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post #91 of 104
8/5/09 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by Brent M View Post

All you have to do is look at the ridiculous lightsaber colors in ESB and ROTJ to see that much better work needs to be done.
 


I'm pretty sure that the lightsabers are a redone effect so it's not an error on Lowry's end.
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post #92 of 104
8/5/09 at 10:05am
Actually I'm almost 100% positive it's been said that those lightsaber color changes were a result of Lowry's work and not a change Lucas made to the films himself. It had something to do with the colors getting all screwy when they did the restoration.
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post #93 of 104
8/5/09 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by Brent M View Post

Actually I'm almost 100% positive it's been said that those lightsaber color changes were a result of Lowry's work and not a change Lucas made to the films himself. It had something to do with the colors getting all screwy when they did the restoration.
 


You definitely could be correct but I don't see how Lowry's work would create that noticable of a change to the lightsaber effects but not have the same noticable difference on similar effects like a laser blast from an X-Wing or TIE Fighter, etc. That being said, I could be 100% wrong here.
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post #94 of 104
8/5/09 at 11:45am
Supposedly, Lowry doesn't handle the color correction. So it would be Lucasfilm's fault, then.
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post #95 of 104
8/5/09 at 12:48pm
It was Lucasfilm with the color correction.
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post #96 of 104
8/5/09 at 12:56pm
Well, all we know for sure is that it was either Lowry or Lucasfilm that did something strange with the colors in the OT and it certainly would be nice to have them corrected when the films come to Blu-Ray.
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post #97 of 104
8/5/09 at 1:05pm
It wouldn't surprise me if they did correct the colors, although, I don't have an issue with them as they stand today on the DVDs...but I know they are incorrect.

As for the argument, I think people are wasting their time on this debate.  It's not that he can't (despite what he says in public), he just doesn't want to and I understand his point of view on it.  I think it's sad for him to see the original trilogy in their theatrical editions as incomplete work, considering what it gave him.  But, from the experience of making them and having to live with those "problems" for thirty years, I understand Lucas' need to fix them.  And, I honestly think that when they do eventually hit Blu-Ray, these fixes will be the last.

I'm off the opinion that the Special Editions haven't changed anything about the films...thus, I prefer them.  But, I sort of  understand the need of film buffs and fans of this series to have the theatrical cuts of the Original Trilogy films.  

But, again, I wouldn't hold my breathe unless something has fundamentally changed in Lucas' thinking in the last few years towards the theatrical cuts.

I'm actually more curious about the eventual changes to the Prequels, especially Episode II.
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post #98 of 104
8/5/09 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by SilverWook View Post

After what I saw on the THX-1138 DVD, I fear Lucas is beyond giving a damn anymore.

The changes there aren't even mentioned. Unlike the Star Wars special editions, there are no credits for those who created the new scenes. I presume it was ILM?

In the making of documentary, Lucas talks about how they used real locations to create his futuristic underground world, over a shot of a CGI cityscape! Are we supposed to think that effect was achieved back in 1970?
Yes.  It looks pretty good, but it is no longer a "70's movie".  Certainly not a subtle change, like the sky in American Graffiti.  There is absolutely no excuse in changing any form of art.  Once it is finished, a painting, novel, movie, or music should remain as it was when completed.
An artists mindset will certainly change over 20-30 years, and the tampered version could be damaged by adding to it(Star Wars).
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post #99 of 104
8/5/09 at 2:52pm
So Dylan can't rework "All Along the Watchtower" & the Dead can jam on "Dark Star" (p,i,).
Yeah right!!!
You've forgotten its "the artists" work; not yours.

Having posted that: I want "original" releases of movies & music (I'm thinking of what the newly remastered Beatles are going too sound like) too.
It's certainly within the artist "right" not too; just why not show some respect/appreciation for the fans that got the art too the heights it enjoys today (as others have posted).

What a mess!
Frustrating over the past decade (plus) to present; for a creation that has given so much joy in the past.
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post #100 of 104
8/5/09 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by Ed St. Clair View Post

So Dylan can't rework "All Along the Watchtower" & the Dead can jam on "Dark Star" (p,i,).
Yeah right!!!
You've forgotten its "the artists" work; not yours.
 
The artist can do whatever they want to do, of course.  But to make an alteration of an art form, and then make it the singular presentation(different) of that art....is just wrong.  To use a   possible poor analogy, the New Coke failed miserably because people hated the fact the soda they enjoy drinking was suddenly entirely different.  Well soda isn't art, but I think it is along the same lines of principle. 
I understand Lucas included the original trilogy of the Star Wars films as "bonus features" on the last dvd release.  A slap in the face would have been better.  What self respecting home theater enthusiast watches a non anamorphic, non 5.1 surround release of any movie of that caliber? Insulting, and cruel Lucas is
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post #101 of 104
8/5/09 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by Brent M View Post

Well, all we know for sure is that it was either Lowry or Lucasfilm that did something strange with the colors in the OT and it certainly would be nice to have them corrected when the films come to Blu-Ray.
I have a feeling that not much more work will be done on the SEs for their eventual Blu-ray release, and that they'll probably look a lot like the HD broadcasts.

Having said that, I'm one of the few that wasn't terribly bothered by somewhat dark, blue-ish transfer of the 2004 DVDs (the sound problems bothered me a lot more- especially the missing music from the Death Star approach).

If they had been the original versions of the films (with corrected sound), I would have considered the color/black-level problems an acceptable trade-off. But, as it stands, I never watch the '04 SE DVDs. If I need a SW fix I watch the non-anamorphic '06 discs.
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post #102 of 104
8/6/09 at 12:55am
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What self respecting home theater enthusiast watches a non anamorphic, non 5.1 surround release of any movie of that caliber?

The kind who would rather watch the films they grew up loving as opposed to a hackneyed butcher job of one of the most important film trilogies in science fiction history. The only reason I bought the 2006 releases was so I could retire my LD player and still watch the original original trilogy. Yeah, I would rather they be anamorphic, but I take what I can get.
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post #103 of 104
8/6/09 at 1:19am
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Originally Posted by Worth View Post

I read an article a while back about the relationship between Lucas and Spielberg. One thread that ran throughout it is that Lucas has become increasingly insular over the years - using his money and power to do exactly as he likes, with little interest in the input of others. Spielberg, on the other hand, has remained collaborative - often seeking out the opinions of others and synthesizing and incorporating the ideas of others into his own work.

Obviously, that's just one particular author's take on it, but it sure seemed to ring true to me.
 

Sounds about right to me.  After all, Spielberg wound up making what was in effect Kubrick's last film, far removed from what we would generally consider Spielberg movie, whereas Lucas, even as producer, vetoed an Indy IV script that everyone else involved seemed to be very happy with (i.e. the Darabont one).
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post #104 of 104
1/17/10 at 5:57pm
When you folks mention the color problems with the 2004 DVDs, are you including the "crunching" that this article describes:

http://www.starwarslegacy.com/site/pages/Editorials.html

I always suspected a New Hope looked too dark in a lot of scenes and if it wasn't for this site below, I would've accepted it as part of the restoration.

http://www.aptirrelevance.com/otscreenshots/

I hope all of these problems are addressed in any upcoming Blu-Ray release.
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