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In an effort to aid in the understanding of what makes a "quality Blu-ray," the point cannot be made too often that Blu-ray is merely a system that plays back discs on which data has been pressed or burned.  It's a holding device, in many ways no different than a bottle used to hold liquid.

One can fill that bottle with pure mountain water, with impure water from a poor city system, or for that matter with a nice Chateau Petrus.  It's still a bottle filled with liquid.

The nice thing about Blu-ray, as opposed to standard definition DVD, or even Toshiba's HD system, is that it can hold enough data to allow for extremely high quality reproduction of motion pictures in a home theater environment.

While a "quality Blu-ray" can be shiny, bright and clean -- think a Pixar release -- it can also be dark, grimy, grainy and low in the areas of color saturation, contrast, blacks and whites.  The important thing is that it should look as closely as possible to the original film or video elements and their intended look when printed to positive stock or run as video or data.

A "quality Blu-ray" does not necessarily take on the visual parameters of a high def baseball game.

Whether mastered from 16, 35 or 65mm film, from data files or HD recordings, Blu-ray has the capability, but no guarantee of reproducing the original to a stunning degree.  While the debate may continue, those with an understanding of cinema need only take a look at the dregs of data pressed to Blu-ray, ie. The Longest Day, Patton or Gangs of New York.

I much prefer viewing series television on Blu-ray, generally waiting until seasons appear and then jumping in.

Battlestar Galactica is totally new to me.  While I'm aware of its various incarnations and permutations, 1978 TV movie and TV series, the 2003 mini-series, and most recently the series that ran from 2004 through March of 2009, I'd never seen a moment of it until earlier today when my son suggested I take a look after he heard that I had Season 4.5 in my possession.

First, something that will be no surprise to fans of the series, I like it.  This is superb entertainment.  Second, let's discuss the look, textures and audio of BG on Blu-ray from Universal, and why I've appended the same prologue that I've used for 12 Monkeys and Midnight Express.

According to Imdb Pro, Battlestar Galactica is shot both on 35mm film (kodak Vision 500T) as well as HD, with the final results taken to D5, and then down to what we're seeing on Blu-ray.

Those results, when projected on a screen of reasonable size work beautifully, allowing for an image of far greater resolution and detail than seen in HD broadcasts.  What one will also see, especially in dark scenes, is a healthy amount of noise, but that noise is part of the image, as intended by the filmmakers, and as made.  Well lit sequences, and they abound -- are gorgeous -- not gorgeous as in Lost, but gorgeous as in Battlestar Galactica gorgeous.  Am I making my point?  Audio, reproduced uncompressed as DTS-HD Master data is perfect.

My sample viewing comes from the Blu-ray Season 4 release, and I'm now realizing that I've got to go back to the beginning before I get further into this, and start correctly with 2004 and Season 1.

Am I slightly embarrassed not to have been exposed to this earlier?  Possibly.  What matters is that it's now available on Blu-ray, as it was meant to be seen.  Fans of the series are going to be thrilled.

Highly Recommended.

RAH

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post #2 of 96
Make sure you start with the 2003 mini-series actually, which essentially is the first 3 episodes of the show.
post #3 of 96
 It took me until spring of 07 to get up the enthusiasm to give the show a shot. I rented out the first season in the spring, and quickly barreled through that and the next season. Six months later, when the first season was announced for HD DVD, I didn't hesitate to order it, and in a VERY rare move for me, I devoured the entire first season again. I  NEVER re-watch anything that soon, and in the 10 years of collecting DVDs, this was the first and only time so far that I've rewatched an entire TV season.
Fortunately, those HD DVD sets were notoriously QC compromised, and after sending the second set back for problems, Amazon refused to ship any more replacements and so I've been patiently waiting for this day. I still haven't seen the last half of the last season- and the first half of it did have some noticeable weak points and believability gaps, but man-oh-man were those first 3 seasons a hell of a ride.
I know from my experience with the HD DVD set, that despite the abundant, sometimes overwhelming, noise in many scenes, there is still oodles and oodles of eye candy on display in here. Drop dead gorgeous, highly dimensional imagery...and all in the service of intelligent, quality content. You can't ask for much more.

well...I suppose you could ask for sensible, form follows function packaging, but that sort of seems churlish at this point 
post #4 of 96
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris View Post

According to Imdb Pro, Battlestar Galactica is shot both on 35mm film (kodak Vision 500T) as well as HD, with the final results taken to D5, and then down to what we're seeing on Blu-ray.
 

My understanding is that the miniseries was shot on 35mm, while they moved to HD for the series proper.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the complete series set when it comes out soon. I like the earlier seasons better than the later ones, but I'm still looking forward to giving the whole series a rewatch. I hope you find it as fulfilling as I did. 
post #5 of 96
Is all of BSG on Blu-Ray now? I watched the entire series on DVDs from a friend's DVR, that recorded analog cable. It was low quality.

Rewatching BSG on Blu Ray is one of a few things that will get me to buy a Blu Ray player.
post #6 of 96
 A Complete series Blu-ray set will be released on the 28th, along with Season 4.5 on Bd.
post #7 of 96
I'd glad to see the complete series is being issued on BD, but, I may be in the minority here, I am going to wait for the Complete Series 2.0, which will inevitably be released eventually, containing The Plan and the 2009 webisodes. Battlestar is going to be to Universal what Star Trek has been to Paramount, in terms of home video releases.
post #8 of 96
I'll be picking up 4.5 in Blu and waiting for them to re-release the seasons individually as my bank account can't afford to get this in all one go.
post #9 of 96
Thankfully my statement closing date comes before the release of this.  I'll have to watch my expenses next month because of this big hit, but I just couldn't miss this.  I bought season 1 in HD-DVD and have been waiting for the full series on HD with great anticipation (just couldn't manage to watch on Sci Fi network).
post #10 of 96
As much as I'd love to indulge the fantasy of buying the complete box set - I can neither afford nor justify such a purchase. The extras are identical to the dvds - and an A/V upgrade is not enough (for me) to justify putting down $220. I will, however, happily buy the BD release of Season 4.5. I'm glad they're doing that for people who are happy with the rest of the show on dvd. Watching Daybreak in full HD is going to be incredible.
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As much as I'd love to indulge the fantasy of buying the complete box set - I can neither afford nor justify such a purchase. The extras are identical to the dvds - and an A/V upgrade is not enough (for me) to justify putting down $220. I will, however, happily buy the BD release of Season 4.5. I'm glad they're doing that for people who are happy with the rest of the show on dvd. Watching Daybreak in full HD is going to be incredible.

I agree, it doesn't justify it. But that's why you flog your old copies on Amazon/Half.com/eBay. ;)
post #12 of 96
You're not helping.

;)
post #13 of 96
 I'm glad I resisted the urge to buy any DVD sets, now I don't need to unload any.

If the last half of the last season is anything like the first season I saw on HD DVD, I think Jack is going to be tempted to replace all the other sets after he finishes 4.5. No hyperbole here- I though many of the planetary and space vistas were as impressive as anything in seen in the Planet Earth set. Just spectacular HD imagery.
post #14 of 96
DeepDiscount's 25% sale will still be going on when the set releases next Tues 7/28 .
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DeepDiscount's 25% sale will still be going on when the set releases next Tues 7/28 .

True, but what are the odds that they're going to jack the price up on Tuesday? I'm pricing some stuff out, and even after discount Amazon's cheaper for some stuff (like Order of the Phoenix).
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True, but what are the odds that they're going to jack the price up on Tuesday? I'm pricing some stuff out, and even after discount Amazon's cheaper for some stuff (like Order of the Phoenix).

Oh I don't know. Going by past sales, I don't think they'll jack up the price just that day before or people will be mighty PO'ed and they have the potential to lose a lot of faithful customers over this single item alone. I think they are aware of what items are due for a lot of purchases, for example, they didn't raise the price of the Star Trek: TOS 1 set and they were already one of the lowest prices on the net.

We'll just have to wait and see.
post #17 of 96
 The price on the Midnight Express Bd actually went down on release day by a few bucks. There's a good chance that the BSG set will stay at that price which would make it a hell of a bargain.

BTW- They also have a great price on the ST Motion Picture Collection as well now with the extra 25% off. well over 50% off of msrp.
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Does anyone know if Caprica is included in the Blu-ray box set?
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Does anyone know if Caprica is included in the Blu-ray box set?

It is not.
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I think I will be holding off until I see what kind of packaging is going to be used for the individual season releases.  I'm definitely not crazy about the complete series packaging, and since I've been watching this show from the beginning, I doubt I will be revisiting it immediately anyway.  I will own it at some point however, as I love the show.  It is one of the best series of all time in my book.
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I think I will be holding off until I see what kind of packaging is going to be used for the individual season releases.  I'm definitely not crazy about the complete series packaging, and since I've been watching this show from the beginning, I doubt I will be revisiting it immediately anyway.  I will own it at some point however, as I love the show.  It is one of the best series of all time in my book.

That assumes that they'll be going back and doing individual season releases. Given Universal's poor track record in releasing other shows in high-def at all, I wouldn't count on them doing a rerelease of this.
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I think I will be holding off until I see what kind of packaging is going to be used for the individual season releases.  I'm definitely not crazy about the complete series packaging, and since I've been watching this show from the beginning, I doubt I will be revisiting it immediately anyway.  I will own it at some point however, as I love the show.  It is one of the best series of all time in my book.

After i saw the packaging that The Digital Bits posted, i cancelled my Blu-ray box set order. For over $200 i should get more than cardboard, inside of more cardboard. I hate anything with a cardboard slip pocket. I know Blu-ray discs dont scratch easy, but i dont like dragging ANY discs out of a damn cardboard pocket!

I know, its the show that matters. But for collector pricing, i want quality packaging. LOVE the Star Trek season One Blu-ray package!
post #23 of 96
I have season one on HD DVD (no problems with it yet), so I'd rather not have to buy the complete set if I can avoid it.  If I can't, I'll wait a while for the price to come down (or my salary to go up--one can hope, right?).
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After i saw the packaging that The Digital Bits posted, i cancelled my Blu-ray box set order.

There's a shot now? *goes to look*

Bloody hell! And he thinks he likes it better than the thinpak DVD cases? 

I'm thinking about joining you in that. Especially since I can't find multidisc cases for sale anywhere.
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There's a shot now? *goes to look*

Bloody hell! And he thinks he likes it better than the thinpak DVD cases? 

I'm thinking about joining you in that. Especially since I can't find multidisc cases for sale anywhere.
 

Bloody hell is right. Now I'm even more resolved to go with the individual 4.5 release (it looks like it'll follow a similar packaging design to the dvd release). Even if I do eventually cave in and buy all the other seasons on BD, at least it'll be safe, reliable packaging. I really don't like the look of those packs AT ALL.
post #26 of 96
 there is a post in a thread over on Blu-ray.com that has about 20 shots of the packaging from all angles. It seems like Universal could have easily used 3 double disc thin packs for each season and laid them on their side, rather than the 4 multi-disc cardboard accordion folders. 
It also looks like the outer box doesn't fully seal when it isn't fully telescoped. 

I'm not crazy about the packaging either, but I'm eager to get the show in as complete a form as possible and be done with it. I can always order 10 double sided regular Bd cases at some point and easily make my own jackets up. In any case the box will go in the closet with the cylon head from 6 years ago.
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That assumes that they'll be going back and doing individual season releases. Given Universal's poor track record in releasing other shows in high-def at all, I wouldn't count on them doing a rerelease of this.
I thought Universal already psuedo-announced individual season sets of this series?

http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Blu-ray_Battlestar_Galactica_Single_Season_Sets_in_August/4988

I don't think these are coming in August after all though.  They may not see a release until next year, but my general point was I can wait.  It isn't like this set is going to sell out, and if it does you better believe they'll either a) make more or b) release them individually.
post #28 of 96
There will certainly be another release of the complete series with The Plan included. It may be in a year or two or three, but it will come.
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There will certainly be another release of the complete series with The Plan included. It may be in a year or two or three, but it will come.
 


Maybe but it'll most likely be the same exact set but with The Plan in it. I'm not waiting years just to possibly save $20 and to get The Plan in the same box as the rest of the episodes. If anything, I'll pick up the series set and wait for the extended version of The Plan that Olmos has talked about.
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I thought Universal already psuedo-announced individual season sets of this series?

http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Blu-ray_Battlestar_Galactica_Single_Season_Sets_in_August/4988
 
I'm not seeing domestic releases on Amazon, just imports from... well, no idea. Not Europe, at any rate.
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