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post #31 of 42

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Originally Posted by Adam_S
I don't think that had this been in place last year we would have had Dark Knight nominated, Wall*E is a possibility, but more likely than Dark Knight would have been BP nominations for films like Doubt and Revolutionary Road, in other words I expect the five other films to continue the tendancy of best picture nominees that are middle brow moderately arty fashionable dramas, rather than representing an increase in diversity across the board.
The Dark Knight had 8 other nominations. It would have easily been nominated if there were ten spots last year. Easily.
post #32 of 42

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They should of made it twenty, that way Transformers, Terminator, and Wolverine could all make the list.
post #33 of 42

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The Dark Knight had 8 other nominations. It would have easily been nominated if there were ten spots last year. Easily.

Without a doubt.
post #34 of 42

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I hope this means "Public Enemies" will be nominated even if it bombs at the box office.
post #35 of 42

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sometimes I forget how awesome the academy is. Tonight they brought Cat Stevens (aka Yusuf) back to America for the first time in thirty+ years and he played three songs from Harold and Maude for us. Fucking tremendous!
post #36 of 42

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Well we were all wondering how they were going to make room for the expanded list:
Oscarcast eliminates Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award, Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award, and honorary Oscar acceptance speeches; some years there will be no Best Song category

Another example of undermining the purpose of an awards show to make more audience-friendly television. Now granted, the Thalberg award hasn't been presented since 2001. But Jerry Lewis accepting the Hersholt Award was a highlight, as are the honorary Oscars. It looks like last year's bastardized presentation of the Best Song category was only the beginning.
post #37 of 42

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If they make the Honors ceremony available online for viewing I'm all for it. The Best Song tweak is interesting. Not sure how that will play out.
post #38 of 42
Well, this whole idea went from bad to way worse today.

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/what-hath-sherak-wrought-new-system-for-best-picture-voting-wont-express-will-of-oscar-voters

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This fall, an announcement will go out to the membership about how, on the final ballot, Oscar voters will be asked to rank all 10 nominees in order of preference, then the same complicated preferential system used to tally Best Picture nominees will be used to determine one winner. As a result, a film could be the first choice of the largest number of voters, but still not win Best Picture. Instead, it could be pushed out by another movie that got fewer No. 1 votes but more No. 2's and No. 3's. This is to ensure that a Best Picture can't win with less than one-fifth of the vote.

In other words: there is no real rundown process, the nomination IS the vote, and it basically goes into the final tally.  

 

This is complete crap, because it means any film without huge recognition has almost no chance to build any momentum.. because the voting is way long over.  More then that, the system that favors this tally method will largely benefit films which manage to please the majority, but not necessarily develop ardent advocates.

I have no idea who thought this was ever a good idea.. and can someone explain how, in an attempt to make Oscar night shorter, this will do anything but expand it into a 4+ hour snoozefest?


post #39 of 42
Oh, good grief.  We may have some genuine surprise when the winner for Best Picture is announced.

post #40 of 42
I'm an ardent supporter of "first past the post" voting systems over these proportional schemes, but:
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In other words: there is no real rundown process, the nomination IS the vote, and it basically goes into the final tally.  

 

This is complete crap, because it means any film without huge recognition has almost no chance to build any momentum.. because the voting is way long over.  More then that, the system that favors this tally method will largely benefit films which manage to please the majority, but not necessarily develop ardent advocates.

Not true. The nomination process for Best Picture consists of Academy members submitting their choices for Best Picture. The ten films with the most submissions become the nominees. In a second round of voting, which will presumably occur the same time as the second round voting has always occured, all Academy members rank the ten nominees in order of preference. It's sort of like in grade school when you pick your group partners by lottery; you put down your first, second, and third choices. Odds are, you're probably going to get your first choice since it's weighted the highest. But if not, you'll get your second choice or (if you're really unlucky) your third.

So yes, it will benefit films that are widely liked over films that are passionately loved by a small few. We'll probably see more winners like Gladiator and less winners like Slumdog Millionaire. While I think anything the muddies the intent of the voters is a bad thing, I'm not sure the final results will be worse: the formula of small films that achieve wider popular appeal winning Oscars has left the awards ceremony bordering on irrelevancy -- thus the drop in ratings.

At some point the Academy has to make a decision: is Best Picture a mechanism for the filmmaking community to acknowledge the film it collectively admires most, or is a declaration of the movie that will be remembered as most excellent down the road? If the Academy Awards remain a celebration of the filmmaking community, all of these changes are a corruption of the essential point of the gathering. If they are to be focused outward toward the culture at large, this new scheme will probably provide a better Oracle for the movie of a given year.

My guess is: the nominations get more diverse and more interesting, while the winners get less diverse and less interesting.
post #41 of 42
I have long hoped the Academy would go to a ranked system. That means the film that is truly the CONSENSUS choice of the Academy will win. What's wrong with that?? The current system has given us recent winners like A Beautiful Mind and Crash. Does anybody really believe these were the best pictures (or even close) of their year? I believe a ranked system might have turned out Fellowship Of The Ring and Brokeback Mountain instead. I know the Oscar-following members of this forum would have in general preferred those choices over the actual winners. 

At any rate, given the track record of late, it's worth trying. I may be alone here, but I like these changes to the Best Picture category.

post #42 of 42
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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt View Post

My guess is: the nominations get more diverse and more interesting, while the winners get less diverse and less interesting.
 


That's my guess too and it's even more reason for me to care more about what gets nominated rather than what wins. Not that they never get it right, I just like the idea of looking at a number of people's good work rather than saying that x, y or z is the best.
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