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Sony ES owners; A.F.D. Auto soundfield question

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hello Sony owners.  I'm having trouble and need some help.  In my GUI Menu, I've set my 5.1 system to a A.F.D. Auto setting.  However, if I playback my Blu-ray version of Pirates of the Carribbean 1 in uncompressed format, my Sony ES plays it back in only 2.1 (L,R, Sub) -- that is, only these lights are lit on my Sony's front panel display.  So, I thought uncompresses was the best and with A.F.D. Auto set, it would playback to all 5.1 speakers.  Am I correct in this thinking???  If I switch it off of A.F.D. Auto to Enhanced Surround mode, I get all 5.1 speakers lit up on my receiver front panel.  Am I doing something wrong her trying to coordinate my Blu-ray software and my ES hardware settings?  Please advise.  Thank you in advance!
post #2 of 13
It's playing back 2.1 because you are only getting stereo from whatever Blu-ray you are using.  This can be for a variety of reasons.

Please list:
model # of receiver
model # of Blu-ray player
connection between Blu-ray, receiver (HDMI / optical / coax)
which track you are trying to play (Pirates has uncompressed 5.1 PCM track + Dolby digital 5.1, the first definitely isn't going to work if you are connecting via other than HDMI; SPDIF is limited to 2 channels for PCM uncompressed audio)

It is most likely how you connected combined with which track you picked, other possibility is various audio settings in the Blu-ray player.

The "enhanced surround" is just creating 5.1 from the 2.0 source, but isn't what you really want to be doing.
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks Stephen ... my receiver is the DA3400ES and my Blu-ray player is PS3.  HDMI used through-and-through.  I've selected the the uncompressed 5.1 PCM track from the Pirates software.  When I play the movie, I can see the receiver display scroll "Linear PCM [ 48]", but still only see my L, R, and SW speakers lit.  I tired another disc, Iron Man, and selected the TrueHD track, same thing, 2.1.  Thoughts/comments???
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
OK ... figured it out (with your help above).  I needed to set some audio settings on the PS3 HW side to enable output those audio types.  So, I'm good to go!  However, it seems like the PS3 does not support output of TrueHD.  Am I correct?
post #5 of 13
It's probably audio settings on the PS3.  Make sure your PS3 firmware is up to date, and make sure:
settings-video settings-BD/DVD audio format is set to "linear PCM", and
settings-audio settings-HDMI set to "automatic".

If the "automatic" doesn't work, then try it with all the DD/DTS/LPCM options checked.
post #6 of 13
Looks like you beat me to it and fixed your issue.  The PS3 decodes DD+, TrueHD, DTS-HD internally, and outputs it as LPCM, but won't bitstream the raw undecoded compressed streams.  So you won't see the "TrueHD" etc. lights on your receiver.  End result should be identical in theory.
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 

Hi Stephen ... if I recall, I do think I have a bitstream output from my PS3.  When passing audio signals to my ES3400, wouldn't that be the better option vs PCM -- to let the receiver do the work?

post #8 of 13
The PS3 will only bitstream the older DD/DTS.  It won't bitstream TrueHD/DTS-HD.

No, it's not a better option than PCM, in theory it should be identical.  It is analagous to asking a computer to uncompress a zip file.  If you have 2 computers as you essentially do here, it makes no difference in the end whether the first computer unzips then sends to the second, or if it sends the zipped file over & the second one uncompresses.  This type of thing only matters when the link in between the machines is too slow to send the uncompressed data in a timely fashion, but HDMI has way more than enough speed.

Actually decoding in the player has the small advantage of being able to mix in secondary audio sounds (PIP commentaries, menu beeps), that you lose if you bitstream.
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks ... my thinking was that my ES receiver's internal circuitry may be "better" at processing the bitstream vs having my PS3 do it.  Since, afterall, it is one of Sony's "higher-end" components.  But, if at the end of the day, I'm not going to notice any difference -- well, then PCM it is!  :)

Thanks for the comments! 
post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
Another question -- what is the best way to update my PS3's firmware?  How do I know what version I'm on?  Where can I find the software?  How can I upload it to my PS3?
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
Oh, and one other question back to the PCM discussion ... what happens when I play an older, non-BR DVD with these settings?  Will decoding of DD 5.1 work?  Or, will I need to switch the PS3 settings back to something else to play these older DVDs correctly?
post #12 of 13
You can look for the version in the menus.  There should be options to update if you have it hooked up to your LAN & going out to internet.

DVDs, older DD/DTS will also be decoded to LPCM.  Decoding of 5.1 will work perfectly fine.  What might be tricky is a few old *DD 2.0* only surround discs (BD or DVD).  I don't have a PS3 so I don't know for certain, but from what I have read, I think if you have PCM output set then it might decode these to 5.1 but with all but the 2 front channels silent, preventing you from applying prologic in the receiver to get surround.  For these it might be right to switch to bitstream so you can have prologic II mode on.  Firmware update may eventually address this.  Or maybe I'm just totally wrong about this, please someone with a PS3 correct me if this is bogus. Bill you can find a DD 2.0 DVD and test it.

But it may not be worth the hassle since these are often dialog-driven, non "spectacular action surround sound" normal dramas, comedies, foreign films, documentaries. Rather than action/comic book/"things blown up real good" stuff which are usually remastered to 5.1+ even for older films.
post #13 of 13

let me explain what AFD is on Sony.  Very misunderstood and very few people actually understand it.  Horrible name Sony gave it but i will clarify what Sony cannot do.

 
There are 3 settings for AFD and ONLY 3 settings.  You basically can choose between these 3 settings. 1 of the 3 covers multi channel input and then 2 of the 3 is where you can make a choice.
 
OPTION 1 - AFD AUTO: 
When you set your Sony to AFD AUTO you are telling the Sony to play the audio EXACTLY as what the source was encoded at.  When a multi channel audio signal is being input into the receiver such as Dolby 2.1 and above. Dolby 2.0 will NOT trigger the AFD because it needs more than 2 channels to trigger the AFD.
***** This is critical to understand the following as most people screw this up.  When you have it set to AFD AUTO and a multi channel signal is being input you CANNOT change the AFD settings.  What this means is that if there is Dolby 2.1 and above or any codec that is more than 2 channels the Sony will automatically play the AFD at whatever the source was encoded at.  Example 1: if you are playing a DVD or something that is enoded with DTS 2.1 or Dolby 2.1 then the source was only encoded with 2 channels and a sub channel.  This means that if you leave your Sony set at AFD AUTO then you will ONLY hear sound out of your front 2 speakers plus the sub channel.  The AUTO means the receiver will play exactly as encoded thus in this example only the front 2 speakers get sound.  Example 2:  if you are playing a DVD with Dolby 5.1 then you are stuck with a maximum 5.1.  However, if you have fewer speakers the Sony receiver will only output to what you have configured in your speaker setup configuration.  
 
There is an Exception, and I go into this below.  You CAN artificially fake additional speakers beyond what is being input into the receiver by setting the AFD to AFD E-SURROUND.  In E-SURROUND, as I go into below, if the audio signal is encoded with MORE speakers than you have configured AFD E-SURROUND will then use the settings you have set up in the GUI MODE->SETTINGS->SURROUND->ENHANCED SURROUND MODE.  This section you can choose between Neural THX, Neo:6, and ProLogic II or ProLogic IIx.  ProLogic II will only be shown if you have 4 main speakers and ProLogic IIx will be shown if you have 6 main speakers.  I prefer Neural THX as it is more natural.  But, this screen, as mentioned in more detail will trigger the additional speakes you have configured IF and ONLY IF the audio input from the DVD or other source is encoded with fewer speakers than what you have encoded.  Read more below.
 
OPTION 2:  AFD E-SURROUND:
This is probably the most used screen in my opinion.  As mentioned above this section is set in your Sony receivers SURROUND->ENHANCED SURROUND MODE section.  This section ONLY comes into play when you have your receiver turned to AFD E-SURROUND.  What this section does is you are telling the receiver what you want to do when an audio signal coming into the receiver is encoded with LESS than the amount of speakers you have configured.  All the options given:  Neural THX, Neo:6, or ProLogic II or ProLogic IIx are all surround sound codecs that convert 2 channel audio into multi channel audio.  as mentioned above I believe that Neural THX sounds more natural with better true surround sound decoding out of the flatter sounding 2 channel audio input.
 
Example 1:  lets say you have an old CD being input that is ONLY 2 channel left to right stereo input.  No modern multi channel audio encoding.  If you were to leave the receiver set to AFD AUTO then all you would hear is just the front 2 speakers because that is what AFD AUTO does, play exactly as encoded.  However, in AFD E-SURROUND, the codec you have chosen (either Neural THX, Neo: 6, or ProLogic II) will take that 2 channel CD audio and try to extract out portions of the audio and convert it to surround sound - simulated or "enhanced" surround sound and thus E-SURROUND.  This works better for movies.
Example 2:  older DVD that is Dolby 2.1.  Older DVD's that are only Dolby 2.1 are still considered multi channel audio because it has the .1 subwoofer channel.  As with the first example in AFD AUTO all you will hear are the front 2 speakers and the sub channel.  But, in AFD E-SURROUND the audio signal will be broken up and some of the audio signal will be interpreted as possible areas to be moved to the rear speakers.  If you have your speaker configuration set up as 2 front and 2 rear speakers in a 5.0 or 5.1 setting and you have your E-Surround set as either Neural THX or Neo:6 or ProLogic II then you will get some surround sound on the rear speakers.  If you have your speakers configured with 2 front and 4 rear speakers for a 7.0 or 7.1 setup and you have your E-Surround set to ProLogic IIx then you will get some sound out of the very rear speakers.
 
OPTION 3:  AFD MULTI STEREO:
This is the option I leave my sony receiver at because it gives me the best of all worlds.
 
AFD Multi Stereo does NOT look at your E-SURROUND settings at all.  Instead this setting does 1 of 2 things.  If you audio signal is coming in as a multi channel audio and your blue light appears then it acts just like AFD AUTO and plays the audio just as it was encoded.  HOWEVER, where this AFD Multi Stereo comes into play is when a standard 2 channel audio signal is being input into the receivers.  2 channel audio could be linear PCM, 2 channel left and right stereo, or 2.0 Dolby or 2.0 DTS.  When the receiver is set to MULTI STEREO and a 2 channel audio signal is input you are telling the receiver you want to simply DUPLICATE the front speakers audio output to the rear speakers.  Basically, all left speakers sound the same and all right speakers sound the same.  This might be the best option for basic AM/FM radio or even Satellite radio input where music does not have encoding for surround sound.  Since all the left speakers are duplicates of each other and all the right speakers are duplicates of each other you are increasing your sound output because you are increasing the number of speakers that are playing the same music.
 
I hope this helps explain what the AFD settings are on the Sony.  I have posted this for the last 2-3 years on forums just like this and have helped many sony owners understand what Sony cannot explain very well.
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