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Oppo BDP-83...I'm getting shadows???

post #1 of 12
7/10/09 at 4:36am
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Originally I had a Samsung 1500 blu-ray player. I decided to upgrade to a blu-ray player that also played SACD and with the help of this forum I went with the Oppo BDP-83. I started with the Transformers on blu-ray and I can tell an improvement over my Samsung 1500 in picture quality. Last night my girlfriend and I watched My Bloody Valentine 3-D (we watched the 2-D version). We both noticed shadows sometimes when people would turn their head or their feet when they were walking / running. I had the same thing with my Samsung player until I got the settings straightened out on my TV (Sony 52" XBR4)...but that was over a year ago. I assumed everything was ok when I hooked the Oppo up. And I did go through and adjust some of the settings. I'm wondering If I changed a setting that I shouldnt have. Or didnt change one that I should have. Any ideas???
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post #2 of 12
7/10/09 at 5:20pm
 So you mean color blotches on the face or stuff like that?  Depending on the firmware, the switcher from 1080/24 to 1080/60 can cause issues.  If so you can either get the firmware update or turn the TV off an on.
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post #3 of 12
7/10/09 at 5:48pm
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i wouldnt say color blotches on the face. more like the picture is trying to catch up to the actor...lol. does that make sense??? I think ive seen it called clouding before.

how would I do a firmware update?
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post #4 of 12
7/11/09 at 5:49am
If you are referring to halos around the images, you may have the sharpness setting on either the TV or the Oppo (or both) set too high.
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post #5 of 12
7/11/09 at 6:56am
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my tv was calibrated professionally. After it was done it made a night and day difference. and that was over a year ago. I highly recommend it.

I havent touched the picture settings on the oppo...they are all set to 0.
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post #6 of 12
7/11/09 at 7:34am


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i wouldnt say color blotches on the face. more like the picture is trying to catch up to the actor...lol. does that make sense??? I think ive seen it called clouding before.

how would I do a firmware update?

It depends on the display.  My projector can only be done by the manuf. and I've opted not to bother with it.  If I have a 1080/24 movie I just watch the extras if I do so on another system afterwards.  Gives me an excuse to use the secondary bedroom or basement systems versus the main system.  You can try the Oppos setting to not display 1080/24 and see if he issue goes away if it is set that way already.  Then you will at lease have eliminated one possibility.
 


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post #7 of 12
7/11/09 at 10:16am
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How do i know if I have a 1080/24 movie? And would that be on Blu-Ray and standard dvd...or just one or the other.

Can you explain the 1080/24 a little more too?
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post #8 of 12
7/11/09 at 11:32am


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How do i know if I have a 1080/24 movie? And would that be on Blu-Ray and standard dvd...or just one or the other.

Can you explain the 1080/24 a little more too?

DVDs are 480 lines not 1080 but the Oppo does upscale and it has options in the set-up.  24 refers to the frames per second as per  this short old article - http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/30/ps3-to-get-upscaled-dvds-1080p-24-sacd/   Some displays (my proj.) for example w/o a firmware update when it switches from 1080/24 to 1080/60 (I can turn the proj. off and then back on and it is fine) almost make things look like those commercials with realistic cartoon people. I can live with it (I don't want to send it off to Calif.) as the proj. looks great.  If it has a real problem and needs to go off for repair I'd have it done.  w/o seeing your set-up all I was suggesting is to quickly change the set-up in the Oppo's menus and see if the problem is still there.  It is just a quick way to eliminate or confirm one possibility.




 


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post #9 of 12
7/11/09 at 12:14pm
You can look on the back of the Blu-ray box to see if it's 1080p, most will be.  Or look up online review of the Blu-ray, they often comment/list technical specs.  No standard DVDs will be 1080p, those are all 480i.  24fps is the std frame rate for film, so practically everything that was shot on film can be played back at 24fps.  The film-based DVDs also, the Oppo's video processor can recover the original frames (as long as the encoding isn't really screwed up)

Before the 1080/24 stuff came out, TVs in the U.S. were all were based on 60 frames/fields per second.  Since that's an uneven multiple of 24, basically some frames are shown 3 times while the alternate frames shown 2 times, called "3:2 pulldown".  With the 120hz TVs, you can now input 24 fps and just show each frame 5x (or interpolate, depending on "AMP/Motionflow" type settings, you may want to disable motionflow as that might be responsible for artifacts you are seeing).

Some newer films/TV are being shot on HD video, and some of those are 24fps also.  Live TV shows though (sports, talk shows, some concerts, reality shows), and some series but not all, are shot on video rather than film.  Especially for older shows a lot of those are 480/60i or 1080/60i or 720/60p, these won't be shown at 24fps.
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post #10 of 12
7/11/09 at 2:05pm
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I do know a little about 1080p vs 480i and whatnot. I've just never heard of it called 1080/24 before. I've also heard of 24fps and that is how films are taped. I guess I should have put the two together...lol.

PS3
DirectTV
TV: Sony KDL-52XBR4
Reciever: Onkyo TX-SR606
Center Channel: Kef Q9c
Front: Kef Q7
Rear: Kef Q1
Blu-Ray Player: Oppo BDP-83

Everything is hooked up to my receiver via HDMI. Then I have one HDMI cable going from the receiver to the TV.

I'm a little confused to as why my Samsung 1500 didn't have the artifacts like the Oppo is having. Maybe the Samsung is just better at upconverting standard DVD to HD???
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post #11 of 12
7/11/09 at 2:43pm


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Originally Posted by stud_wit_style View Post

I do know a little about 1080p vs 480i and whatnot. I've just never heard of it called 1080/24 before. I've also heard of 24fps and that is how films are taped. I guess I should have put the two together...lol.

PS3
DirectTV
TV: Sony KDL-52XBR4
Reciever: Onkyo TX-SR606
Center Channel: Kef Q9c
Front: Kef Q7
Rear: Kef Q1
Blu-Ray Player: Oppo BDP-83

Everything is hooked up to my receiver via HDMI. Then I have one HDMI cable going from the receiver to the TV.

I'm a little confused to as why my Samsung 1500 didn't have the artifacts like the Oppo is having. Maybe the Samsung is just better at upconverting standard DVD to HD???

I don't think so.  I have a Samsung 2500 in the bedroom and had it in the main system for a couple of mos. waiting for the Oppo to come out.  The Oppo is a bit better upconverting, although the 2500 is quite good.  How about the PS3?  Does that have the same issue?  Have you swapped HDMI inputs and cables into the rec'r to see if that is the issue?  As I noted in previous posts, check the video set-up of the Oppo.  Page 47 of the manual.  You can set 1080/24 off and 24 off for DVD upconversion and see what impact that has.  You need to go through the process of elimination.  I also have a PS3 in the basement system which I use just for Blu-Ray.
 


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post #12 of 12
7/11/09 at 7:43pm
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I have the 1080/24 set to Auto (I jsut assumed it would select which was best at the time if i had this set to Auto) and I've been playing with the 1080/24 DVD upconversion setting turning it on and off with the same scene. I think I get less artifacts with it Off...but its so close its hard to say for sure.

I use my PS3 just for gaming. I know its weird...LOL.
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