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post #1 of 42
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It's been a while since I've started any threads, but I saw this on the IMDB front page and knew immediately that it had to be posted:

BREAKING: Oscar’s Best Picture Nominees Will Expand to Ten – RopeofSilicon.com Movie News, Trailers, Reviews and More

So, what thoughts do you guys have on the subject? I'm torn. On the one hand, it would add some more excitement to the proceedings. On the other hand, it would multiply the disappointment by 9 (If my math is correct), because there's still going to be only one winner for Best Picture.

Sincerely,

John Kilduff...

I wonder if this means that there will be 10 director slots as well.
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Interesting. I guess I don't really have strong feelings about it one way or another, but it's certainly going to make the show longer, unless they cut something else.

I just wish they'd expand Visual Effects and Sound Editing at to five nominees instead of just three.
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Originally Posted by Bryan Tuck
I just wish they'd expand Visual Effects and Sound Editing at to five nominees instead of just three.

I think that for those, and many other categories, the number of nominees is based on the number of submitted films, so they can go up if it is warranted.
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I think this damn near guarantees Up! will get a nod, there will be no excuse this year. And that's a good thing.

I think it also means a lot of less-then-deserving films will be in contention.
post #5 of 42

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So a film with 11% of the total vote in its category could possibly win an Oscar (if the rest of the nominees get 10% or slightly less)?
post #6 of 42

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10 is a little overkill I think. Expanding it by maybe one or two slots would've been more than fine.

I think there are probably some ratings politics at work here, they want to be able to nominate some of the more popular films (like say last year's "The Dark Knight") to get people to tune in, but odds are they're not winning anyway, they're just making it look more inclusive.
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the real question.. can you name 10 movies that should be on the list at this time? I can only think of two: star trek and up. I doubt that watchmen would have a chance.

Jacob
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Originally Posted by Pete-D
10 is a little overkill I think. Expanding it by maybe one or two slots would've been more than fine.

I think this is a great idea. That's the way it was done for the first 15 years of the Oscars, through 1943, the year "Casablanca" won Best Picture.

Though I do agree there may be some politics here. A Best Picture nomination means additional income for a film. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the studios leaned on the Academy to get this done.

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Originally Posted by TheBat
the real question.. can you name 10 movies that should be on the list at this time? I can only think of two: star trek and up. I doubt that watchmen would have a chance.

Jacob
Well, no, because most of the "Oscar" films are released at the end of the year. And I personally wouldn't put "Star Trek" on the list.
post #9 of 42

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Interesting. Limiting the Best Picture category to five nominees started with the 1944 films (1945 Oscars). Before then, it was 10 for a decade, and even up to 12 at one point (years are for nominated films, not ceremony):

1927-28 – 6 (2 awards - 3 nominees for Production, 3 nominees for Unique and Artistic Production)
1928-29 – 5
1929-30 – 5
1930-31 – 5
1931-32 – 8
1932-33 – 10
1934 – 12
1935 – 12
1936 – 10
1937 – 10
1938 – 10
1939 – 10
1940 – 10
1941 – 10
1942 - 10
1943 - 10

Sure it's a marketing ploy (the Oscars themselves are a marketing ploy), but it will get other deserving films, such as small films (In Bruges), animated films (WALL*E), and deserving Blockbuster genre films (The Dark Knight) nominations.

Of course, 2009 might be the worst year to do it. So far, things are looking pretty week, other than Up. Could this open the door for something like Star Trek?
post #10 of 42

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Star Trek honestly does not deserve a nod even with 10 spots.

Yes the characters are likable and yes it's fresh (then again 5 day old tuna casserole is probably fresh compared to the relative stale Trek of recent years) ... but honestly that plot/story isn't much better than Star Trek Nemesis. Lame time travel plot device, lame villain, convenient coincidences, sometimes incoherent plotting. Even a lot of the positive reviews acknowledge the story isn't the greatest (small detail I guess).

You're really lowering the bar if the criteria becomes "well ... it was a decent summer flick so lets nominate it".

If Avatar is actually a strong film, I think it could benefit from this new "expanded field". I still think even with an expanded field, you should still have to have a strong story (not just "well it was decent for its genre or relative to expectations") to get an Oscar nomination.

If there aren't 10 Hollywood pictures worthy of a nomination then for gawd's sake, give some foreign films a shot.
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Originally Posted by Pete-D
Star Trek honestly does not deserve a nod even with 10 spots.
Deserves got nothing to do with it; it's a popularity contest made to help sell the industry.

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Originally Posted by Pete-D
If they're going to go to 10, does it mean foreign films can now be nominated for best picture?
They have always been eligible if they met the category criteria (theatrically distributed in Los Angeles within the year). Such films as Z, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and Il Postino have been best picture nominees.
post #12 of 42

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
Deserves got nothing to do with it; it's a popularity contest made to help sell the industry.


They have always been eligible if they met the category criteria (theatrically distributed in Los Angeles within the year). Such films as Z, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and Il Postino have been best picture nominees.

Well hopefully it doesn't dissolve into just anything that's a hit getting nominated.

Oscar nominations should still be reserved for films that have strong story, strong character, and some semblance of a theme. I would say even with a 10 movie field, still only the landmark "summer blockbusters" should even be considered (ie: The Matrix or Terminator 2 ... perhaps ... Star Trek or Iron Man? No).

Yes, foreign films have been nominated in the past. Maybe this means we'll see more of that. Also perhaps comedy can get more nominations now too.
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I'm all for it. Granted, I personally find the nominations more worthwhile than the winner - a list of the year's best films is useful and interesting; singling one out often feels arbitrary. I also think that having ten nominees for Best Picture but not the other awards will have positive side effects - a broader range of movies will be nominated (including more animated, foreign, and independent films - and, who knows, maybe even comedies!), for starts. I also think that will make it harder for a single movie to dominate the nominations and awards.

The Oscars are, after all, a promotional tool. It helps the industry and movies as a medium if they can be used to highlight a lot of good films, rather than just a few.
post #14 of 42

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Originally Posted by mattCR
I think this damn near guarantees Up! will get a nod, there will be no excuse this year. And that's a good thing.
I hope I'm wrong but I bet Up still doesn't get a nomination.
post #15 of 42

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Originally Posted by TravisR
I hope I'm wrong but I bet Up still doesn't get a nomination.

Oh, boy, the backlash to that would be rich.

Never say never with the Academy undermining certain genres/styles of filmmaking, but I think that would be too much even for them.
post #16 of 42

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Expect a Best Kiss Award in 2012. This is all about getting 15 year olds to watch the ceremony. I wouldn't rule out a nomination for "Year One".
post #17 of 42

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Originally Posted by Pete-D
Oh, boy, the backlash to that would be rich.

Never say never with the Academy undermining certain genres/styles of filmmaking, but I think that would be too much even for them.
I hope so. I'm sure the Best Animated category was created with the best of intentions but I think it's just allowed the Academy to not pay any serious attention to animated movies.
post #18 of 42
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It's a little long, but here's a link to Sid Ganis' press conference vis a visa this new development:

YouTube - 82nd Academy Awards® to Feature 10 Best Picture Nominees

Sincerely,

John Kilduff...

If Billy Crystal hosts next year, "It's A Wonderful Night For Oscar" will probably take 10 minutes to complete.
post #19 of 42

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This idea is just ridiculous IMHO. I can see expanding it to six or seven nominees, but ten is over the top and completely unnecessary as far as I'm concerned.
post #20 of 42

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Seem excessive to me as well.
post #21 of 42

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Add me to the list that thinks 10 is excessive, but there have been many times when I thought 5 was too limiting. For me, this past year is a perfect example. Of course, the argument can be made that no matter were you set the limit a "worthy" film will be left out.
post #22 of 42

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I think its stupid. 5 works fine. 10 will be a mess
post #23 of 42

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Originally Posted by TravisR
I hope so. I'm sure the Best Animated category was created with the best of intentions but I think it's just allowed the Academy to not pay any serious attention to animated movies.
I think without that category feature animation would be just as ignored today as it was from 1928-2000. Despite its shortcomings (which is somewhat overcome by this expansion of the Best Picture noms) it has helped feature animation gain prestige since 2001.

In general, I think this will be a good thing. As a friend of mine on another board said: "There is far more contention every year over the which is the 5th best movie of the year than which is the 10th. This will definitely aleviate some soreness over certain movies not being nominated and lend legitimacy to more films."

Every year there's the "I can't believe _______ got nominated instead of __________" complaint. Last year it was The Reader. Honestly, this reduces the chances of this being a common occurrence. Nobody would have complained about The Reader being nominated if the likes of The Dark Knight and WALL*E were also nominated.
post #24 of 42

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I would have complained if TDK or WALLE got nominated over THE READER.

I don't see it as a big deal because the Oscars aren't what they use to be. It's all about the red carpet and fashion so I'm really not sure adding five noms is going to help ratings or anything like that. Perhaps Best Rumored Love Affair or Most Unfaithful Actor would be better.

And I'm sure great movies would still be left out. BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN didn't get a Best Picture nom even though 12 were given that year.
post #25 of 42

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I think it's great. If this had been in place last year, I guarantee The Wrestler, Wall-E, and The Dark Knight would have been in. Not only would that have made me very happy, it would have increased interest and ratings.

As far as this year's crop of films, well we're not quite halfway through, and the studios do load up the final quarter with their "award-worthy" films. Up is the only film I've seen so far this year that's BP-worthy, but there are plenty of potential nominees coming.
post #26 of 42

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Just heard on TV that one of the main reasons they're expanding the field is because The Dark Knight didn't get a nomination last year. Personally, I think it should have received one of the 5 nominations as there are a couple of films in last year's field that it could have easily replaced(including The Reader), but I don't think it should be the reason they're expanding the field next year. The film has already been overlooked so this after the fact gesture is totally meaningless IMHO.
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Originally Posted by Pete-D
I think there are probably some ratings politics at work here, they want to be able to nominate some of the more popular films (like say last year's "The Dark Knight") to get people to tune in, but odds are they're not winning anyway, they're just making it look more inclusive.
I think the Academy faced pressure from both sides; the ratings have been dropping for ABC with the renewed focus on little-watched independent and prestige pictures. Getting a popular favorite or two in the running has been proven to increase ratings, because the audience has a horse in the race so to speak.

On the other hand, the studios get to advertise five additional movies every years as Best Picture nominees. The problem with that is the distinction of becoming a Best Picture nominee is diluted.

It'll be interesting to see next year if the ten pictures are still all indie or prestigue pictures. That would made a tedious result even longer and more tedious for the show's producers.
post #28 of 42

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I'd prefer, as others have suggested before, to just have two Oscar seasons in a year. The first half and then the 2nd half.
post #29 of 42

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I don't mind increasing the field, but doubling it seems a bit over the top. I realize that there's a history of this from the 30s, but it still seems a bit too much for my taste.

I think they would be better off doing something like the globes and having a best Drama/Action film and a best Comedy/Musical film or something along those lines.

Picking 1 film out of 10 will be even more arbitrary than before and will allow lesser films to win the award. This will obviously allow lesser films (i.e. more widely seen) to be in the field and the more widely seen films will be likely to get more votes.

I'll guess I'll have to wait and see how this plays out.
post #30 of 42

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Well, having seen most of the nominees from the 10-12 nominee era of best picture, I think this is a mistake and overall a bad idea.

I don't think that had this been in place last year we would have had Dark Knight nominated, Wall*E is a possibility, but more likely than Dark Knight would have been BP nominations for films like Doubt and Revolutionary Road, in other words I expect the five other films to continue the tendancy of best picture nominees that are middle brow moderately arty fashionable dramas, rather than representing an increase in diversity across the board. This does open up room for zero to two 'edgy' picks per year, but this is noticeable in even the older years, when unlikely BP nominees such as Adventures of Robin Hood or Wizard of Oz managed to secure a nomination. Most of the time, though, I do not expect to see more films from all genres represented (such as comedy).

In other words, rather than Dark Knight, Pan's Labyrinth, Children of Men or Eternal Sunshine earning nominations you're more likely to have 'eh, more of the same' films like Far From Heaven, Little Children, Into the Wild or Crash nominated. And who would want a film like Crash to win? (oh wait...)

On the other hand, it's entirely possible this will pave the way for no traditional oscar film nominees, as it lowers the barrier in a big way for a niche film to sneak in. consider that you now only need 1/11 plus one vote to secure a best picture nomination. That's a hell of a lot easier when there's 5829 members, works out to 531 number one votes to secure a nomination rather than 973.

Still, I find it hard to believe 531 members of the academy would have put Dark Knight as their number one pick.

There is a possibility this will change voting trends. Most years, I imagine, support coallesces around 4-8 films that are considered realistically frontrunners, most academy members are aware of this and see those films in particular, because these films are more seen they are more likely to be nominated, so it is a self reinforcing cycle. The possibility exists that by lowering the barrier by 400+ votes that the 'crowd wisdom' will no longer provide a set of strong frontrunners. This may mean that only one-three films may make it past 531 votes in the first tier of voting. if so, I think you can only rely on another one-three films per tier of voting in order to secure 531 votes. That makes the third place nomination votes more important than ever and makes the fourth and fifth place nomination votes matter for the first time pretty much ever.

Harvey Weinstein made a career out of getting his films nominated by talking people into giving him number two and number three place nomination slots (rather than trying to persuade a number one placement from them, which many would view with a bit of effrontery), this expansion of ten nominees makes that strategy all the more effective and useful this year than in other years.

What I expect this year, in terms of nominees
5 middle brow Weinstein esque somewhat arty films, like Doubt and Revolutionary Road
1 animated film
3 audience pleasing but artful oscary films (like Slumdog Millionaire, or for this year, Shutter Island)
1 surprise (like City of God, or in this year's case, The Hurt Locker)
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