I gotta think it's a style thing.
Good Kosinski interview from Collider (43 minutes in IMAX, holy crap!) Spoilery, as well.
http://collider.com/joseph-kosinski-interview-tron-legacy-tron-3-reshoots-easter-eggs/66520/
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I gotta think it's a style thing.
Good Kosinski interview from Collider (43 minutes in IMAX, holy crap!) Spoilery, as well.
http://collider.com/joseph-kosinski-interview-tron-legacy-tron-3-reshoots-easter-eggs/66520/
I did see it IMAX late last night, and it was a very dreamlike experience. If this was a trilogy, it would be The Empire Strikes Back in terms of being a darker film than the original. Maybe the animated series will answer the unanswered questions that percolated in my head overnight. I guess I'll wait until the official discussion thread starts up to avoid oceans of blacked out spoiler text to ask them.
In the spirit of the season, I post a link to some game grid holiday cheer, and spoofing more than one franchise. 
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/5aaba22e7f/the-1982-tron-holiday-special
Joe K being interviewed on various things :
http://collider.com/joseph-kosinski-interview-tron-legacy-tron-3-reshoots-easter-eggs/66520/
I’ve heard this from one or two people. Something that everyone is raving about is the pairing of your movie with Daft Punk, people are just going bananas for it. Of the songs that you used in the film, are there a lot of unreleased tracks that were made for this film that will maybe be eventually released?
Kosinski: Yeah. We had to lock the album like two months before I finished the movie. So, when I was mixing up at Skywalker, the song that I put in the Solar Sailor sequence isn’t even on the album. And then one of the songs we do in the End of Line club we hadn’t even written yet. So there’s a song in the End of Line club, the one where Zeus says “Change this game all to the mood, electrify the boys and girls” the song that kicks in there and goes all the way up to the black guard fight, that song’s not on the album, that’s in the movie only. It’s a really cool song, it’s a really industrial rock kind of pounding. And then the Solar Sailor song, which is one of my favorites, I don’t think is on the album either. It’s actually a version of the first demo they ever gave me in 2007. It’s this very kind of arpeggiated thing that’s all in the surrounds, and it’s for that whole Quorra operation sequence, and then the song that was there I put in the end credits. And that’s the one that made it on the album.
You mentioned to me that they gave you like 26 demos back in the day. I have the soundtrack, I don’t think there’s 26 tracks…
Kosinski: No, no I’ve got a bunch of demos that we just never fit in the movie, there’s a lot of great stuff.
So you basically don’t know what may or may not happen with the unreleased songs?
Kosinski: No I imagine those two songs that we finished for the film will eventually come out as some sort of bonus track or special edition. But that wasn’t a calculated thing, literally when the album had to be printed those songs weren’t in the movie yet, so that’s why those exist. But in terms of all the demos, yeah I don’t know what’ll happen to those. Only I have ‘em and Daft has them. I don’t know if they’d ever want them released.
I’m sure that maybe one day, in the Daft Punk b-sides collection.
Kosinski: It’s pretty cool stuff.
Someone wanted to know about a live concert with the movie, with them. Any chance of that happening?
Kosinski: Yep. I love that idea. I’m actually just trying to get them to do a version on the Blu-ray where you can just do soundtrack and images, but for some reason I heard they can’t do that because it somehow impedes on the album sales or crosses some line. I was trying to get them to do a version of the movie that way, cause I thought that would be a cool option on your Blu-ray, to just say “soundtrack.” ‘Cause you know, in a mix the soundtrack kind of dips down to make room for dialogue, but if you just hear the soundtrack at full volume with the visuals I think would be a really cool kind of, something to just put on in the background.
I think people could just do it on their own, a la Wizard of Oz and Dark Side of the Moon or The Wall
Kosinski: Yeah but the mix I did for the movie and a lot of the edits, and all of this granular stuff just isn’t on the album. And like I said there’s a couple tracks that just aren’t on the album at all, and the mix is different.
Sounds like we have an answer to those missing tracks then
I don't recall ever being interviewed about this film.

The biggest strength of this film was the soundtrack. It was amazing and fit the material; although, at times it did seem to reach the point of being bombastic. The visuals were also a strength; although, unlike the first film, I didn't really see anything cutting edge. The visuals in this film were basically just refinements on the original and just demonstrated the growth in computing power when it comes to CGI graphics. Visually, there were lots of nice homages to the original film with the reappearance of the light cycles and the command ship. Flynns' hideout also gave off a few "2001: ASO" vibes, at least to me.
The story was serviceable; although, the parts involving TRON were not very well developed. It is bizarre that the character the film is named after received zero character development, especially in a sequel that takes place years later.
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In this film, all he is is some sort of Darth Vaderish character that suddenly goes through some unexplained conversion, because he mentally hears a voice yell "Flynn". Trons part in this film is arguably one of the worst things about it.
All in all, I got everything I expected out of this film. A two hour trip revisiting the world of TRON with the bonus of a slamming soundtrack supporting it all. I do agree that there wasn't enough of the light cycles. I'm giving this one a B+
Yeah, I definitely made that connection as well.
I didn't make the connection at the time (knew that it reminded me of something), but once you said that, the connection was made that my mind was reaching for when watching the film.
Saw this last night (SPOILERS AHEAD)...
Liked Jeff, liked Bruce, liked Olivia Wilde (YOWZA!), liked the main Light Cycle battle, liked the return of the Solar Sailor and Command Ship, liked the opening setup connecting the new film to the original (confession here: I'm a big fan of the original).
However, these good points are inevitably undone by the following headsmackers:
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The Grid isn't nearly as colorful as in the original TRON; too many blues, whites, blacks and greys. A much blander landscape.
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Unmemorable, extremely repetitive score by Daft Punk, which ain't remotely a patch on Wendy Carlos' work.
Bland, competent, unmemorable leading man.
Too talky and overlong.
The 3D was absolutely STINKO LOUSY ROTTEN, and I saw it at an IMAX. This smacks of post-production conversion. The 3D trailers they showed before the film were astounding, however.
Finally, and most unforgivably: the character of Tron (you know, the character that the goddamned films are NAMED AFTER) was completely thrown away.
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What the HELL were they thinking?
Huh. I really liked the reprogramming of Tron into Rinzler angle. The return to his original programming was a bit sudden (it's right after he first sees Kevin Flynn in the Lightjet for a reason), but I thought it worked for the story quite well. And we get enough resolution for this film in my mind, which is that he's turned back into Tron (turning Blue-lighted at the very end when in the ocean), and that if Disney can do another story they have something in mind (since Kevin Flynn is, you know, dead).
Also, it was shot in 3D, not converted, though obviously there's a lot of animation going on.
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Thanks. Otherwise, I'll have to stop reading this thread until I can see the movie. :)
Well, since I guess we're not using spoilers anymore...
As I mentioned earlier, the Tron (the character line) was interesting, but I think the payoff should have been stronger. With no guarantee of a sequel, I would have liked a more satisfying resolution.
I thought a lot of the choices made for the design of the Grid were interesting and fit well within the timeline of the story. Remember, it was created within the following few years after the original story and then stagnated (and even backtracked) once CLU took over. The fact that the Arcade was part of it was most definitely a narcissistic choice on the part of Kevin Flynn. I could see him doing that.
The digital world was shot 3D, whereas the real world was shot 2D. It was an intentional choice ala using color for Oz, but not for Kansas.
I think the people making the film understood what they were doing. I don't think they were hacks. It's just that people disagree with some of the creative choices that were made.

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Thanks. Otherwise, I'll have to stop reading this thread until I can see the movie. :)
There needs to be an official discussion thread. The movie has been out for a week and a half and we shouldn't have to be spoilerizing everything anymore.
Likewise, "Review" thread, that is spoiler free :)
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It's been twenty years in the "real" world, which is a heck of a lot longer in "grid" time. (In the first film, Flynn could have been in there for days, and going by the shot of Dillinger's office, the sun was just coming up when he got out.) Things change and evolve. I fully expected it would look different, and some simulations would improve. The subdued colors could also reflect the state of things under Clu's rule. Flynn obviously would have digitized things like the books to take back with him into the system. (A nice nod to the ending of George Pal's version of "The Time Machine"?)
I'd like to know how Flynn got the digitizing laser into the basement of the arcade. (Did Encom abandon research on it?) It seemed to take an entire lab building full of equipment to run it in the first film. In Legacy, it seems to be hooked up to smaller version of Dillinger's computer desk. What happened to Yori, Dumont, and all the programs left behind on the "old" Encom system? And Flynn's computer must have one heck of a stable power supply to run undisturbed for two decades in a basement!
I would have liked more of Tron. If they're saving him up for a third film, the filmmakers must be awfully confident the studio will greenlight it. I think his true programming was fighting to resurface once he realized he was fighting a user in the arena, finally seeing Flynn snapped him back. I don't think anyone is "dead" for certain. Flynn's kid got out with his father's identity disk, and he may have copied everything else off the computer into the memory card he put around his neck.
The biggest plot nit for me was how was Clu going to materialize that troop carrier into the real world? The laser is sitting in a basement!
Dillinger's son on the Encom board must be the mother of all red herrings, unless he also figures in a third film. For that matter, if Ed Dillinger isn't dead, he probably didn't do too much jail time and could even be running a rival company.
I've been a Daft Punk fan ever since I saw the "Interstella 5555" anime. I enjoyed the soundtrack, although I imagine they were told not to emulate Wendy Carlos for whatever reason.
And I agree with Edwin, major 2001 vibe on Flynn's apartment hideout. Even the "old" lightcycle evokes Bowman's space pod parked in the corner.
Am I the only one who got really nostalgic seeing a honest to goodness video game arcade? Disney should turn some of their mall stores into "Flynn's". 

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It's been twenty years in the "real" world, which is a heck of a lot longer in "grid" time.
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My understanding was the "new" Grid was a fresh start and was created over about 6ish years (end of TRON till Flynn disappears) and seemed to have been somewhat isolated. When CLU takes over, the creation taking place in the Grid stagnates and even deteriorates, ie CLU's destruction of the only true internal innovation. Afterall, the programs just stick to their programming. They aren't users and thus do not create The innovations that the real world experienced over those twenty years didn't make it into the Grid due to a combination of network isolation and the stagnation.
I also agree on the 2001 vibe. First thought that popped into my head when I saw the place.

Huh. I really liked the reprogramming of Tron into Rinzler angle. The return to his original programming was a bit sudden (it's right after he first sees Kevin Flynn in the Lightjet for a reason), but I thought it worked for the story quite well. And we get enough resolution for this film in my mind, which is that he's turned back into Tron (turning Blue-lighted at the very end when in the ocean), and that if Disney can do another story they have something in mind (since Kevin Flynn is, you know, dead).
Also, it was shot in 3D, not converted, though obviously there's a lot of animation going on.
The quote function doesn't appear to be working properly; I tried to quote Brandon's post above. At any rate, if this was actually shot in 3D (I know the real-world stuff was shot in 2D) then there's absolutely no excuse for it being so lousy.
Re: the lame half-hearted Tron subplot:
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This sequel simply fails to do justice to the characters of the first film, and it also fails as a 3D spectacular.
I finally saw this last night and really enjoyed it. I found it to be a worthy followup considering the original is close to 3 decades old now. I wasn't very impressed with the 3D (which is pretty much the only reason I bothered to see this in the theaters), and I thought the digitized young Jeff Bridges looked more like a video game character than a real person. I also wasn't thrilled with the character of Tron as "The Stig" (Top Gear fans should get that). But I did like the updated Grid, managing to make it both familiar and new, and the storyline (at least inside the machine) worked for me.



