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post #31 of 41
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This should settle the issue.  The fact that both Lee and Dickerson approved this transfer explains the matter. 

To be honest, I've been a little taken aback by comments on various boards where people have been opining that Spike Lee would sit by quietly while one of his movies was being presented in a fashion he didn't want.  In some places, I read comments where it was stated that the lack of comments must mean that Lee was unhappy with the new transfer.

I hope this will explain the situation and put everyone on the same page.
post #32 of 41
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Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich View Post

For what its worth I asked someone last week at Universal to do some digging about the transfer.  I just heard back today:


 

That's good to hear. Is this source reliable? In the sense that was it someone involved with the film or the transfer itself? I would hate for it to be just someone at Univeral saying, "Yeah, it's approved, etc.", just to ease Internet chatter and possibly not admit a mistake (if that were the case - not saying).

And if indeed this is the case, I wonder how it would compare to Dracula. There they have said that the new release is different because it's the first time they've been able to get close to the look of the OAP. I accept that, and I like the new transfer a lot.
But it's a lot more different than a simple color filter chang/white balance as seems the case here.

In this case, it seems more simple - just a color filter difference that was prevalent across the whole film. Added to this is the fact that Dickerson approved the Criterion 2001 DVD. And in 2001, the technology was there if he wanted a cooler look (if that were indeed the way the OAP looked). So is this just a bit of revisionist? I'd be fine with that if someone involved with the film says why and how, etc. Maybe Spike (as he says in the documentary) feels the atmosphere in NY since 1989 has gotten a lot better, so it's "cooler". Not sure. Just a wild guess.




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post #33 of 41
Thread Starter 
The source is reliable.  It's a person at Universal that deals with these matters, in a position to know about this question.  It's not someone just idly speculating without basis.

I'm not sure about how this compares to the Dracula situation, to be honest.  Other than that Coppola and company decided to make public comments about their new transfer while Spike Lee and Ernest Dickerson have not felt it necessary to do so.

And we should keep in mind that Ernest Dickerson actually approved the 1995 Criterion laserdisc.  This same transfer was anamorphically encoded for the 2001 DVD.  As I understand it, the differences between the two Criterion releases are really in terms of the addition of a few more video extras, such as the "Return to Bed-Stuy" and the interview with the editor. 

As far as the question of whether this is a revision of some kind, I agree that would be up to Spike Lee or Ernest Dickerson to address if they wish to do so.  I have read on multiple other boards that people were going to ask Lee about this at various publicity events (like his signing at Barnes and Noble in NYC), but have never heard about anyone actually asking him that question.  My only objection there has been that in the absence of public comment, some people were then assuming that this meant disapproval.  Again, if Spike Lee thought that someone had mishandled his film, I think we'd hear about that loud and clear. 
post #34 of 41
Well, if it's a revisionist situation, at least they're not going back and make *all* their films look substantially cooler too like some other cinematographer we know. 

Maybe they'll eventually decide to give us both versions for the 25th anniversary, if people continue to complain (and resist buying) enough...

_Man_
post #35 of 41
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That's good to hear. Is this source reliable? In the sense that was it someone involved with the film or the transfer itself? I would hate for it to be just someone at Univeral saying, "Yeah, it's approved, etc.", just to ease Internet chatter and possibly not admit a mistake (if that were the case - not saying).
 

Kevin already addressed this as I gave him a heads up before I posted it.  They are very reliable.  That it why it took a couple of days just to re-verify.  Keep in mind the relationship between the studios and their filmmakers is a very important one.  A studio isn't going to lie when the upside is moving an extra 200 units and the downside is severely harming or destroying a relationship with a successful filmmaker.
post #36 of 41
Any one else reminded of the color timing/brightness debate over the Image-distribbed Orion The Silence Of the Lambs DVD versus the Criterion and (later) the MGM release?
post #37 of 41
I haven't so much an issue with the color tone differences as with the fact that my copy locks up just after the 42:00 mark on two separate machines (I have to forward to the next chapter in order to continue), both of which have had the latest firmware installed. There is more freezing up at about 52:00. I have not seen this mentioned by anyone else, so perhaps I have a rogue copy...?
post #38 of 41
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I had the opportunity to meet Ernest Dickerson today at Sunset Gower Studios, and was able to speak with him about the Universal Blu-ray and the Criterion laserdisc of this title.   Ernest confirmed to me that he supervised the color timing of both the Criterion disc and the 2009 Universal Blu-ray.  He acknowledged that the original theatrical run of the film and the Criterion disc were timed with a distinctly warm filter.  He said that when he timed the Universal Blu-ray, he did not do that.  He feels the movie still looks very hot, and that the colors are quite saturated.  But this is a matter of him revisiting a movie he had not seen in many years and approaching it with his perspective today.  In response to what he heard about the complaints, he said that if there was a mistake made here, he was the one who made it.   But he didn't feel this was a bad transfer or that Universal did a bad job with the release.  He also confirmed that Spike Lee saw and approved of the release. 

 

I'm happy to finally end any speculation about this title, even if it comes 2 years after the release...

 

I am greatly appreciative of Ernest Dickerson for taking the time to discuss these issues.  He was in the middle of a day of filming and could easily have avoided this.  He is a very nice man and it's funny to hear that one of his greatest concerns regarding Blu-ray at this time is to know when the heck they're going to release Lawrence of Arabia on Blu.

post #39 of 41
Thanks for that, Kevin.
post #40 of 41
Thanks, Kevin. After the BD was released, and I read about the change in color timing, my wife needed a copy of the movie for a class. I bought her the Criterion DVD. That turned out to be a wise choice for another reason: she and her classmates had to watch it on a laptop, and it didn't have a BD drive.

However, based upon Dickerson's response, I'll definitely go for the BD if I ever decide to upgrade.

Doug
post #41 of 41

I somehow missed this update, but am now here to check for myself after the heads up from Kevin in another thread.

 

I'm still not sure what to think of the change in color timing at this time, but I'm very glad and thankful for Kevin's follow-up and having the issue cleared up on this.  I'm also very glad to see that Mr. Dickerson was so open to sharing honestly on the matter once someone like Kevin was able to discuss it (even if just briefly) w/ him to report back for us.  Certainly makes it a whole lot easier to accept this transfer as something worthy of the film even though it's probably not the original intended look.  I'm sure many, including myself, would still want an eventual BD w/ the original color timing, but I won't need to feel like this is some sort of travesty to continue to bring up, particularly wrt Universal's role here, going forward.

 

Thanks again, Kevin...

 

_Man_

 

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