 of 213
9/1/09 at 4:03pm
I'm a Blu-ray owner and fan, and yet even I would say these look good on SD.
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post #38 of 213
9/1/09 at 8:52pm
I would imagine it'll happen someday. Sony was very smart to do their remastering in high def.
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post #39 of 213
11/9/09 at 2:35pm

Any reviews yet?

 

Almost every short on this collection is new to DVD.  

Plus some are in widescreen and / or in 3D.  

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post #40 of 213
11/10/09 at 11:31am
I just picked it up at Best Buy, but haven't yet had a chance to play any of the discs.

Harry
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post #41 of 213
11/10/09 at 12:13pm
Watched the two 3D shorts earlier.  Not a bad processes and I saw very defiant 3D effects that came out good.  The opening was priceless. 

I have never seen either of the two shorts in 3D or in 2D and enjoyed them, in fact, I can not remember seeing any of these shorts so this collection is going to be a very happy experience.  But a couple of the shorts seem a little soft.
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post #42 of 213
11/10/09 at 12:34pm
For reference, the first disc is all standard 1.37:1 width. 

Disc Two starts with "Spooks!" and "Pardon My Backfire" presented first in 2-D and then 3-D.  Both are widescreen 1.85:1 ratio.

Then there are two academy ratio (1.37:1) shorts, and all the rest on Disc Two are widescreen (1.85:1).

Harry
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post #43 of 213
11/10/09 at 6:27pm
Got it today and watched Spooks! in 3-D first thing.  What had always been a goofy silly short was suddenly a lot of fun, with all the gimmicky in-your-face 3-D effects, that I always knew were there but could never enjoy.  I had a lot of fun and laughed a lot watching it.  Can't wait to watch the next one!  This is truly a first class presentation by Sony.  These releases have been thoroughly top notch quality and these shorts in 3-D are just extra icing on the cake.
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post #44 of 213
11/10/09 at 6:46pm
Got my copy too. Have already watched a bunch of them. I must say "Listen Judge" was fun to watch. I also loved "Corny Casanovas" when they are working on the couch. Just one more volume and the shorts will be complete on dvd. I'm actually a big fan of the Joe shorts. So I'm very eager for the final volume. Have always loved Joe. He's a riot!
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post #45 of 213
11/10/09 at 10:41pm
I wonder which side of the 3-D Negative was used for the 2-Ds - The Left or The Right?
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post #46 of 213
11/11/09 at 1:01am
That choice doesn't have to be consistent from scene to scene.


Cees
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post #47 of 213
11/11/09 at 7:09am
Has anyone noticed that in the opening for "Spooks!" you can actually see the black clothes the Stooges are wearing as Larry runs up to the camera. You never saw that when it was on television. I think that was the point. It wasn't meant to be seen. It's funny to see all of these effects clearly on dvd right down to how they created the effects. I guess you could adjust the contrast on your set if you wanted to mask the methods for the effects.
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post #48 of 213
11/11/09 at 8:27am

Can't wait to read a review for this! The 3D shorts sound exciting...

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post #49 of 213
11/11/09 at 4:37pm


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Originally Posted by Traveling Matt View Post

Can't wait to read a review for this! The 3D shorts sound exciting...


Sony hasn't sent us a screener for Vol. 7, so we don't have a review up.

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post #50 of 213
11/12/09 at 11:51pm
Two things: I've seen screencaps online. The short "Goof on the Roof" has horrible cropping at the top of the frame. During one gag, Moe's entire face is cropped off! They also show a full frame comparison. The cropping seems consistent at the top and bottom of the frame. How could the director frame this knowing Moe's face would be cut off, ruining the gag? Also, it doesn't appear that Spooks! has been printed in sepia for this release.
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post #51 of 213
11/13/09 at 8:55am


They couldn't master SPOOKS in sepia because it was converted to the anaglyph 3-D process. It was only sepia in the original dual-strip (left/right) Polaroid release in 1953.

Edited by Bob Furmanek - 11/15/09 at 3:17pm
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post #52 of 213
11/13/09 at 4:36pm
GOOF ON THE ROOF is one of the best Shemp shorts, IMO.  One of my very favorites in the entire Stooge canon.

This is one of the reasons I was concerned with insisting that these later shorts were all done in OAR for the DVD -- I didn't want them to screw up. I'd settle for GOOF ON THE ROOF in full frame rather than being cropped so badly.

Now - I wonder if Sony would recall these and "fix" GOOF ON THE ROOF? Hey, things like this have happened before. And all during these Stooges releases Sony has never been anything other than professional and willing to listen to the fans and give them what they want. This may be possible. It seems like Sony is determined to make this entire run of shorts PERFECT.
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post #53 of 213
11/13/09 at 4:45pm
I agree. I'll bet they would fix it if someone would contact them and let them know of the problem.
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post #54 of 213
11/14/09 at 4:48am
Sony is continuing to monitor the feedback our members
provide.  Grover Crisp, VP of Asset Management and Film
Restoration for the studio has asked me to post this on his
behalf:
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We are well aware of how this particular short looks framed for 1.85.   There are, indeed, shots that are tight as has been mentioned, but there are many shots where this is not the case.   This short needs to be seen moving, like all movies.  Whether or not the film was shot entirely for projection at 1.85 or not, the film was unequivically intended to be shown by the studio widescreen and that is how it was released to theatres.  So, we decided to take the most historically accurate approach for this DVD as we have all along and release it widescreen as originally shown.   We could have taken liberties with the framing here and there during the transfer to basically make it look more like the whole film was framed wide, but that would not have been a very accurate or authentic way to do it, and, frankly, would have been a bit of a cheat.  The main title sequence was created for widescreen for the initial theatrical release, as will be obvious, and when it is framed and lined-up for normal transfer and let it go, some shots are tight, many not, and that is the way it was shown.  We don't think it is any less funny because of it.
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post #55 of 213
11/14/09 at 10:45am
Thanks for that. I guess my concern wasn't that the width was correct, but whether the placement of the frame was correct. It sounds as if that is the case.
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post #56 of 213
11/14/09 at 2:14pm
Oh, man, I hate when stuff like this happens. I have not watched all the shorts on this set yet -- and I do appreciate the efforts to keep things "historically accurate" -- but seriously, this is fast becoming the new "pan & scan." Yes, I get that this is how they would have looked in a theatre. I get that. But tell me why it's BETTER to see LESS of the image (with NO full-frame option)? Can't they come up with a format where the whole image is there, but you can frame it for 16:9 if you choose? I am so glad I recorded all the shorts from local TV years ago.

Not that I don't appreciate having these shorts anthologized with the great overall care they have received. I know we're not all the way to the finish line, but it looks like one day soon, it will be possible to own the complete Columbia Three Stooges shorts from a legitimate source, and that is a wonderful thing. Ditto for the 3-D shorts in 3-D. There are so many things I could say about this whole series, and I never thought any of this would ever happen.

But come on -- they even give us a choice of "Spooks" and "Pardon My Backfire" in 3-D or not in 3-D, but no full frame option? Why, I oughta...
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post #57 of 213
11/14/09 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Y View Post

But tell me why it's BETTER to see LESS of the image (with NO full-frame option)?


I can't speak specifically to these shorts but generally, it's because they composed their shots to be seen at 1.85:1. You're not intended the extra info at the top and bottom of the screen.
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post #58 of 213
11/14/09 at 2:35pm
Ok, so according to Grover Crisp, fixing framing issues in Goof on the Roof would be "cheating", and not "historically accurate", nor "authentic"..

It is a shame the studio hadn't taken the historically accurate stance when it came to pitch-tweaking the audio during the climactic chase scene in "The Hot Scots"!

The film ran fast and the audio should have run fast, as well. The scene plays properly in "Scotched in Scotland", though, which is, indeed, historically accurate.
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post #59 of 213
11/14/09 at 2:54pm
Ultimately I'm just glad we're getting these sets to begin with. Being so close to the end, hopefully the next (and perhaps final) volume is right around the corner. Besides GOOF ON THE ROOF, the widescreen presentation generally looks good.
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post #60 of 213
11/14/09 at 5:28pm
Is there a way that Sony can fix the audio issue with the aforementioned short? It is part of the gag. Maybe include it on the next volume of shorts for the fans...after all, this is a "fan collection."
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