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Connecting the dots...
Now that cinema retro and some online sources have some details that we didn't have before...
2) The magazine article adds a detail that the rare Grimm print comes from a collector in Australia, and mentions often such prints were abandoned in the theatres after the initial run. An article at IN70MM http://www.in70mm.com/news/2012/mitchell/index.htm profiles what has to be that same collector, including a picture of Grimm projected in 3 strip in his backyard cinema. The fact that his screen shows a narrow center panel flanked by two wider side panels is explained by a shot of his booth, in which the portals are all in a row, making the sides spread further from the throw angle. Mention is made about the prints typically being left behind after initial runs, which explains the existence of his prints. He also mentions aging of the prints and himself, has limited his screening them, sounding understandably weary of the effort and expense necessary to store and run those prints. He made a point of saying the upcoming discs would be an easier way to view the movies... without mentioning that Grimm is the only one not being transferred. I'd say fans owe him quite a bit of gratitude for allowing the Grimm print to be shipped all the way to England...
Another article online promises to show an "archival" print of Grimm at the Cinerama Dome this fall. http://www.in70mm.com/news/2011/cinerama/index.htm We can figure it's the same print unless someone announces otherwise. "Archival" doesn't sound like a print a collector has been holding onto, so who knows? Unfortunately, there hasn't been much in the way of unified communication among people close enough to today's Cinerama projects for us to draw any sure conclusions so we are left with speculation.
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I was at that screening. The 3 projectors were in one box which does inded account for the "narrow' centre panel.

If any of you are wondering how does the TCM broadcast compare to the above image, the sides and a bit of the bottom are cropped on TCM. Check it out here - http://cineramahistory.com/grimmtcm.htm
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Okay, Fellow Home Theatre Enthusiasts...

This discussion began by expressing interest in seeing The MGM/Cinerama film
THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF THE BROTHERS GRIMM
on BluRay in Smilebox format.

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Whether you think it is probable, unlikely, technically possible, or prohibitively expensive...
It can't hurt to at least express your interest!

If you WANT this movie on DVD or BluRay you can stand up and be counted as a potential customer...

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by writing (on paper) to:
Warner Home Video - 4000 Warner Blvd - Burbank, CA 91522
(every physical letter counts more than a hundred electric ones)

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or sign the petition online at:
http://www.change.org/petitions/warner-brothers-home-video-please-release-the-wonderful-world-of-the-brothers-grimm-on-dvd-and-blu-ray

And tell all your Wonderful World of Friends to sign up, too!

Thank you to our Wonderful Friend Greg for the image, and our Wonderful Friend Roland for the Resources
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This is a little off topic,but if you are into old film theatres, they are bringing back "The Loews Kings Theatre" in Brooklyn N.Y..Thats' where Babara Streisand saw all the movies as a child. But don't buy your tickets yet, it won't be ready til 2014! If I am still alive I will go.
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This is a little off topic,but if you are into old film theatres, they are bringing back "The Loews Kings Theatre" in Brooklyn N.Y..Thats' where Babara Streisand saw all the movies as a child. But don't buy your tickets yet, it won't be ready til 2014! If I am still alive I will go.

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Needs a lot of work.
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Well, I've booked my ticket for the Bradford Festival - mainly because of South Seas Adventure which I've always wanted to see because I've made so many wonderful trips down there. I do hope HTWWW is in better shape than it was a few years ago (they say they have replaced various sections) and it'll be interesting to see a 70mm print of Ryan's Daughter. And of course there is Grimm and my old pal Kevin Brownlow giving a lecture on triptychology.

Ordinarily one wouldn't be seen dead in Bradford, one of Britain's ghastliest cities though there are a few spectacular vestiges of Victorian civic architecture.
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Well, I've booked my ticket for the Bradford Festival - mainly because of South Seas Adventure which I've always wanted to see because I've made so many wonderful trips down there. I do hope HTWWW is in better shape than it was a few years ago (they say they have replaced various sections) and it'll be interesting to see a 70mm print of Ryan's Daughter. And of course there is Grimm and my old pal Kevin Brownlow giving a lecture on triptychology.
Ordinarily one wouldn't be seen dead in Bradford, one of Britain's ghastliest cities though there are a few spectacular vestiges of Victorian civic architecture.

Ha! Yeah, I've heard stories of covered up storefronts and tumbleweeds blowing down deserted streets, Pictureville, like a little oasis in the desert. Theatre itself seems like a nifty place. Safe trip! Please take lots of notes and maybe pictures so we can have your detailed report here. Please spread the word around among your friends there about the WWotBG petition!
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Needs a lot of work.

Much less work than the OCN for WWotBG It seems! smiley_wink.gif
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Okay lady and gentlemen, before this thread gets deafened by crickets, a wunnerful little musical interlude for you, from the bubbly band of Lawrence Welk!

So Sippa your Geritol anna think of the love-a-lee lennon a-sisters...


an a 1 anna 2...



anna don' forget the wunnerful petition for the Wunnerful World of the Brothers a-Grimm!
http://www.change.org/petitions/wonderful-world-of-the-brothers-grimm-on-dvdbluray
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Thanks so much for that clip. Not only brought back memories of Saturday nights of long ago, but I just love the main title tune, even if Welk was playing it a little under tempo for my taste.

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Thanks so much for that clip. Not only brought back memories of Saturday nights of long ago, but I just love the main title tune, even if Welk was playing it a little under tempo for my taste.

Oh it was my pleasure to entertain you! I think Welk even did a recording of that theme, 'cause when I googled it something came up that looked like a reference to a record.

On that extended soundtrack album are an alternate take and a couple more variations...

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Another very good recording is on Don Costa's "Hollywood Premiere" LP. It has quite a bit more zip to it than Welk's.
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Oh it was my pleasure to entertain you! I think Welk even did a recording of that theme, 'cause when I googled it something came up that looked like a reference to a record.
On that extended soundtrack album are an alternate take and a couple more variations...
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Oh, yes, in the clip, Welk mentions that the song was reocrded for his best selling "Baby Elephant Walk and Other Movie Themes" album.
 

 

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Meanwhile the petition to show interest in a video release now has signatures from FIVE different countries...

http://www.change.org/petitions/wonderful-world-of-the-brothers-grimm-on-dvdbluray
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From the WAC Facebook page.  This asked and responded to yesterday.  Not good news. 

 

Deleted posters name  Whatever happened to "The Wonderful World Of The Brothers Grimm" that was announced LAST February? I hear the archival Cinerama print that will play the Widescreen Weekend Film Festival in England in April and at The Cinerama Dome in September is in excellent shape!

 

 

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      Warner Archive Collection There was never any announcement regarding a release of GRIMM. The comments made were just the opposite. We have no release planned as the original negative to portions of the film have damage that needs extensive repair. If there is an archival print scheduled to play theatrically, that's news to us, but theatrical activities do not involve WAC.

 

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From the WAC Facebook page.  This asked and responded to yesterday.  Not good news. 

Deleted posters name  Whatever happened to "The Wonderful World Of The Brothers Grimm" that was announced LAST February? I hear the archival Cinerama print that will play the Widescreen Weekend Film Festival in England in April and at The Cinerama Dome in September is in excellent shape!
 

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      Warner Archive Collection There was never any announcement regarding a release of GRIMM. The comments made were just the opposite. We have no release planned as the original negative to portions of the film have damage that needs extensive repair. If there is an archival print scheduled to play theatrically, that's news to us, but theatrical activities do not involve WAC.



Maybe when we meet with them in October we can talk about it.
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Maybe when we meet with them in October we can talk about it.


I hope so.  This would be a great release.
 

 

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I hope so.  This would be a great release.

 

Out of curiosity, what's going on in October?
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Out of curiosity, what's going on in October?

Hollywood Meet 2012 - http://www.hometheaterforum.com/f/57605/hollywood-2012
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From the WAC Facebook page.  This asked and responded to yesterday.  Not good news. 

Deleted posters name  Whatever happened to "The Wonderful World Of The Brothers Grimm" that was announced LAST February? I hear the archival Cinerama print that will play the Widescreen Weekend Film Festival in England in April and at The Cinerama Dome in September is in excellent shape!
 

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      Warner Archive Collection There was never any announcement regarding a release of GRIMM. The comments made were just the opposite. We have no release planned as the original negative to portions of the film have damage that needs extensive repair. If there is an archival print scheduled to play theatrically, that's news to us, but theatrical activities do not involve WAC.

Again their reply contradicts what we have learned (from trusted source) regarding the actual (minimal) extent of negative damage, and ignores the existence of a composite 65 negative. At worst they would have to reprint just a few parts from the YCMs, and the composite 65mm neg probably needs no repair at all. Therefore the "extensive repair" claim is invalid.
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Will be shown on TCM - May 03, 2012 @ 5:30 PM (EST)
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Will be shown on TCM - May 03, 2012 @ 5:30 PM (EST)

EXCELLENT! Great catch, Roland! Will you be able to DVR it in HiDef now? I wish TCM HD came to DTV by then.
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TCM HD still does nt broadcast any actual hd material. It's all upconvert.
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TCM HD still does nt broadcast any actual hd material. It's all upconvert.

Understood but it's gotta look better than the fuzzy windowboxed stuff I get. I rarely watch it since I got an HD screen.

And with today's technology, RL should be able to get better images than his existing VHS caps for his site to compare with the LD and 3 panel composite.
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Like a lot of unavailable movies, you can put this one on your Netflix save list. If a studio has a decent transfer (or even a halfway decent one) they can now earn extra revenue on these obscure titles by making them available for streaming. And if they notice a lot of activity on such titles they might consider some kind of release...

Adding this movie http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/The-Wonderful-World-of-the-Brothers-Grimm/70060398 to your save list costs nothing and who knows where it will lead. I could name several unavailable movies that were never released on video and they are now streaming here...

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And the international petition for a DVD/BlyRay release is still here:
http://www.change.org/petitions/warner-brothers-home-video-please-release-the-wonderful-world-of-the-brothers-grimm-on-dvd-and-blu-ray
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Like a lot of unavailable movies, you can put this one on your Netflix save list.

Netflix has basically stopped buying new copies of lesser-known titles, especially in Blu-ray. You can no longer depend on them to perform the function of a reasonable library.

As to their streaming service, the titles are pretty much random and the quality is seemingly totally unvetted.

If Brothers Grimm comes out on Blu-ray (or even DVD), we should simply buy it. There is no point in waiting for Netflix to do something about it, even in cases where they have an established place holder in their system.
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Netflix has basically stopped buying new copies of lesser-known titles, especially in Blu-ray. You can no longer depend on them to perform the function of a reasonable library.
As to their streaming service, the titles are pretty much random and the quality is seemingly totally unvetted.
If Brothers Grimm comes out on Blu-ray (or even DVD), we should simply buy it. There is no point in waiting for Netflix to do something about it, even in cases where they have an established place holder in their system.

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Netflix has basically stopped buying new copies of lesser-known titles, especially in Blu-ray.

So? that's not the point right now.
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You can no longer depend on them to perform the function of a reasonable library.

Again not the point. Actually I have seen quite a few obscure not on video titles pop up in the past few weeks since they lost the Starz deal. They lost hundreds of titles and they have been making new deals to replace them.
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As to their streaming service, the titles are pretty much random and the quality is seemingly totally unvetted.

You're a cup half-empty kind of guy, huh? Actually I don't see you realizing there might even be a cup.
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If Brothers Grimm comes out on Blu-ray (or even DVD), we should simply buy it. There is no point in waiting for Netflix to do something about it, even in cases where they have an established place holder in their system.

Oh but there IS a point. Unavailable movies have turned up as streaming options, sometimes with perfectly decent quality, but the quality isn't really the point. The more people who put this title on their list, the more interest is indicated, the more likely a title is to be added. As I said before, I have seen previously unavailable obscure titles pop up on my streaming list after I had them on my save list. I have spoken to Netflix reps who have confirmed that is absolutely something they consider. Once a title is put in the streaming list, the more people who watch it, the more indication of interest there is. And studios looking at those numbers are more likely to release something that they see getting some action. Baby Steps, not a great deal of effort needed, gets one further than sitting on an overloaded diaper...

So one could make the tiny effort of clicking on that icon, which actually doesn't force anyone to wait for anything, and could possibly result in having some version of that movie to watch easily at will, which could also possibly increase chances of it getting released, or one could just sit around and do nothing but piss on every other idea that comes along. I choose the constructive option, as I have learned that at least a little effort is more likely to produce results than no effort. It HAS worked for me before. What does naysaying accomplish for anyone?
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You make some good points. And I have enjoyed quite a number of movies on Netflix streaming--sometimes even in HD--that couldn't be seen any other way. Here's an example: The 1956 film War and Peace starring Henry Fonda and Audrey Hepburn. It's a flawed movie in many ways, but one I'm glad I've seen, and seen in HD, because of netflix. It seems that the chances of it getting a blu-ray release are low. I've enjoyed several other movies that way.

I don't think, however, that Netflix pays the kind of money that would allow a restoration of a damaged Cinerama film like this one. But still if it showed up on netflix I'd sure watch it! I'll put in a request next time I'm at my account.

So, long story short, I've changed my mind to some degree.
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